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basically he said you hadn't persuade him

considering you haven't persuaded me that I'm scum either, I see no problem with it

above message was in reply to hoppster's last post

Hopp wrote:This is... absolutely ridiculous. Have you been reading recent posts I have made? Have you been reading the bit where Twistedspoon decides all my questions do not need answering because they're traps? Did you see my self-vote? Have you seen Twistedspoon's repeated misrepresentation? And yet you feel no need to comment on any of these?

If you continue to adopt a condescending tone with me, I'll slap you with my cane.

From your fragmented argument in your ISO, I can't really tell what your case is. If you want me to consider your case on the Duke of Spoon, you need to condense it and put it all in one post (preferably a short post).

Uncomfortable premonitions surfacing regarding Sir Boose...

Sir Hoppster clearly thinks he has a case. That you cannot locate it is your own fault, nay my good sir?

No. If I don't see anything scummy about TS, don't jump down my throat when your argument has devolved into "quote random stuff the other person says and nitpick at it." I'm asking for a centralized case; and if hoppster can't put one together, I hope he reevaluates his position on TS.

Twistedspoon wrote:basically he said you hadn't persuade him

considering you haven't persuaded me that I'm scum either, I see no problem with it

So you don't think it's worth commenting on at all?

Caboose wrote:No. If I don't see anything scummy about TS, don't jump down my throat when your argument has devolved into "quote random stuff the other person says and nitpick at it." I'm asking for a centralized case; and if hoppster can't put one together, I hope he reevaluates his position on TS.

I will pull together a 'case' at some point in the next few days, but that's not my primary concern right now (you not being convinced - FWIW, I do think I have a case, but that's not the pressing issue right now). What worried me was the general feeling of apathy I got from you regarding Twistedspoon. It wasn't "I THINK HE'S TOWN. GUYZ!" or "YEAH, DEFFO SCUM, GUYZ!", or even "HIS POSTS CONFUSE ME, GUYZ!"

It was more like: "Twistedspoon? ." I expected some sort of comment on him, given his "IGNORE HOPPSTER HERP DERP" posts and his "MISREP MISREP MISREP" posts; whether that be a town/scum/null/n00b-read wasn't a huge deal as long as it was justified.

However, as far as I can see, you've just taken one look at the Twistedspoon situation and ignored it completely. Even after I prompted you for something, all you're saying is that you can't see the case. I still have no idea whether it's a town/null/n00b-read on Twistedspoon, so I'm basically having to assume you have NO Twistedspoon read (the absence of any read being different to a null-read in my mind). Even then, you haven't ruled out thinking of him as scum despite not seeing the case (of course you can usually never rule out anybody as scum, but by this I mean you could suddenly decide Twistedspoon is scum in without flip-flopping/contradicting yourself ["Oh, so THAT'S the case? I see now! <votes Twistedspoon>"] - if it's not obvious, this is another sign of your lack of clarity regarding to your Twistedspoon read).

You've also not really taken a firm stance on myself recently. I can't tell whether your recent posts are OMGUS, irritation, or just general apathy and absence of a read again. You've been through my ISO (from what you've said in recent posts), yet no comment on the contents within seems odd. I self-voted, for crying out loud, and you've nothing to say on the matter?

Hoppster wrote:

Twistedspoon wrote:basically he said you hadn't persuade him

considering you haven't persuaded me that I'm scum either, I see no problem with it

So you don't think it's worth commenting on at all?

not myself, but what conclusion have you made from it regarding caboose's alignment compadré?

For what it's worth, I think TS is a null-town. As for you, I think you're town. And yes I am irritated because it seems like you and inhim think it's a scumtell that I haven't weighed in on you and TS's slapfight over the past couple pages. I'm not sure when not having a solid stance on everyone at all times became a scumtell, but if it is one I can start yelling at you for not saying anything about Apo.

From what I can patch together so far, you're calling "misrep" (which is probably the most overused scumtell; people tend to use this one when someone disagrees with them or in an OMGUSy context) and something about him ignoring you (which is not a scumtell).

Self-voting is a solid annoyingtell. If you think it's edgy or bold, you're painfully oblivious.

You misinterpret my meaning, methinks, Sir Boose. Sod all that you truly have a firm stance on the behavior of Twistedspoon, Esq. and Sir Hoppster. I found it a tad dubious you found it trifling and absurd to consider what Sir Hoppster had to say about Twistedspoon, Esq. because Sir Hoppster had not put forth a condensed summary of that which regards our dear Spoon.

Hoppster wrote:StrangerCoug: Would you say that my pursuit of Twistedspoon is sincere?

I would at this time, sir.

I have not read since my last posting as this post is coming from my ipod, but please bear with me for like 24-48 more hours of inactivity. Exams are starting to crush me, but that'll be over soon enough.

I'm still quite busy at the moment. Hopefully sometime tonight I will get through this last two pages and be able to explain why imaginality is a dirty murdering fiend, of which I still believe. Don't mean to lose touch with this game, I intend to be much more talkative around next week at some point, as soon as examinations are finished.

Hoppster wrote:TheLonging + inHim: Thoughts on the Twistedspoon/Hoppster wagons please (and recent posts from us both).

I just wanna say this; after rereading, I do have a couple of people in mind that could be scum. However. I want to focus on only one person today.

Overall I'm actually leaning town on Caboose. The attitude (HOW DARE YOU ATTACK ME) seems upon reflection to be indignant town imo.

