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Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 9:58 am
by Andante
In post 2717, Save The Dragons wrote:i'm going to start uninviting people from my dragon party if they keep trolling me
Am I still invited to the dragon party?

Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 9:59 am
by Save The Dragons
yes

Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 10:04 am
by Andante
YAAASSSSS

Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 10:24 am
by MathBlade
In post 2724, DkKoba wrote:gj mathblade thx

And thanks for not limming yesiree yall
Thanks Koba and GG everyone!

Sorry I went all paranoia-y

Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 10:27 am
by T3
g-g
Thanks for modding

Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 10:30 am
by MathBlade
Agreed. Thanks for modding!

I think the redirector should probably be changed to be the normal one but that’s not a mod mistake as it’s currently different.

Ideally I would also put in a threshold of power boosts for scum (eg 1-2 extra votes) this can balance if less known people draw scum. Like they just have one to two more shots at the start of the game to assign to people.

Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 10:31 am
by MathBlade
This also allows for scum to have powers and not forced to give to buddies which creates good fake claims.

Especially if they know their buddies will always have powers they can spread stuff out
Like “oh I gave it to So and So (new player) so I could sort them” which is a Townie and scummy thing.

Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 10:43 am
by Raya36
I can definitely forward these ideas on.

Any thoughts on the no pre-game discussion rule? It has to be in place because an honest mass claim would automatically solve the PRs and a dishonest mass claim would really narrow the pool down. But it would be nice if there was a way to make it more lenient so it doesn't fully take away that aspect of the game

Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 10:46 am
by VFP
Thanks Raya for moddiong.

GG town and nice try scum!
So I really wanted to discuss why scum probably had 3 powers but I didn't want to risk breaking the rules or being in a grey area.

Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 10:46 am
by DkKoba
There's always doing it completely random, eliminates both the meta aspect and the claim aspect being able to clear PRs

Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 10:49 am
by MathBlade
In post 2733, VFP wrote:Thanks Raya for moddiong.

GG town and nice try scum!
So I really wanted to discuss why scum probably had 3 powers but I didn't want to risk breaking the rules or being in a grey area.
I asked Raya this too and I think that there needs to be a way to counter this. I was thinking boosts would help. What really would help is maybe a d1 where everyone is vanilla then decide powers and scum get three additional in their pool. And if a player gets more than X shots they die from overflow

Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 10:50 am
by MathBlade
This allows for the charging aspect and the person elimmed on D1 also gets to charge someone

Then claiming can provide input and scum have the flexibility to give it to town or to scum based on how the game is going.

Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 10:51 am
by MathBlade
Plus then you can pick a role based on gamestate. Eg if you think deep wolf then desperado is valuable.
But desperado should also be reversed to prevent everyone just picking desperado then scum outed.

Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 10:53 am
by MathBlade
The number of boosts may need a counter or even better yet

Have each power choice be one of two powers

Eg desperado/rolecop << where you pick one of those two roles.

And rolecop shows the pairing

Ugh I gotta focus on work but I think this setup could be improved a lot while keeping the charge idea

Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 10:57 am
by Flea The Magician
I swear DK was going to have an aneurism in the dead thread xD

In post 2732, Raya36 wrote:I can definitely forward these ideas on.

Any thoughts on the no pre-game discussion rule? It has to be in place because an honest mass claim would automatically solve the PRs and a dishonest mass claim would really narrow the pool down. But it would be nice if there was a way to make it more lenient so it doesn't fully take away that aspect of the game
Keep it, honestly. It's a potential game breaker as people can claim, claim shots, then claim who they charged and fake claimers are done. I would say submitted role could be claimable but that's it.

I did really enjoy this tbh, and I'm glad I in'd for it :D

Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 11:01 am
by Flea The Magician
In post 1, Raya36 wrote:Role assignments:
Spoiler: Order from random.org
mozamis
Dark Magician Girl
NDMath

MiniVirgo (MiniMegabyte + JacksonVirgo)
TheYankeeReaper
Save the Dragons
Green Crayons
NoPowerOverMe
Flea the Magician
Not_Mafia
Artemiana
Lukewarm
flow trap
DkKoba


DkKoba -
Commuter, Not_Mafia
-
0
-
Vanilla

flow trap -
Friendly Neighbor, mozamis
-
1
-
1 shot Friendly Neighbor

Artemiana -
Midnight Desperado, Flea The Magician
-
0
-
Vanilla

MiniVirgo -
Jailkeeper, Flea The Magician
-
0
-
Vanilla

VFP
NoPowerOverMe
-
Friendly Neighbor, Not_Mafia
-
0
-
Vanilla

Dark Magician Girl -
Jailkeeper, mozamis
-
1
-
1 shot Jailkeeper

mozamis -
Tracker, NDMath
-
3
-
3 shot Tracker

Green Crayons -
Friendly Neighbor, Not_Mafia
-
2
-
2 shot Friendly Neighbor
Vanilla

