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Post Post #275 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2009 12:54 pm

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I have a question.... have you always "processed" in every one of your games? Just recently? Just this game?

I ask because I can't search for all of your postings.
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Post Post #276 (ISO) » Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:38 am

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@Kise-
Kise wrote:I'm not realizing any kind of mistake
I can see your anti-town attitude here as just stubbornness. I can also see it as scummy. In either event, I'm assuming that you are not a townie who is intentionally being inconsistent; maybe you're scum and/or maybe it just comes naturally.
Kise wrote:Another reason why a quasi-cop would be a likely night target.
Vaya is not a quasi-cop. Your statement contradicts the rest of your post in context. You only make sense if we assume you made a mistake and thought Vaya was able and/or required to be alive to convey his power.
This could be a scumslip where Kise reveals his motivation for killing Vaya (he misunderstood Vaya's power).
Kise wrote:So you're saying scum would try to guess who Vaya passed her ability onto, rather than kill her then & there so she couldn't continue to convey her power to someone?
You are mistaken. Vaya never claimed any requirement to be alive in order to "continue to convey her power". Vaya claimed that even if he died, the spirit particle scanner would continue to the target. Vaya claimed that other people could pass the spirit particle scanner or use it if they have sufficient PL.
At this point it is plausible that you are a townie making a mistake; nothing inherently wrong with that.

Kise wrote:@Konowa - Yeah, it was 1-shot. The scanner could be passed around like a hot potato though until it fell in the hands of either a Lt. rank or scum.
This (and the rest of the post) sound like scum trying too hard to appear as a townie. Everyone, except for yourself, who has commented on Vaya's power has understood this. That explanation is fluff. You screwed up your interpretation previously. Be a good townie and admit it. Stubbornly acting as though you did not make a mistake is anti-town. The possibility that your previous posts reveal your scum motivations for killing a player who normally would not be a top scum choice tips this over the neutral line and marks it as scummy.

-Also, please don't fish. Also, Vaya lists himself as male, not female.
OK, who have you looked at?
I've looked at everyone. Some people haven't said anything worth responding to.

I'll probably do a full summary of thoughts on each player sometime soon. I'm not liking how you tried to get the entire town to tunnel on one player and actually had the audacity to suggest we stop looking at other players.

Right now, I'm disliking Kise and Malthusis. Lynching either of them would be good for today.
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Post Post #277 (ISO) » Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:38 am

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Kise wrote:I am so horny for this lynch, it's not even funny.

Does anyone feel that another player needs to be looked into?
That last line... does that suggest that I want everyone to tunnel malthusis & stop looking at other players?

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Blatantly tried to detract from all the attention on malthusis, and now trying to bus him by saying you're comfortable with lynching him (and me).

Vaya was a quasi-cop/cop-enabler. Even if he wasn't able to use that ability himself, he could still pass it to someone and they'd know for sure that Vaya was telling the truth. Therefore, Vaya was not going to die via lynch. So, again, I don't see how you can be surprised that Vaya got NK'd unless you're scum trying to disguise your motive, which is what I'm leaning toward.
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Post Post #278 (ISO) » Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:55 am

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@Kise-
-You're blatantly lying. I haven't posted anything at all to detract from a Malthusis lynch nor suddenly changed anything to bussing him. How about actually reading and responding to posts that were actually made instead of OMGUSing and making up crap? (if you are scum, then by all means continue living in your fantasy world and making up stuff).

-You're stubborn insistence on maintaining your crap-logic position about Vaya's ability is anti-town and scummy. Vaya is NOT a quasi-cop. Vaya IS a cop-enabler. They are NOT the same thing. Vaya could and would pass his item; after that he becomes confirmed town for whoever he passed the item to and nigh confirmed town for everyone else. He also becomes confirmed vanilla to any scum and as such is a much lower priority target than other players.

