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Malakittens, PenguinPower, furtiveglance, Uncrowned, Andresvmb, mastina, jjh927, Dannflor, Klick, Something_Smart, Ydrasse, fireisredsir

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VOTE: fireisredsir

In post 2727, mastina wrote:VOTE: fireisredsir

This is explicitly to tilt fire, but to be more explicit than the emote:
This is not a real vote; it is a placeholder vote while I hunt for the third scum.

fire should never be eliminated while there are two scum left alive, so my vote there is, explicitly, a wagon that should never go through.

But I wanted it as a statement because if the third scum we eliminate isn't a roleblocker of some kind, then my No Result is still fairly damning.

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There's three possibilities for my failed result:
Scum roleblocked me;
Scum used a rolestopper type role on fireisredsir (which they'd only do if fire was one of them);
fireisredsir is ascetic.

If the third scum is a rolestopper type role, then fire is automatically the fourth and final scum.

If the third scum is a role which absolutely shouldn't have holstered N2 to make a kill, then the result is still damning because the implication is that either the last scum is a roleblocker and the scum gave up on a powerful ability N2...
...Or that fire is ascetic and was in fact the one making the kill while his teammates used their useful actions.

So for fire to be town, then EITHER:
The third scum we eliminate MUST be a roleblocker,
The third scum we eliminate MUST have a role they wouldn't use N2,
OR, the scum MUST have given up on a powerful action they wouldn't want to give up on, in order to use a roleblock N2. Titus especially knowing she was likely to go down would want to get a second rolecop result to her team; A roleblocker would need to block me; the third scum would want to use their role; either Titus or that third scum wouldn't be able to.

All of this is to say:
fire is not an elimination I'm making any time soon. Even after the third scum goes down there's a fairly high chance I'm not going to vote for fire after that. But I want it on the record that it's still possible for him to be scum and will constantly be assessing off of the info given.

Anyway, again, tl;dr:
Not actually voting fire to vote for fire, vote was half joke half statement all placeholder; I'm gonna be hunting third scum.

I need to review yesterday, but fire vs. me reveals a lot of players' alignments imo.

Exasperation/frustration/solving/etc. indicates potential town; lack of emotion/response/etc. indicates possible scum.

In post 2729, mastina wrote:

STARTING POINTS:

I need to review yesterday, but fire vs. me reveals a lot of players' alignments imo.

Exasperation/frustration/solving/etc. indicates potential town; lack of emotion/response/etc. indicates possible scum.

TOWN NO MATTER WHAT:

{Ydrasse, Uncrowned} I don't think Ydrasse needs explaining here, and I'm willing to bet Uncrowned is town here, too.

TOWN PRETTY MUCH REGARDLESS:

{jjh927, PenguinPower} PenguinPower's response was town and PP has been town the entire game. jjh isn't quite as surefire, but he's still pretty much out of contention imo.

WHAT'S LEFT AS A STARTING POINT:
Malakittens
furtiveglance

Andresvmb

(basically shouldn't be scum here no matter what, probably is in the above tbh)

{Dannflor, Klick}

(has a maximum of 1 scum between them, could both be town but both have individual sus things)

Something_Smart

(tbh I want Something_Smart to claim because by play he fits as scum)

fireisredsir

(could be fourth scum but again, third scum

needs

to be eliminated first)

Formatting fix'd.

In post 2275, furtiveglance wrote:This game is getting exciting, but also frustrating. I'm at a point where I think I have a broadly correct poe of Dannflor (it should be Dannflor not RC btw Datisi), Malakittens, Something Smart, maybe Titus/Ydrasse, but it's hard to get those votes going. Let's see if we can revive the S_S wagon.
VOTE: Something_Smart

Uh oh.

In post 198, furtiveglance wrote:We shouldn't fire Ydrasse, I think they're an Employee. I'll vote Ircher for now but I might unvote if they come on and explain why they thought 17/4.
VOTE: Ircher

Uh-oh. UH-OH.

...Maybe I had the "right idea, wrong person" with an f name that was deepwolf powertowning?

'Cause initial glance: that ain't a good luck for furtive.
Didn't vote Titus at all, vote on Ircher looks suspect, vote on Titus while claiming to have suspicion on prior day that isn't actually displayed in the votecounts = verrrrrrrrrrrrrrry suspect.