Flea The Magician -
Jailkeeper, mozamis
-
2
-
2 shot Jailkeeper
vanilla

Lukewarm -
Rolecop, Save The Dragons
-
0
-
Vanilla

Yessiree
TheYankeeReaper
-
Tracker, Green Crayons
-
0
-
Vanilla

Not_Mafia -
Midnight Desperado, Green Crayons
-
3
-
3 shot Midnight Desparado

Save The Dragons -
Doctor, flow trap
-
1
-
1 shot Doctor

NDMath -
Watcher, Dark Magician Girl
-
1
-
1 shot Watcher
Question on this, how did 1 shot jailkeeper happen but not 2-shot? :/

Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 11:02 am
by DkKoba
In post 2739, Flea The Magician wrote:I swear DK was going to have an aneurism in the dead thread xD

In post 2732, Raya36 wrote:I can definitely forward these ideas on.

Any thoughts on the no pre-game discussion rule? It has to be in place because an honest mass claim would automatically solve the PRs and a dishonest mass claim would really narrow the pool down. But it would be nice if there was a way to make it more lenient so it doesn't fully take away that aspect of the game
Keep it, honestly. It's a potential game breaker as people can claim, claim shots, then claim who they charged and fake claimers are done. I would say submitted role could be claimable but that's it.

I did really enjoy this tbh, and I'm glad I in'd for it :D[/quote
I did.. i thought once i flipped green theyd be like "huh ok lets see what town dk was talking about" but no. Luckily robert was really just that blatant

Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 11:03 am
by DkKoba
In post 2740, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 1, Raya36 wrote:Role assignments:
Spoiler: Order from random.org
mozamis
Dark Magician Girl
NDMath

MiniVirgo (MiniMegabyte + JacksonVirgo)
TheYankeeReaper
Save the Dragons
Green Crayons
NoPowerOverMe
Flea the Magician
Not_Mafia
Artemiana
Lukewarm
flow trap
DkKoba


DkKoba -
Commuter, Not_Mafia
-
0
-
Vanilla

flow trap -
Friendly Neighbor, mozamis
-
1
-
1 shot Friendly Neighbor

Artemiana -
Midnight Desperado, Flea The Magician
-
0
-
Vanilla

MiniVirgo -
Jailkeeper, Flea The Magician
-
0
-
Vanilla

VFP
NoPowerOverMe
-
Friendly Neighbor, Not_Mafia
-
0
-
Vanilla

Dark Magician Girl -
Jailkeeper, mozamis
-
1
-
1 shot Jailkeeper

mozamis -
Tracker, NDMath
-
3
-
3 shot Tracker

Green Crayons -
Friendly Neighbor, Not_Mafia
-
2
-
2 shot Friendly Neighbor
Vanilla

Flea The Magician -
Jailkeeper, mozamis
-
2
-
2 shot Jailkeeper
vanilla

Lukewarm -
Rolecop, Save The Dragons
-
0
-
Vanilla

Yessiree
TheYankeeReaper
-
Tracker, Green Crayons
-
0
-
Vanilla

Not_Mafia -
Midnight Desperado, Green Crayons
-
3
-
3 shot Midnight Desparado

Save The Dragons -
Doctor, flow trap
-
1
-
1 shot Doctor

NDMath -
Watcher, Dark Magician Girl
-
1
-
1 shot Watcher
Question on this, how did 1 shot jailkeeper happen but not 2-shot? :/
Mod error but it didnt effect anything i see :P

Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 11:05 am
by Flea The Magician
Oh straight up I would've used the shots on completely the wrong people probably but still :P

Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 11:12 am
by Raya36
In post 2733, VFP wrote:Thanks Raya for moddiong.

GG town and nice try scum!
So I really wanted to discuss why scum probably had 3 powers but I didn't want to risk breaking the rules or being in a grey area.
Maybe there needs to be a clearer rule set of what can be discussed instead of just strictly nothing. Strict no claiming of your target or role choice. But setup spec should still be an option

Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 11:13 am
by Raya36
In post 2734, DkKoba wrote:There's always doing it completely random, eliminates both the meta aspect and the claim aspect being able to clear PRs
That's true but I think that takes away some of the fun of it being a upick

Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 11:16 am
by Raya36
[quote="In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12762777]post 2740[/url], Flea The Magician"]Question on this, how did 1 shot jailkeeper happen but not 2-shot? :/[/quote]
If a power role is chosen twice the player with the less shots gets to keep the role and the other becomes vanilla.

"If there are two or more players choosing the same Power Role, the one who gets less Pre-Game Vote gets the PR and the other one remains Vanilla Townie or Mafia Goon."

Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 11:21 am
by Raya36
Idk why I'm struggling so hard with this quote but I give up

Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 11:30 am
by flow trap
Pog I charged scum

Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 11:32 am
by Raya36
don't worry. A lot of people charged scum this game!