After I pointed out your mistake, you have changed your position that scum would kill Vaya to remove the ability for future people to use the scanner. You now insist that you made no mistake. This is super scummy.
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Post Post #279 (ISO) » Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:22 pm

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Ahem...
Kise wrote:
Kise wrote:I am so horny for this lynch, it's not even funny.

Does anyone feel that another player needs to be looked into?
That last line... does that suggest that I want everyone to tunnel malthusis & stop looking at other players?
Well, does it?Image
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Post Post #280 (ISO) » Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:50 pm

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@Kise-
Yes, it does. Reading comprehension ftw. You directly state that you want Malthusis lynched and indirectly state that the need to lynch Malthusis is so strong that there is nobody else who needs to be looked into.
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Post Post #281 (ISO) » Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:51 pm

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Btw- seeking the town's approval for your scummy suggestions does not make them any less scummy.
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Post Post #282 (ISO) » Sun Aug 16, 2009 4:53 pm

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A response to this:
Evidence #2: Illogical Cases

In malthusis' isolated post 8-9 he seems to push the idea that Mastin's speculation is scummy, which I do not hold the same view as. He seems to use it as a major reason why he supports a Mastin lynch. I really think that Mastin is town, therefore seeing malthusis attack him using Mastins' attempt at speculation as a main reason to suspect Mastin seems very suspicious to me. I realize that Mastin's speculation is wrong, but I don't think it's scummy. In his very next post, he attacks me, a person that is "defending" Mastin. I don't think I was defending him, per se, I was just expressing my belief that there was nothing wrong with set up speculation.
ZEEnon wrote:
To begin with, I see nothing wrong with Mastin's set up speculation.
If someone attempts to push the belief that we are dealing with anti-town forces that the moderator has specifically told us isn't in the set up, THEN I would be concerned. I see malthusis' suspicions of me right after I defended Mastin extremely scummy, however I was more pre-occupied with PhilyEc, who I was very sure was scum.
First off, why is me asking the reasons behind your actions scummy? You framed your #2 question to make me look like the bad guy, yet if you look at my post....
All he's done this game is speculate meaninglessly about setup (even less useful then Mastin's), defend Mastin, and attack GlaDOs with very little supporting his main idea, which isn't that strong to start with (He's playing differently then last game). He's also lurked quite a bit and done no scumhunting besides the GlaDOs idea. Even though he's on a vacation,
I'd like him to hopefully provide what his major suspicions are when he comes back and explain more about his GlaDOs
suspicion.
I ask you try to explain why you are doing this. Your #3 point showed that I had a slight nagging suspicion that Mastin may be town, and by asking you what your reason for supporting him is and I thought if I looked at it from your point of view, I might be able to change my opinion that Mastin is scummy (or reinforce it further).
You yourself are questioning the reasons I've done lots of my actions, why do you think you should not be open to criticism of yours? Now that you've reminded me about that, I still haven't got answers about those things yet. Could you please give me answers to them?

Also, this brings up another point. If you label me as scummy due to certain reasons, you yourself should be able to be tested by those reasons as well. For example, here you say:
malthusis wrote:
I did have a slight feeling that Mastin could be town, but I still felt he shouldn't have been left off the hook for all the things he's done. Also, he was the scummiest player I saw at the time. I felt confident my vote since he was the scummiest at the time.
Even though you felt he could be town, you thought that he shouldn't be left off the hook?
When scumhunting, I tend to balance the good and bad of each player.
You, however, seem to be focusing on only the negative aspects of Mastin's play.
You seem to be focusing on all my bad points, and I at least hoped to try to prove Mastin to be town. I still can't prove anything or clear anything about Mastin if he isn't here (and I've been waiting for a while, and seems a lot like site-wide V/LA) and it's hard to question someone if he isn't here to be questioned. As such, I will
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till he comes back.
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Post Post #283 (ISO) » Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:29 am

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Kast wrote:@Kise-
Yes, it does. Reading comprehension ftw. You directly state that you want Malthusis lynched and indirectly state that the need to lynch Malthusis is so strong that there is nobody else who needs to be looked into.
Uh huh.... well, you say you're comfortable with either voting malt' or me. What are you waiting on?
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Post Post #284 (ISO) » Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:07 am

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I'm starting to get back into the swing of things ish. Not having search capabilities really hampers my games more than I thought they would.

