[start of STD response]
STD wrote:2. The last roleclaim
If anyone holds any weight on this, I will smack them. I have a little something called school on the west coast, and I get out really late anyway, and so by the time I'm out it's dinner time on the east coast. Besides, I could have just as easily picked...well...I really don't know, but I'd probably do it a lot simpler than "I investigate dead people."
You can say that you could have picked something simpler all you want, but that still doesn't justify anything. You have mentioned it yourself, WIFOM, I am not even going to take this point seriously.
STD wrote:Silgado106 wrote:As I see it, there's only four possibilities as to scum pairs:
1) Dirge and Shelper
2) Dirge and STD
3) STD and Shelper
4) STD and Dirge
wtf?
Haha, you can tell I was doing that part in a hurry. I had the three names written down in a piece of paper, and I just paired them up with the other two, obviously not realizing that they only make 3 possibilities, not 4. Excuse my error ::oops::
STD wrote:Hmmmm...interesting. Evil wenches I think means bitchy girls in pirate times but I dunno for sure. It could mean any evil person...I dunno for sure the definition of wench. Anyway...I think that part is grasping straws, but...the B_K thing...I think you got something.
I don't think you understood what I said. First of all, I know what he meant by "evil wenches". That was Shelper after he came back and Big K wasn't replacing him anymore. How am I grasping straws only at what Shelper said, but not at what Big K said... and if I have something with the Big K thing, then why do you say this afterwards?
STD wrote:He's hypothesizing. I find it very suspicious you pick up on those words and ignore the context of the phrase. My spanish 200 teacher would kill you (because she said "context of the sentance" a lot). Then again, I have no doubt you could translate the sentance in spanish forward and backwards, so she probably wouldn't. I digress. Digress is pretty wierd if you say it like that. It's like, "LOOK AT ME! I'M DIGRESSING!"
Sorry. I'll stop now.
So I first have something, but then I am suspicious because I picked up on "those words"....
1. Shelper. He's been very defensive; etc. I don't think I need to get into this.
Well yeah I would like you to get into this, because I not only see him being defensive. I see you, dirge and even myself being defensive. Is that all you really have against him? Seems rather weak to be your top choice.
2. Should I go with the doc who refuses to die or mr. aggressive?
I'm liking Dirge, because he's playing hard, and he's hiding behind me, picking who I'm picking, etc...
[sarcasm]Yes, every night when I am about to get killed, I beg and plea and refuse to let those scumbags kill me. It works, you should try it.[/sarcasm]
Anyway, yes Dirge is playing hard, he has been playing hard since the very beginning of this game, remember the Dirge/Thoth thing? Remember the Dirge/Me thing? But wait a sec, the first Dirge (the one in Dirge/Thoth) was actually a cop. Ummm. I think that rules out your "playing hard". And is he really hiding behind you? Or just relying on you? And vice versa? Because I do remember, in some of the points I wrote, that you were the one that actually followed him. Ummm. I think that rules out your second point against Dirge. So now really, what is the real reason you think Dirge is scum?
Because if Dirge is scum, it doesn't make sense for him to go so heavily after shelper...so probably only one of them are scum.
So there's shelper, Dirge, Sligado, and the Vig that we've pledged as truthful. I'm not saying I'm disbelieving his role claim, but I think it's possible Thoth was a vig and Massive is Maf.
But I'm going to put Massive aside for now, because I do believe him, and all the situations I can think of in my mushed up brain don't add up to him mafia.
But I'd say Dirge, and I have more in my very last point:
Exactly, it wouldn't really make sense if the scum would go against scum this late in the game, it would make them lose one partner, making it way harder for them to win, when all they have to do is make an innocent sound like scum, get him lynched, and win the game.
It is true that Massive could be Mafia if Thoth was actually a vig. But would he really be preparing himself for his roleclaim, ever since Thoth died?? He kept repeating over and over that Thoth was a SK, he even said I was suspicious because I refused to believe that Thoth was a Vig. It sounds to me like he (Massive) has been a Vig throughout the whole game. And if he isn't, then he was EXTREMELY smart by preparing for such a role claim, not even knowing how things would turn out later on in the game.
So then, going by your own suspicions here, if Dirge and Shelper aren't scum together, Massive is not scum, and I know I am not, that can only mean that the scum couple is... yourself and Dirge.
2. At first, Silgado was winning with waiting for the result is what anyone would have done.
Then Dirge rebounds, making his point that Shelper had extra time to attack me.
Of course, you couldn't finish off your defensive post with a little hint of making Shelper suspicious.
[End of STD response]
[Start of Dirge response]
My assumption was based on what I observed when silgado described how he picked who to protect. This is where I alluded to my "inkling".
Please, do not say you alluded to your "inkling" because you never did such a thing in your original post. You took your assumptions about my post to try to build something against Shelper, but you really had nothing, as my post contained no such Suspicious List.
And yes, I know what passage you were referring to, there was no other post you could have drawn up conclusion from like you did. Please tell me where in that post it says that Shelper is not in my suspicious list and where it says that STD is my suspicious list. Can't you just admit that you made a big assumption, and there's really nothing there in my post, yet you picked it apart to try to convince me that Shelper was using it to force me to vote against STD?
I think that was your goal with you original post. You were hoping that I would agree with you, since Shelper was forcing me to vote against STD, and then start looking at Shelper rather than you and STD, and I would eventually vote for Shelper, while STD comes on and votes for Shelper as well.
[End of Dirge response]
[Start of Shelper response]
Yes Shelper, although STD and Dirge are my top two, you could very well still be mafia and I am still looking at you as well.
1. Dirge the second. For his almost continual attack on me.
2. Save the Dragons. Fishy roleclaim, and a gut.
Well yeah, Dirge is attacking you... now. Before this, he wasn't really attacking you. What were your suspicions on him BEFORE he was attacking you?
I do agree sort of with the fishy roleclaim, but let's not use role claims to pick our suspects, as mentioned by Massive. So is there anything else you have on STD?
I didn't latch on to anything, i saw STD post a role i didn't buy and responded to it. Because i posted it after a player who was also suspicious of it automatically makes me latching?
I never said I was suspicious of his role. In fact I said that it sounded believable. Don't go around putting words in my mouth.
[End of Shelper response]
Sorry, I promise this will be my last looooong post, it is just too much stuff to point out! I think I will now wait until Massive posts, I would love to hear what he has to say after re-reading the thread. Maybe he picked up better things than I did. Also Dirge, you never pointed out your top two, did you skim through my post yet again?