In post 2722, unwnd wrote:If you write a post dedicated to why you think I'm scum I will do my best to respond
In post 2316, mastina wrote: In post 2255, unwnd wrote:So in your head is mastina like this scum ringleader and the defenders are associated? I don't know if I can exactly see that, because it begs the question what happens if mastina goes over? All her defenders would be incriminated
(Btw I think it bears mentioning: everything unwnd is saying pretty much looks town, but I don't think it's actually town. I'm not convinced it's town, so much as I think that nothing unwnd has said so far is truly alignment-indicative one way or another.)
You were trying to look town without actually being town. (I believe the buzzword for this the kids use these days is LAMIST.)
In post 2321, mastina wrote: In post 2277, unwnd wrote:I think the only way out of limbo is to look towards the future
For the record, I think that unwnd has a pretty good chance of being scum here. (See also
2320 +
2319.)
The reasoning is either lazy-town or scum, but the reason I think scum over lazy town is, explicitly, because I don't believe that unwnd even as a replacement takes the lazy-town route.
I want to reiterate,
In post 2320, mastina wrote: In post 2319, mastina wrote:The town is fully capable of changing the gamestate on their own. Fights with me be damned. Those are not the death-spirals those who want to push mastina votes are pretending they are.
That is all lazy reasoning and explicitly, a breeding room for scum to hide because "voting mastina for the health of the game thread" is not stating an alignment read on me. It is not trying to resolve me. It is not trying to sort me.
The actual fact of the matter is that with the extra time granted by the frozen deadline and the benefit of said time and distance, there was a
surge
of productivity in the game.
There is a fairly young Radical Rat wagon there, less than 48 hours old, that has had a chance to form/develop--which these voices going back to the "mastina and the toxic gamestate" viewpoint are
actively shutting down
.
The narrative of mastina-is-hurting-the-town was, probably (if I am being at my most self-critical), true--
at a time
.
It's not anymore, and pretending it is is, explicitly: not updating arguments to reflect the new gamestate.
These parts bear particular reiterating.
The gamestate did NOT stall.
The conclusions did NOT become inevitable.
The game did NOT circle back into the same.
The situation HAS changed, and evolved.
The narrative that the game is still the same as it was a week or two ago is, explicitly, not reflective of reality.
And the reason why
2277 is so scum is specifically BECAUSE of how lazy it is. It is an "easy" stance to take, that has zero consequences to it.
Tell me: what consequences are there to saying "eliminating mastina moves the gamestate forward"?
What is the downside of someone saying that?
It is something they can defend as "objectively true", as a genuine belief. It is something that many players have stated. It is something that has been repeated multiple times by multiple people.
So WHAT, I may ask, makes that a stance that is anything other than pure laziness?
It's lazy, in a scum-indicative way, specifically because unwnd is not a lazy town player. To say that my death helps the gamestate without an attempt to sort my alignment in good faith (engaging with RR who scumread me is not engaging in good faith btw), is in no way shape or form something that carries any negative repercussions.
There's no need to backtrack after my elimination. There's no need to take a stance that needs defending. There's no need to take a stance controversial. It is something that allows for a vote that anyone can cast. It is not, innately, inherently, a scum perspective, but regardless of alignment it is a
lazy
take. I'll reiterate this as well:
In post 2709, mastina wrote:The only one with a fleshed out scumread on me is MathBlade.
The only three with nuanced scumreads on me are MathBlade, professotic, and T-Bone.
But nobody has
valid
reasons, and every. other. vote. on me has been lazy, with many of the lazy reasons being outright invalid, and every one of the lazy reads not being fleshed out and lacking nuance to the thought process.
Because while not everyone who voting me is scum, everyone who is voting me IS lazy.
You do not have a reason for scumreading me, unwnd. You have a reason for
voting
me--but it lacks the nuances and fleshed out nature of MathBlade, T-Bone, and professotic. (There's a damn good reason those are the only three consistently voting me that I have a townread on.)
In post 2345, mastina wrote:I am however obligated to hunt scum and think your attitude/approach this game is you as one!
Your attitude/approach this game is, explicitly, lazy and uncreative.
You have no unique/original takes as a replacement in this game.
You have added nothing of note.
You have avoided taking stronger stances on most players.
You have avoided giving
reasons
for your reads on most players.
You have been giving the bare minimum, pretending to say a lot yet saying very little.
Which, yes, I know, ironic for me to be accusing you of it given my own issues.
But while it may be ironic and technically hypocritical--YOU do not have the same tendencies/history/style/justifications/etc. that I do.
I am still doing a lot. I'm saying a lot which could be said with far less, but it'd be disingenous as fuck to say I've said very little.
But for you, not so much. You are genuinely using a lot of words that form empty reasonless stances. You're accusing me of something you yourself are guilty of. If you think it's scum for me, then what does that say of YOU?
In post 2700, mastina wrote: In post 2349, unwnd wrote:Yet you're still being apprehensive towards despite an olive branch
I don't understand
You have extended no olive branch. You've said a lot of words that amount to very little, used very lazy logic to hop onto my wagon, and have given little in the way of actual commitment in reads with solid reasons.
All from a slot I already thought was scum.
Your play solidified the scumread I already had.
And for Radja, it was
In post 371, mastina wrote: In post 315, Radja wrote:I've been keeping up on my phone, but the amount of players and hydra heads in this game make it hard for me to get much reads really.
This has a fairly good chance of being scum.
keeping up with nothing to say while doing scumplaining.
And on top of it all?
{Radja, Radical Rat} have had scumteam-indicative interactions the whole game, with you and your RR defense doubling down on those same interactions.
