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Post Post #275 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:52 am

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DraketheFake wrote:
Sigma, Post 225 wrote:I still think fuzzylightning is scum.
Sigma, Post 229 wrote:Seriously, though, I think it's not a coincidence that fuzzy sat for ages with fishy's vote and my vote, and when we switched to snow_bunny, we got her lynched relatively quickly.

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I don't care if it's LyLo or not after this dead period.
So, your claim is that Sigma and I are scum together, and that Sigma went from bussing me - hard - at the beginning of the day to lying about roleblocking you in order to secure a not-even-game-ending lynch of a cop that he could continue to roleblock ad infinitum?

Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
It does make sense, fuzzy was a fairly useless partner and he was replaced by someone who is willing and able to defend himself, that's a perfect time to drop a bus especially if you only need to mislynch a townie to win. Why are you implying we have a mislynch left today? That seems rather bold given the fact we haven't a single scum flip and we're down to 6. Seeing all the PRs the town has had there's no way this isn't LYLO two scum in this set-up would be terribly unfair and you should know that.
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Post Post #276 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:39 am

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My channel is HBO, my show is Curb Your Enthusiasm, A comedy show that is nothing special. I am vanilla and my channel switches if someone targets me with a night action. I have yet to be notified of my role switching, BTW.

Sigma's counterclaim was the last thing I expected to happen after seeing Shotty's guilty claim, so my first instinct is to believe it, but I have some trepidations.

Why did you roleblock shotty if you thought Fuzzy was more likely scum Sigma? that doesn't make sense. Wouldn't logical pro-town roleblocker play here to be to block whoever you think is most likely scum in order to try and stop a NK?

Also, I notice that Drake never claimed a switch condition... Neither did dahil actually.

As I have said before, I would be shocked to see only two scums, considering how the nature of the game is such that pretty much every pro-town role has the ability to be power. Two scum, not matter what their power is, seems incredibly unbalanced from my perspective.

Shotty raises a good point about how fuzzy is a pretty obvious scum-bus target. But he himself could be bussing fuzzy as well... and if shotty IS scum, and there are three scum, then his only two possible scum partners (to me, I guess) are dahil and drake.

If shotty is telling the truth then the scum team is {drake, dahil, and Sigma}

Either way, drake and dahil seem to have to be scum, or I am completely wrong and the setup does only have 2 scum...

If I follow this logic, I should vote for either dahil or drake as they are scum no matter what. I must think some more before I do.
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Post Post #277 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:17 am

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Shotty and Drake cannot be in a group together. It makes no sense whatsoever.
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Post Post #278 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:34 am

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My role switches when I successfully switch two other people's roles. I have not received confirmation from the Mod that I've successfully switched anybody's role. Shotty indicated that nothing happened to him, but then he's claiming a guilty on me.

Socrates brings up a good point about Sigma's block. What was your logic, Sigma?

If there's 3 scum in the game right now, the town realizes that it won't be able to lynch scum, right? Everybody who thinks there's 3 scum in the game should unvote immediately because the only players who can be lynched are townies, whereupon we lose.
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Post Post #279 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:42 am

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Drake brings up a good point. If there are indeed 3 scum then today will accomplish nothing because scum can control the vote.

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Looks like Gorrad is gonna have to vig correctly tonight and our (alleged) blocker will have to block the killer.
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Post Post #280 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:57 am

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dahill1 wrote:Looks like Gorrad is gonna have to vig correctly tonight and our (alleged) blocker will have to block the killer.
Except that he's no longer a blocker, of course.

Also: If we do run up scum, then one of three things happens. 1. There turn out to only be 2 scum and we get a lynch. 2. The 3 scum hold steady, out themselves, and between Gorrad and the other claimed potentially useful roles we have a shot of finding a block. 3. One of the scum caves and hammers. The trick is to be right, not to give up.
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Post Post #281 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:10 pm

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Busy at work this week, guys, so don't expect much during work hours EST for the rest of the week.
Gorrad wrote:Shotty and Drake cannot be in a group together. It makes no sense whatsoever.
I disagree, but we can argue about this tomorrow (if we get there.)
Drake wrote:Socrates brings up a good point about Sigma's block. What was your logic, Sigma?
Fuzzy was less likely to make the kill given that he was more generally suspicious compared to the group, so I went with someone who I found slightly scummy.
drake wrote:Except that he's no longer a blocker, of course.

Also: If we do run up scum, then one of three things happens. 1. There turn out to only be 2 scum and we get a lynch. 2. The 3 scum hold steady, out themselves, and between Gorrad and the other claimed potentially useful roles we have a shot of finding a block. 3. One of the scum caves and hammers. The trick is to be right, not to give up
Two excellent points; I can no longer block because my role switched to VT, and we should still try and vote out the scum. The scum can block us if there's 3, but at the cost of outing themselves.

@Drake: There's no reason for you not to be voting Shotty with him claiming a guilty on you. We can talk about this lynch some more, but no one should vote before Drake does.
shotty wrote:It does make sense, fuzzy was a fairly useless partner and he was replaced by someone who is willing and able to defend himself, that's a perfect time to drop a bus especially if you only need to mislynch a townie to win.
If hypo me-scum wanted to lynch you, I could have just fakeclaimed a guilty cop investigation against you at the beginning of the day. What really happened is that you did the one thing that would cause me to change my vote: claiming a successful night action after I roleblocked you.
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Post Post #282 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:42 pm

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Drake's point is logical, thanks for pointing that one out. Sigma should've been briefed on that one though Drake, he's making you both look bad with his insistence to vote.

