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Zang wrote:I would rather elect someone I trust than Quilford. The night executioner wouldn't have to listen to town consensus. That's why I want magna to be the night executioner rather than the day executioner.

Why doesn't the Night Executioner have to listen?

SleepyKrew wrote:
Why doesn't the Night Executioner have to listen?

We do not know what roles scum have, they could have blocking roles. so to tell the night executioner who to kill leaves us with possibility of being blocked if we tell them to target someone who would flip mafia. Night executioner is best making the decision himself therefor scum can not manipule it as much.

jasonT1981 wrote:

SleepyKrew wrote:
Why doesn't the Night Executioner have to listen?

We do not know what roles scum have, they could have blocking roles. so to tell the night executioner who to kill leaves us with possibility of being blocked if we tell them to target someone who would flip mafia. Night executioner is best making the decision himself therefor scum can not manipule it as much.

Mafia had doctor last game not RBer.

RBer is way stronger in this setup than in others.

jasonT1981 wrote:

SleepyKrew wrote:
Why doesn't the Night Executioner have to listen?

We do not know what roles scum have, they could have blocking roles. so to tell the night executioner who to kill leaves us with possibility of being blocked if we tell them to target someone who would flip mafia. Night executioner is best making the decision himself therefor scum can not manipule it as much.

That was directed at Zang (as can be seen by the failtags). I agree that Night Executioner should have free reign.

Wait, you agree with me now, yet said I was scummy earlier for it.

SleepyKrew wrote:And jason just became scummy.
If you aren't voting MoI because you think he doesn't want to be executioner, then nothing changes in the night.

I'm agreeing that Night Exec should get to choose their own shot (contradicting what I said at the beginning of the game, because I hadn't considered Scum PR's at that point).

Quilford wrote:Ignoring you listing me as your top scum read which is based on reasoning I don't think you even understand yourself (so kindly just sum up your case on me in bullet points or something), I don't get why you've put Chaos at 2 over Cod considering the only thing you bring up against Chaos in your ISO is that he needs to post more, iirc and you said my case on Codfish was "especially good" or something

so I get the feeling that you're trying to appease Vezok by putting Chaos at 2 and I can definitely see you being Cod's buddy

I've already posted my reasons for why I think your scummy. I mentioned him twice in my first post as well as calling him scummy and saying that he needs to post more and he's only posted once since then. I did say your case on codfish was good which is why I put him farther down on my scumlist. How would that appease Vezok and why would it matter if I did appease him.

SleepyKrew wrote:Why doesn't the Night Executioner have to listen?

As explained by jason and Vezok,What if the mafia have a doctor or other similar role.

So are we announcing who we are going to vote for as night executioner before vezok performs his kill?

Zang wrote:

Quilford wrote:Ignoring you listing me as your top scum read which is based on reasoning I don't think you even understand yourself (so kindly just sum up your case on me in bullet points or something), I don't get why you've put Chaos at 2 over Cod considering the only thing you bring up against Chaos in your ISO is that he needs to post more, iirc and you said my case on Codfish was "especially good" or something

so I get the feeling that you're trying to appease Vezok by putting Chaos at 2 and I can definitely see you being Cod's buddy

I've already posted my reasons for why I think your scummy.

You can post them again.

vezok wrote:Why don't you have a second scum read? You questioned me before. You don't consider me scum anymore?

Because questioning = YOU'RE SCUM!!!1. Good job there buddy.

In all seriousness though, I think you have consistency issues, but given your apparent reputation as a VI (this is based off other people's posts, not personal experience, mind you), that's pretty null to me right now.

implosion wrote:@fatlikepig: what do you mean by odd vibes?

I guess I just found it odd that you could still believe that Codfish was town based on one post (you stated that it was #44 - any chance that I could get you to elaborate on why?) when there was such a large amount of information which pointed to him being scummy. That's... pretty much it as far as I'm concerned.

First order of business: Codfish dies at the end of the day. We wait for him to claim and if someone has anything else to say or is against this execution.

Second order of business: Who is Night executioner? I suggest MoI.

Also town: If we decide on a night executioner you all vote that person. Understood?

moi is as good as any I guess

Hey everyone, tomorrow I'll be fully active, just stopped by to make a quick post.
Skimmed the last few pages and I've been generally pleased in the direction today is going. From what I saw of Cod earlier, I thought he was scum.
I don't like, however, that MoI is a candidate for the night killer, for one reason only. I'm at the top of his scumlist. I don't understand how his highest scumread is someone who's made almost no posts, due to being V/LA, but that doesn't matter at this point. I don't plan on getting killed anytime soon.

Hi. I'm reading the thread and am going to post my reads/thoughts soon.