So, lets get on the train:

@Konowa:

I'm seeing a lot of questions today. Not a lot of stances. A whole grip of information has been parsed towards you and you haven't really SAID anything about it.

@Zeenon:
SpyreX, can you please explain what you meant by this? I don't understand.
Apathy or lurking or whathave you made it appear REALLY clear at that point we were going to end up no lynching. Which is terrible and no way in hell were all of the non-players totally absent. Maybe when the search powers come back I can do a proper parse of that timeframe but I all but guarantee we'll find us a lurker scum there.

I'm seeing the case but not feelin the vibe on Malt. I, insert shock and or awe, still find Mastin to be scummier AND I would still rather lynch Gorrad over Malth.
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Post Post #285 (ISO) » Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:32 pm

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I've recently been inundated with important familial responsibilities, to the point where I've got about five minutes on a computer per day for a while. And my blackberry is probably the worst platform ever invented for doing a proper votecount. Sorry about this inattentive modding, when I get a chance to really look into things a deadline extension may be granted for today.


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6 to lynch

malthusis: 2 (Konowa, ZEEnon)
Mastin: 2 (SpyreX, malthusis)
Kise: 1 (Gorrad)
Kast: 1 (Kise)

Not Voting: 4 (Kast, Kmd4390, GLaDOS, Mastin)
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Post Post #286 (ISO) » Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:14 pm

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@Mod-

I'm pretty sure Kise's vote for me was just a symbolic gesture. Also, he said it was for tomorrow.


@Kise-
-I'll be happy with either one of your lynches today. I'll vote when I'm ready, which will probably be after I go over everyone again and organize my thoughts on each player. We've got more than a week to go and possibly a deadline extension so there's really no rush.

-Do you think that dropping and ignoring your scummy behavior makes it not scummy anymore?
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Post Post #287 (ISO) » Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:20 pm

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Mmmmmmmmmmmm

I'm smelling the same familiar apathy that led to the last twirling.

It smells so good. That must be why everyone is smelling it and, ya know, not posting the words in this game.
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Post Post #288 (ISO) » Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:22 am

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… Processing …

I still have very scant internet access, but I will do my best to keep up from here on out. I am currently posting between classes. However, please note that I doubt I will have internet access over this weekend.

1.)
After a quick read through, I find that I do not agree with all the reasons ZEEnon lists for voting malthusis in Post 258.

Put shortly: I don’t think malthusis was role-fishing with a scummy intent; I think it is reasonable to believe set-up speculation is scummy; and I think many players find themselves having to vote people at deadlines solely to avoid a No Lynch (which ZEEnon seems to imply is fence-sitting; i.e. “I will vote Vaya if pressed”).

However, I
do
agree that malthusis is scummy for “Evidence #3,” where he is “extremely confident” in his vote on somebody he has a nagging suspicion is town.

I felt his “you know you guys lynched Vaya, right?” comment was off-putting, although I am inclined to believe he
honestly
thought Vaya was lynched, for whatever reason. It just seems unlikely that anybody would
knowingly
represent there was a lynch when double-checking that claim was so simple to do. What bothers me is that the post seems somehow
smug
and an attempt to cut off conversation (i.e. it reads as: “looks like we’re at night, no point in anybody posting”).

I will need to give malthusis another read, I think. At first I thought the case on him looked very solid, and now I am finding it less appealing.

2.)
Kise, in my last game I also did a good of “processing”; that was the first installment of Bleach.

3.)
I think the Kast-Kise argument is about as clear as it is going to get. I think Kise misunderstood Vaya’s claim, and based on that misunderstanding Kise and Kast seem to be talking past each other, which is not something I particularly care to read any longer.