VOTE: furtiveglance

I don't really get furtiveglance being in your pool

(oops accidentally highlighted wrong f name in 2250 and had the formatting fuckup in 2264 but you get the idea--it suspect; I need to investigate things further tho)

oh hm for some reason I've never read #198

In post 2732, Dannflor wrote:I don't really get furtiveglance being in your pool

Well furtive has been town to me for the whole game--but there's two scum left and only so many possible candidates.

I don't remember why I was townreading furtive--maybe I regain that townread, I'm still going along trying to figure it out. I'll keep you updated.

In post 2288, Malakittens wrote:VOTE: titus
i got u lukewarm bby

Mala is possible scum as well here--
Stayed off of the Ircher wagon D1 (I don't expect literally ALL the scum to be on the D1 Ircher wagon); the NKA heavily implicates her; she never voted Titus until yesterday and her Titus read before the vote is...worrying (as in there was basically none).

Her play looks town.

But her stances are...questionable/worrying/etc.

So I can't in good faith remove her from the suspect pool.

In post 2302, fireisredsir wrote:

In post 2297, Dannflor wrote:I would imagine Ausuka is a vig shot

I think she was viably in the miselimination pool and unless scum saw something they thought was a crumb or something I doubt they take that shot

i mean i thought she was scum for what i thought was heavily softing a PR and then later walking it back so it's def possible scum saw the same thing i did
i did figure out eventually that i was misinterpreting but it did really look that way at first to me

^First post of day.

In post 2305, fireisredsir wrote:anyway i think mastina is probably scum but we can go for titus first ig

im slightly concerned about giving scum!mastina what she wants in terms of living to d4 but at this point maybe it's worth it for the chance that she's town

(tl;dr none of them mention me at all--also those posts in of themselves look suspect in the Titus interaction. Just sayin'.)
For the record--these don't look like the posts of a town player who investigated me N2 and saw me not acting.

But again. While there's quite a high chance fire is scum, we gotta eliminate the third scum first to prove he's scum. (IDEALLY with the third scum flipping rolestopper as the hardest of hard condemns for him imo, since just a not-roleblocker isn't a hard guilty. But obviously only way to tell is with said third scum flip.)

In post 2337, furtiveglance wrote:

In post 2331, Ydrasse wrote:i have a role where i can check to see if people have pts(EXCEPT THE MAFIA PT) and join them if they do
titus doesn’t have any pts

dayummmmmmm
I think Titus is lying then
VOTE: Titus

In post 2341, furtiveglance wrote:

In post 2338, Titus wrote:

In post 2331, Ydrasse wrote:i have a role where i can check to see if people have pts(EXCEPT THE MAFIA PT) and join them if they do
titus doesn’t have any pts

I am waiting for the mod. Technically accurate. I had a conditional action to masonize mastina if no one visited her. It resolves last in nar.

I do actually think Mastina will back this, so the smartest thing is to
UNVOTE: Titus

In post 2347, fireisredsir wrote:im going to wait for someone smart to tell me what this means
i don't think titus' claim makes sense tho

(I'm starting to think it might just be furtive + fire, but like: still have 20 pages to view AND THEN cross-reference with players' stances across the game, both flipped scum and the living players ON the flipped scum.)

I don’t understand the NK would be my first reaction to that Night. Lukewarm was obvious Town of course which is what the Scum seem to be hunting, which is odd with just how confirmed Ydrasse is. Like, Ydrasse is guaranteed Town never to be flipped. Unless the Team is suicidal, they’re not going to have a Partner sunk by a different Partner for the Town credibility unless Ydrasse really feels like they can go to the end after that no questions asked.

However, that does tell me that the Scum are not that afraid of PRs to some extent. I need to go back and check what Ydrasse’s PR claim was, but the only reason I would expect the Scum not to really care about Ydrasse still being in the game, is because they have a Roleblocker. Now that’s a bit of a leap, but I’m just surprised by that. They must be afraid of the amount of time and effort Lukewarm was putting into the game (and look, Lukewarm’s analysis around the voting for Roden tells me that they were onto something there, so I respect it).

i mean i can't really get another guilty lol and i was barely engaged

my guilty was the product of the information i received and then me lying a bit but the ruse was a one and done

Alternatively, they’re executing VTs so that they can have the average be lower than 75% and get an additional NK. Actually, that’s probably why.

