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↑ Nexus wrote:I will read the thread and post some thoughts soon. I promise.

If I delay another day or so, I'll request replacement so I stop wasting all of your time.

↑ Kdub wrote:

Nero:
You are voting Iecerint, yet he does not appear on your scumlist. Why? I also don't understand your sudden suspicion of ooba. The post of his you quoted doesn't imply anything to me.

I don't and never have thought Iece was scum.


As far as ooba goes; I simply dislike being misrepped. I clearly stated that I didn't feel iece was scum but he posted TWICE about me accusing Iece and SD of being scum.

↑ ooba wrote:

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@Nero:

"this is not what was said."

But it is the standard definition of 'chainsawing'. Your usage of it was contradictory. I shifted it to a neutral tell once it was obvious that's not what you meant anyway.
Surprised at your sudden jump at me though.

I'd support any of the following lynches.

ooba
fox
WC
SK
Elmo
SD
Slandaar

Prefered order of those lynches?
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Elmo
SK
SD
WC
Slan
fox
ooba

@Briz Its still early in the DP. I understand that WC is your #2 choice for scum but why not vote sword

@MoI- Early arguments with WC made him early suspect. But less so now.

Midnight posts I didn't like are in his old ISO.

Fennin/BBMolla = breadcrumb of Yoda, which has still not been explained to my satisfaction.

↑ PeregrineV wrote:Fennin/BBMolla = breadcrumb of Yoda, which has still not been explained to my satisfaction.

Why does it matter

↑ BBmolla wrote:

↑ PeregrineV wrote:Fennin/BBMolla = breadcrumb of Yoda, which has still not been explained to my satisfaction.

Why does it matter

He breadcrumbed his role name, not his role. Why would you breadcrumb your role name and not your role?

↑ PeregrineV wrote:

↑ BBmolla wrote:

↑ PeregrineV wrote:Fennin/BBMolla = breadcrumb of Yoda, which has still not been explained to my satisfaction.

Why does it matter

He breadcrumbed his role name, not his role. Why would you breadcrumb your role name and not your role?

Why does it matter unless you're trying to rolefish?

A person's rolename doesn't say anything about their alignment, so it makes little sense to crumb it. The only logical reason to do so would be if scum lack confirmed fakeclaims and fakeclaim a town player's rolename, but town are unlikely to infer that to be the case, since it is against site meta.

On the other hand, crumbing one's gamerole is relevant to action claims down the line.

Iecerint thinks that is the point.

↑ BBmolla wrote:

↑ PeregrineV wrote:

↑ BBmolla wrote:

↑ PeregrineV wrote:Fennin/BBMolla = breadcrumb of Yoda, which has still not been explained to my satisfaction.

Why does it matter

He breadcrumbed his role name, not his role. Why would you breadcrumb your role name and not your role?

Why does it matter unless you're trying to rolefish?

↑ Iecerint wrote:A person's rolename doesn't say anything about their alignment, so it makes little sense to crumb it. The only logical reason to do so would be if scum lack confirmed fakeclaims and fakeclaim a town player's rolename, but town are unlikely to infer that to be the case, since it is against site meta.

On the other hand, crumbing one's gamerole is relevant to action claims down the line.

Iecerint thinks that is the point.

Iecerint is correct. Yoda is "good guy" in star Wars universe, so you would crumb that to cause doubt in the minds of readers.
But rolename has no bearing on alignment.

So why do it?

Hint: Scum

In fairness, Iecerint would like to note that Iecerint has sometimes crumbed Iecerint's rolename in games (most recently in [REDACTED]), even while understanding that it makes no sense. This is more likely to happen when Iecerint receives a rolename Iecerint flavorenjoys.

Peregrine wrote: @MoI- Early arguments with WC made him early suspect. But less so now.

Can you link or reference in some way what you are responding to here?

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Slandaar wrote:You still have not dropped the lurking argument. This shows you are pushing too hard and do not care on the answers I give you.

Great. Explain to me why Town who has a scum-read on someone has to take their statements at face value. Scum never lie, right?