Captain Corporal wrote:Hey everyone, tomorrow I'll be fully active, just stopped by to make a quick post.
Skimmed the last few pages and I've been generally pleased in the direction today is going. From what I saw of Cod earlier, I thought he was scum.
I don't like, however, that MoI is a candidate for the night killer, for one reason only. I'm at the top of his scumlist. I don't understand how his highest scumread is someone who's made almost no posts, due to being V/LA, but that doesn't matter at this point. I don't plan on getting killed anytime soon.

The times when you posted you were scummy. Don't worry for tonight. You can vote your scum buddies if you want but MoI can still come for you.

Ok Vezok, point out what in my two posts is scummy. Stop hiding behind MoI.

Also, me voting for scum would have worse consequences than you think, due to the nature of my role.

Captain Corporal wrote:
I don't like, however, that MoI is a candidate for the night killer, for one reason only. I'm at the top of his scumlist. I don't understand how his highest scumread is someone who's made almost no posts, due to being V/LA, but that doesn't matter at this point.

I don't plan on getting killed anytime soon

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Hmmm says he doesn't like he is MOIs top suspect, then says he does not plan on being killed? Mafia Roleblocker anyone?

Here are my reads, in descending order of scumminess:
Scum:
- Codfish. Referring to fatlikepig's case.
- SK. We have a flimsy case on vezok right from the beginning (ISO #2 and following), a sudden switchover to Quil (ISO #14), implosion suddenly changing from not relevant to top scumread (ISO #50, #64), Quil becomes acceptable candidate for day executioner (ISO #62) although he still thinks Quil is scum (ISO #63), Codfish becomes scum after it's very likely he's going to get killed (ISO #75) and an unspecified power role claim out of the blue (ISO #80, #81). The only reason he's not my top scumread is that I refuse to believe an experienced player like him can be that stupid.

Leaning scum:
- Captain. Little activity but what is in ISO #0 contains the same flimsy case on vezok as SK posted, together with a possible bus. ISO #4 is a simple "I'm not scum, trust me!" post with no case on why he isn't scum. The unspecified power role claim in ISO #5 seals the deal.
- havingfitz. No content.
- Chaos. Little activity, little content.
- jason. Seems to be honest in general, but his change in opinion of Quilford from "town" to "suspicious" to "no longer top scumread" worries me.

Neutral:
- vezok. I honestly can't read him, but if he is scum he's not going to paint a big target on his back and kill anybody else, so it doesn't really matter today.

Leaning town:
- fatlikepig. I like his case on codfish, seems to be honestly scumhunting but too little activity to consider him more than leaning town.
- Zang. Seems town from his earlier posts, but also too little activity.
- MoI. Looks like a honest scumhunter, but I don't like how he openly claims he doesn't care about town's opinion if he's elected.

Town:
- Quilford. Usual CAPSRAAAAAAGE but honest.
- implosion. Well thought-out posts and SK's random attack makes him more likely to be town.

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Everybody, stop claiming who you are going to vote for at night, and whom the night executioner should kill. This is basically an invitation to whatever power roles scum has to target the night executioner or the designated kill.

If we claim night votes, we're doing it the next day, letting scummiest players claim first.

Jason, I don't plan on getting killed. If you say that's a scumtell, everyone should be on your scumlist, because I don't think anyone else plans on getting killed either.
Logic.

P-EDIT: I don't understand why my lack of activity is bad. I WAS V/LA.

How is an unspecified power role bad?
Either way, I'm claiming. If the town play righ, scum can't touch me.
I'm a town leader, meaning I get two votes day aand night (basically a doublevoter). I breadcrumbed earlier. Hold on, I'll find it for you.

Captain Corporal wrote:=(

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ol, I guess in the game type there's no random voting. I miss my random vot

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lso, I think I might be away all tommorow (birthday : D). In case I don't post again tonight, my town read is SK, my null read is Quil (leaning town now), and my scum reads are Vezok and Co

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LEAD

Anyway, I'm going to finish my school project (a timeline of important US document signings), then I might go to sleep.

thats really not a breadcrumb.

Captain Corporal wrote:

Captain Corporal wrote:=(

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ol, I guess in the game type there's no random voting. I miss my random vot

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lso, I think I might be away all tommorow (birthday : D). In case I don't post again tonight, my town read is SK, my null read is Quil (leaning town now), and my scum reads are Vezok and Co

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LEAD

Anyway, I'm going to finish my school project (a timeline of important US document signings), then I might go to sleep.

Lol breadcrumb.

I think I have one somewhere. I think it says I'm a doc a cop a scum and a townie treestump:D



But alas CC is town. There was a town leader last game.

Also icecube is simply retarded. How do you expect the NK to land in town's hands if we don't decide on night executioner?

vezokpiraka wrote:
Also icecube is simply retarded. How do you expect the NK to land in town's hands if we don't decide on night executioner?

It doesn't matter that much, we can narrow the possibilities down by vote analysis on the next day, and these guy(s) will have a lot of explaining to do. And having the NK in town's hands and then getting roleblocked, doctored or whatever also doesn't do us any good.