I think whether scum would "save" a Vaya-kill for a later time (as Kast suggests) is unimportant and too theoretical: what matters is that Kast agrees that Vaya was a likely kill-target
at some point
in the game in the event he could prove his ability.

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Post Post #289 (ISO) » Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:30 am

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Will address this game tonight. Really having a hard time getting into this game.
How many people long for that "past, simpler, and better world," I wonder,
without ever recognizing the truth that perhaps it was they who were simpler and better,
and not the world about them?
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Post Post #290 (ISO) » Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:36 pm

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I do believe a Mastin prod is in order. KMD is crushed for time, I know.

Unvote; Vote: malthusis


Could've sworn I didn't vote Kast
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Post Post #291 (ISO) » Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:13 pm

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@Konowa:

Here's one to help you get in the grove. Early on you made some statements I asked to be cleared up. Please clear them up.

Thanks,

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Post Post #292 (ISO) » Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:31 pm

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Not having much time to catch up.

For now I'll
Vote: Malthusis
. I'll probably have a bit of time on Sunday to catch up.

In the event that we don't get an extension, Malthusis should consider claiming.
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Post Post #293 (ISO) » Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:11 am

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@Mod - V/LA until tomorrow evening/Sunday morning
How many people long for that "past, simpler, and better world," I wonder,
without ever recognizing the truth that perhaps it was they who were simpler and better,
and not the world about them?
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Post Post #294 (ISO) » Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:33 am

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Yea that's different than what's been going on here.

Its TWELVE pages. Why in the name of everything are we playing catchup?
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Post Post #295 (ISO) » Fri Aug 21, 2009 10:16 am

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Probably town:
Whoever injured malth
Gorrad
Kise
Mastin
GLaDOS
Spy
Konowa

Probably scum:
Whoever injured Konowa
Malth
Kast
ZEE
Malth

1 of my 4 specific names, I expect to be wrong about simply because I named 4 and expect there to be 3.

Vote malthusis
for having more votes than any of my other suspects. He answered my questions properly, but the last person I unvoted for that turned out to be SK (see Drench in Robot Chicken). I still trust my gut.

FTR, I do still want to be injured. I was upset to find myself uninjured when Day started.
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Post Post #296 (ISO) » Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:08 pm

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Back from V/LA.
Konowa wrote:I am not digging the Kise vote.

Gorrad, can you explain the difference between Kise saying that he is waiting for someone to comment on the night-kill and both Kast and malthusis saying that the Vaya NK was an odd choice.
[quote="Kast"-I don't think it's pro-town or beneficial to ask players to speculate on who specifically (by name) might have targeted Konowa or Malthusis. Asking townies to comment on this (generally) also makes it much easier for scum to determine which townie(s) have abilities relating to injuries.[/quote]

This basically sums it up. Asking people to comment on the night kill is fishing to the extreme.

In other news, ZEE? That post is honestly the best I've /EVER/ seen you play. I am thoroughly impressed.
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Post Post #297 (ISO) » Fri Aug 21, 2009 3:05 pm

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Ohh you are kidding me.

You just threw down the hammer vote after the worlds biggest V/LA and we didn't even get a claim.

Awesome.
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Post Post #298 (ISO) » Fri Aug 21, 2009 3:54 pm

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Why the hell did you do that Gorrad? I didn't even get to claim.......

Well, I'll claim right now, I guess.....

I am Hiyosu, a researcher. I am a shinigami who has an invention just like Vaya did (which is why I believed her). It is an invention that allows you to watch someone, and it has no limitations other then I myself cannot use it. I have not given it to anyone yet, thinking myself safe for one more day so I could pick my target with better accuracy.

I think Kise is scum (for sneaking through this game) and Zeenon, who lurked and then pounced on my case as soon as opportunistic scum.

Good luck town.......
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Post Post #299 (ISO) » Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:11 pm

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Hmm... what's stopping us all from massclaiming? Seems like an easy way for town to win.
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