Slandaar wrote:Do you see how my read on you and how it has changed would be nearly impossible to fake? it changes with new information, do you see that? do you think im scum who can replicate this kind of flowingness to my reads?

Nearly impossible to fake? Flowningness? Um, no.

There’s been no new information. Here’s how I see your read on me.

1. OMGUS – Magna thinks I’m scum so he’s scum.
2. Appeasement – He’s not letting up so I’ll stop calling him scum and call him Town hoping he will focus elsewhere.
3. OMGUS – I’ll fabricate some WIFOM argument and call him scum again since 2 didn’t work.

Slandaar wrote:also where is SD magna?

Good question. He hasn’t logged onto MS for over two weeks. Is he scum for not posting within 3 days of the thread opening? Yes or no answer please!

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Sleepy wrote:UNVOTE:

PEW PEW PEW

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WrathChild wrote:Don't worry, MoI says Andy is obv-town, so just trust him or he'll call you scum 500 times.

So once I post my case you can respond to the case instead of just stating that I’ve just been calling you scum with no reason.

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Iec wrote: In fairness, Iecerint would like to note that Iecerint has sometimes crumbed Iecerint's rolename in games (most recently in [REDACTED]), even while understanding that it makes no sense. This is more likely to happen when Iecerint receives a rolename Iecerint flavorenjoys.

So you see a reasonable possible explanation for Fennin’s action. Is he scum for the crumb?

Iecerint thinks that the crumb lean scum for the reasons that Peregrine and others have indicated, but Iecerint thinks it is a much weaker tell than is being implied. Iecerint thinks it is more of a "null" tell than a "scum" one, if Iecerint is forced to choose.

IIecRC, Iecerint thought Fennin was scummy for attacking Slandaar for attacking Malee (i.e. before the crumb had even been identified, back when Iecerint thought Slandaar was 110% obvtown and Malee was suspect). So reasonable people can think Fennin is scummy for reasons that have nothing to do with the crumb.

OK

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Magna

So magnas scum because a ton of people didnt realise this thread opened even though they could be subbed to it while he STILL pushes the lurking argument on me for not realising a NEW thread had been created.

its actually ridiculous.

like the simple point is

He wont drop ONE point against me that actually applies in a more extreme manner to TWO (Andrius/SD) of his 'townreads'

Magna is scum

↑ Slandaar wrote:He wont drop ONE point against me that actually applies in a more extreme manner to TWO (Andrius/SD) of his 'townreads'

Hohoho you fucking lying scumbag.

True or False -

You posted on site after the thread was opened in other threads here on MS?
You posted in the Reboot Queue thread actively saying you wanted to play more?
You failed over the course of 5 days to click ANYWHERE on site other than the thread you were posting in?
You popped up out of the blue right after I called you out?

Now point to those elements that apply to Andrius or Shadow! I'll be waiting you cheeky fucking scumbag.

PEW PEW PEW

↑ Iecerint wrote:IIecRC, Iecerint thought Fennin was scummy for attacking Slandaar for attacking Malee (i.e. before the crumb had even been identified, back when Iecerint thought Slandaar was 110% obvtown and Malee was suspect). So reasonable people can think Fennin is scummy for reasons that have nothing to do with the crumb.

So is Slandaar 110% obvtown to you still? I don't see much in the way of reads from your slot these days.

As Iecerint has already indicated (I think? And Ooba said something similar, too, IIecRC), Slandaar's play since the reboot has been unsettling. Hence, Slandaar does not remain at 110%. Iecerint still thinks Slandaar is town, though, as the original town read was unambiguous, and Iecerint has learned to trust these impressions most of the time.

↑ Iecerint wrote:As Iecerint has already indicated (I think? And Ooba said something similar, too, IIecRC), Slandaar's play since the reboot has been unsettling. Hence, Slandaar does not remain at 110%. Iecerint still thinks Slandaar is town, though, as the original town read was unambiguous, and Iecerint has learned to trust these impressions most of the time.

Great. List your 4 biggest scum reads currently with a line or two about why each is scum.

Woohoo!!! Am I dreaming or is it actually true and this game is finally back back on again. (Sorry, I did not check over the weekend and only just realized that this is running again).