@Ydrasse, yeah I mean you can’t get a guilty, but you could get some information that might clear someone. Did you end up acting last Night?

yes i did but i don't wanna say what happened rn o:

such a tease

In post 2742, Andresvmb wrote:Alternatively, they’re executing VTs so that they can have the average be lower than 75% and get an additional NK. Actually, that’s probably why.

how would they know Lukewarm was a VT

hmmm

In post 955, fireisredsir wrote:

In post 933, Uncrowned wrote:(stuff)

yes, i do not engage with everyone about every point that i think feels off
sometimes i think it would be useful to do so, like if i could try to better understand a thought process or clarify a point or if i think asking about it could help me sort them in some way or if i want to pressure or if i want other people to look at the things im pointing out
sometimes none of those really apply

id rather just let you do your thing for now and watch and see if i still feel that way after more things have happened

For the record,
1: Reading fire's iso looks heavily buddy with Titus + Ircher. AFTER Ircher was pretty much dead in the water, he voted Titus--that was a vote that the scum knew had no chance of going through. His vote on Titus couldn't possibly have put Titus in danger. So it looks like positioning for the future, something to look good and plant the idea that fire isn't scum with Titus.

But anyway, I digress. While I think fire's iso is HEAVILY scum (especially if furtive is also scum),

2: I was looking to see if fire had 'crumbed at all. This is the first possible 'crumb I can see...and it's not suggesting targeting me; it's not hinting at a weaker role either.

In post 1031, fireisredsir wrote:it might have only been 2 kills. BBT just seems really weird as a kill to me based on their lack of content, unless they're known to be a good player who just hadnt turned it on yet? i don't know them enough to know if that makes sense as a fearkill
i really would hope that nobody would spend enough productivity points to n1 hero shot vig but i also wouldn't be that surprised
nero and peta kills both make sense as NKs tho

Putting this outside the spoiler as well because this looks like TMI. Vivax hadn't claimed the vig shot at that point, so how did he know? Why did Nero make sense? peta, sure, but why Nero?

ANYWAY I digress again. STILL no hint at having investigated me. In fact there's something rather peculiar.

In post 1043, fireisredsir wrote:

In post 1040, Andresvmb wrote:I would game that there’s one Scum in {Vivax, PenguinPower}.

And mastina not dying is both expected and not a good sign

.

why do you think penguin

Why did he reply to this and not mention the mastina part of the post at all when he allegedly investigated me and had a result?

In post 1118, fireisredsir wrote:we had such a lovely d1 can we please PLEASE not do the thing where we quote our own posts for emphasis

This was his next mention of me. It's not obvious in iso, but . I was the one quoting my post for emphasis, so this is a post in reference to me. Nothing.

(Side-note, but the early vote on Titus, but then the pivot away also reeks of scum. Just sayin'. BUT I DIGRESS AGAIN.)

The indicating ANY hint of MAYBE having investigated me is this:

In post 1405, fireisredsir wrote:also i guess i should say that i don't really trust mastina at all, not super interested in sheeping reads there
roden seems alright so far. the claim has a couple weird things about it but i think that it could come from town.

i don't really want to get into that discussion too much yet due to reasons

, but the play outside of that seems maybe a little scummy
ig the main reason i don't want to vote there is bc of mastina, but maybe that's dumb, idk

What were the hinted-at reasons here? Those hint at a result on , not a result on me.
How would a result on me having visited nobody indicated that Roden's claim was weird but coming from town?
There's no correlation here at all.
This doesn't read like someone with a result on me; this reads as someone with a result on Roden.

Anyway, I think that's all the productivity I can get FOR NOW on the fire dive, but just sayin':

In post 1435, fireisredsir wrote:furtive never said he didn't believe you were busier? he said that he scumread the posting that you did have

I do see the furtive-fire scumteam.

In post 2746, Dannflor wrote:

In post 2742, Andresvmb wrote:Alternatively, they’re executing VTs so that they can have the average be lower than 75% and get an additional NK. Actually, that’s probably why.

how would they know Lukewarm was a VT

Probably an educated guess?