I also disagree with inHim that Caboose's refusal to acknowledge my case (simply to lack of a clear one-post summary of the case or something like that) is scummy - I'd say it's null. I'm willing to admit that it's a bit disjointed. I will get it condensed into one post at some point.



So why not say this (YOU'RE BEING ANNOYING/ANTI-TOWN/UNHELPFUL ETC.)?


StrangerCoug: is vezok still scum?

TheLonging: is the Twistedspoon vote for something I've covered or something that I haven't?

Hoppster wrote:StrangerCoug: is vezok still scum?

Yes, sir, vezokpiraka is still trying to end our lives. I have not lowered my guard.

Hoppster wrote:TheLonging: is the Twistedspoon vote for something I've covered or something that I haven't?

Mixture of both.

I've been doing some supplemental reading to get a more accurate read of Twistedspoon, and the results appear to be in his favor. I checked the games imaginality posted links to (post #256) and some others, and I agree with his conclusion - meta would suggest Twistedspoon is town. Given how Twistedspoon and Sir Hoppster attacked each other from the very start, I was also especially interested in their mutual history, but sadly I found no games I could link to. According to what I read from Hoppster elsewhere, the only completed games they have together are marathon games. There is also an ongoing game they're in, and having skimmed through its first day I believe I can understand Twistedspoon's reluctance to engage with Hoppster in verbal fisticuffs. In short, my already uncertain faith in Hoppster's case on Twistedspoon has eroded even further having read what I have.

This has no effect on my read of Hoppster, at least not yet. Rather I fear we have two gentlemen heading toward a fatal confrontation, to the delight of the villains amongst us. I believe both the town and the game in general could benefit from both Twistedspoon and Sir Hoppster reconsidering their stances on each other in a calmer mood, taking Sir inHim's advice.

In other news, I regret to inform you I will be away this weekend. My orchestra will be leaving on its annual concert tour in little over an hour, and it is unlikely I will have a chance to post at all until Monday. Therefore I must declare

Good sirs, the game I was talking about was Open 290, which is now finished. Upon reading other games that Sir Twisted has participated in, Mini 1130 in particular, I find my meta case somewhat weakened. While I did observe him posting more fluff and one-liners as scum, he does that as town a fair bit as well. However, my other points against him still stand.

TheLonging: It is impolite to keep secrets in company. What additional reasons do you have for finding Sir Twisted scummy?

My post where I showed all of his fluff.

ISO #66, ISO #61, ISO #56

those convinced me the most

I have just been poring over the game in order that my mind should not be solely fixated on the uniquely scummy Duke of Spoon. One thing that jumped out at me upon a careful reread is the extreme camaraderie that Sir imaginality seems to feel towards me. When I voted him, he treated me with the height of courtesy and friendship, and from then on, he took every opportunity to praise me (mainly for my pressure on the Duke of Spoon). While I certainly appreciate these kind words--and, indeed, I wish that more gentlemen so accurately divined my incisive intellect and sparkling wit--I cannot help but note that it seems, to me, somewhat excessive. Gentlemen, your thoughts?

the honorable Sir Hoppster wrote:imaginality: Why use meta this game if you do not do it on a normal basis?

I found myself both richer in time and poorer in in-game reads than is usually the case, and the specific mention Apokalyptika had made of seeing a difference in meta intrigued me sufficiently to divert myself to the pastime.


If I may speak plainly, I feel the set-to between you and Mr Twistedspoon, Esq. is beginning to weary the gathering. I would invite you both to consider again the fact that the other, in all probability, represents no more than one third part of the total substance of villainry amongst us, and to provide an indication of who else you suspect at this point, and for what reason. Please do not delay your response for fear of Twistedspoon copying your reads, for I am confident the rest of us will notice if that eventuates.


To be fair, I shall list my own suspicions: Messrs. kr0b, kpaca, TheLonging and DemonHybrid all raise my hackles at present and I am happy to explain why in due course. Caboose's most recent few posts contrast favourably with his earlier ones (mostly questions, few reads), saving him from inclusion in this shortlist of scummery. The slow pace of the discussion of late hinders strong conclusions being drawn at this point, but I would wager there are at least two of the villains in the above quartet.

I shall refrain from commenting on Apokalyptika's above point for now, since it was addressed to others, and I am equally interested to hear their thoughts.

I'm going to cut the characterization for a bit to do my catchup post. Sorry that I've been away. I had finals to wrap up, other games to catch up on and general craziness.

Hoppster's self-vote reads off as very town to me and Vezok is looking even worse from trying to pin it as scummy. No one in this game is really looking at motivations. What is the motivation behind TS posting the way he is? He's prodding for information. It should read off as very town. He's not ignoring information or misrepping people.

Caboose is looking worse from the way Hoppster needed to push him to respond anything at all to his self-vote. So far, the pinnacle of information has been from that self-vote.

inhim's vote on Apokalyptika tells me that if one of them is scum, the other is not. That vote was sort of out of left field.

However, I'm going to give Vezok the benefit of the doubt. Not to be rude, but Vezok, you're not the brightest banana of the bunch and you may have just fell into a "what the hell is this well let me just say it's scummy cuz whatever" spiral and that doesn't really tell me anything about your motivation.

I'm going to keep my vote on Apok for the above inhim vs Apok statement (and also because I believe that early game play tells all and his resistance to the "Vezok policy lynch" was pretty detrimental to information gathering. How could anyone think TL was serious about that?)