So... yeah... Expect content tomorrow.

@MoI- http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?yq9rosqj023zbcq

Anything more than that and you'll have to wait until I can open 4 browsers at once. Otherwise, you can go and see me and WrathChild sniping at each other, and my Midnight diagnosis.

↑ PeregrineV wrote:

↑ BBmolla wrote:

↑ PeregrineV wrote:

↑ BBmolla wrote:

↑ PeregrineV wrote:Fennin/BBMolla = breadcrumb of Yoda, which has still not been explained to my satisfaction.

Why does it matter

He breadcrumbed his role name, not his role. Why would you breadcrumb your role name and not your role?

Why does it matter unless you're trying to rolefish?

↑ Iecerint wrote:A person's rolename doesn't say anything about their alignment, so it makes little sense to crumb it. The only logical reason to do so would be if scum lack confirmed fakeclaims and fakeclaim a town player's rolename, but town are unlikely to infer that to be the case, since it is against site meta.

On the other hand, crumbing one's gamerole is relevant to action claims down the line.

Iecerint thinks that is the point.

Iecerint is correct. Yoda is "good guy" in star Wars universe, so you would crumb that to cause doubt in the minds of readers.
But rolename has no bearing on alignment.

So why do it?

Hint: Scum

Well, you see, Yoda is a very important person. That is relevent to this game because I am Yoda and my skills are very important.

To me it seems like you're saying "THAT GUY BREAD CRUMBED COP, BUT IN THIS GAME COP CAN BE EITHER ALIGNMENT. WHY WOULD HE DO THAT? HINT: SCUM" Can you see why this seems like role fishing to me?

And yes, I'm Yoda. Congrats.

↑ PeregrineV wrote:He breadcrumbed his role name, not his role. Why would you breadcrumb your role name and not your role?

^Which is why this makes no sense. My role name is my role.

Peregrine, do you have a seperate role name and role?

Example: "Boba Fett, the cop" or just "Boba Fett"
Because mine is the latter, but your quote indicates it should be the former which is why I'm so confused.

sorry guys, got stuck with work crap, but..
reread the archives so here's where i am at so far:

slandaar jumps on Malee for giving reads early in the game.
on the very same page ooba does the same thing post 147 yet Slandaar makes no mention of this.
same page again #149 Kurtis bandwagons on the malee vote for the very same reason yet mentions nothing about ooba's post. Scum move.

not sure why Malee pointed out Fennin's crumb for EVERYONE
post 230 Kurtis defends the Fennins crumb with another weak attack on Malee

post 279

Slandaar wrote:Fennin gets it, which is why I find him scummy, because HE SEES that its just mostly a summary with no real opinion... IE ITS NOT CONTENT he just doesnt want to be on the side of attacking the wall poster as wall poster = town (to the masses) or wall poster = buddy

not sure I understand your reasoning here…
so you're saying that claimed Malee's wot was pointless
Then you say that Fennin is scum fopr agreeing with you? Wtf?

Fennin is asked question after question, yet pops inpost# 291 to say,"yes I'm Yoda" and yeh it was obvcrumb.
Kurtis goes into hybernation when heat is applied
Fennin comes back to only say post 337 that I did to prove I have different powers. He still does not answer the numerous questions given to him.

Fennin's crumbing seems way too blatant, upwards to the fact where he claims Yoda. I don't see town motivation for this? It would paint him as a PR target. Especially with his "my Jedi powers are different than the standard powers. "
His play makes no sense.Come in, blatantly crumb, hide in the shadows and avoid questions, then pop in for a claim and out..

gonna read the reboot now, but as of this moment:
Slandaar, Fennin, and Kurtis are on my top ugly list.

I know why but I'd have to fullclaim all my powers. And it'd defeat the purpose of his plan.

i am not asking you to claim..please don't yet...
but umm... did he leave a little plan of attack behind for you? how would you know what HIS plan is/was?

↑ sword_of_omens wrote:i am not asking you to claim..please don't yet...
but umm... did he leave a little plan of attack behind for you? how would you know what HIS plan is/was?

He didn't leave anything for me, it's just pretty obvious for me to see what he was trying to accomplish.