@sigma: Right because hypothetical speculations are OBVIOUSLY WIFOM proof and are good reasoning, the fact that you even try to use this is pretty sad.

@Gorrad: Hrmm, are you sure I couldn't be insane and still have a miller in the game...? As far as I understand I would just receive an innocent on a miller since I would get flipflopped results.
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Post Post #283 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2009 6:03 pm

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Drake's point is logical, thanks for pointing that one out. Sigma should've been briefed on that one though Drake, he's making you both look bad with his insistence to vote.
lawl. I know you're scum, so I'm voting you. You claimed a guilty on drake, so he knows you're scum (whether he's scum or town.) So he should be voting you now, too. Your unvote is explained by you trying to appear 'pro-town' and failing miserably. You should be voting your heart out for your guilty or the 'liar', but you're too busy trying to score pro-town points by following drake's advice.

I'm sure you would love us to accept the 'inevitable' no-lynch by encouraging us all to unvote. Not happening bud.
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Post Post #284 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2009 6:13 pm

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Shotty wrote:Hrmm, are you sure I couldn't be insane and still have a miller in the game...? As far as I understand I would just receive an innocent on a miller since I would get flipflopped results.
Hahaha, okay then.

Anyone feel the need to say anything else before we pile on?
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Post Post #285 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2009 6:22 pm

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I have another theory that could explain this nicely, but I want to hold back on it until we hear from everyone. The scumteam is still 3 I would say sigma/dahill/Socrates if it isn't Drake. I won't say anymore until we hear from Socrates, I want him to make up his mind.
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Post Post #286 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2009 6:34 pm

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Under what logic is Scooby Doo a cop who always gets the wrong results?
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Post Post #287 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2009 6:45 pm

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Under what logic is Man vs Food a neighbor? Why is Modern Marvels a (Role?) Channel Cop? Flavor is not always logical, flavor sometimes takes a back seat to game balance.
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Post Post #288 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2009 6:46 pm

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And an insane cop is game balancing how? I've yet to see one for non-flavor reasons.
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Post Post #289 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2009 6:59 pm

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All I know is what my role told me and I have one result that can't be corroborated. It certainly would seem to jive that we would not have a sane cop considering we already had what I guess was a role cop and a lie detector.
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Post Post #290 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2009 7:20 pm

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Good point. I can't really see putting a lie detector, role cop, and regular cop all in the same game.

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Post Post #291 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2009 7:28 pm

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Sigh, so full of fail, it makes no sense to fake-claim cop with the reveals we've had...

The point is if my result is inaccurate, due to scum (framer?) or sanity issues then me and Drake are both pro-town and sigma was fanning those flames. He said he would've claimed cop to lynch me? He didn't have the balls to come out and claim like that, but he decided to step in and get a vote on me from Drake or a vote on me to Drake because I didn't lay it right away when he saw the opportunity. All the scum clearly aren't on right now, so you have time to reconsider this misstep before it costs us the game.
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Post Post #292 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:16 pm

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But the only way that it makes sense for sigma to stick his neck out is if your lynch won't immediately win the game, because otherwise a dead regular townie is as good as a cop.

But that said, when sigma voted for me, nobody else voted. Gorrad didn't post in the thread until after I did, but all three other players did. If sigma is telling the truth, why wouldn't the other three players - our presumed 3-man scum team - vote for me and take the victory?

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Post Post #293 (ISO) » Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:46 pm

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I've changed my mind: sigma's play makes sense only as a truth-telling-townie even if we're actually in 3/2/1. The townie that dies is of no consequence in that situation, either, and sigma would want to lie low for fear of drawing the SK's attention.

(Yes, in this hypothetical situation Gorrad's role had switched to SK, Still not something I'm discounting.)

Gorrad, I think you ought to vig dahill tonight (assuming we even get to a lynch). If both you and sigma are telling the truth, of course, it shouldn't matter, assuming you believe me.

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Post Post #294 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:35 am

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I guess at this point I have to consider the possibility Gorrad was lying about the BP part of his claim. Why would he claim BP? Wouldn't it have been better to try and draw kills by just claiming vig?
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Post Post #295 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:01 am

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Just got my wisdom teeth out. Still a little woozy. Hope to post coherently later.
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Post Post #296 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:17 am

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Shotty to the Body wrote:I guess at this point I have to consider the possibility Gorrad was lying about the BP part of his claim. Why would he claim BP? Wouldn't it have been better to try and draw kills by just claiming vig?
If I hadn't fullclaimed, my breadcrumb would have made no sense. Also, when claiming Miller Vig, the NK-Immune is kinda part of the package at this point. If I hadn't claimed it, it would have been kinda awkward.
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Post Post #297 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:23 am

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Shotty to the Body (3) - sigma, Gorrad, DraketheFake
Not voting: Socrates, dahill1, Shotty to the Body

with 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch

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Post Post #298 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:59 pm

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@dahill: time to vote or explain why you're not voting. Shotty needs to go.
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Post Post #299 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:27 pm

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Both dahill and Socrates would do well to explain that, actually.
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