Open 385 - No Lynching Town - GAME OVER

[Metabot]

No, simply that I've been too liberal with my townreads. One of the reasons why I'm going over you, pack, and Acrv again.

[drmyshotgun]

Why am I included in your "liberal" townread list? Thought I was your suspect Meta.
And where's Vincent. Thought you cared less of him than most of us. Isn't he one of your "townread"?

[AcRv]

I fucked up somwhere, because if Acrv Town, Packbat Town, drmy town from towntelling post, andrew/vincent cannot be both scum, then I must be scum. That awkward moment when you realize that you think you're the scummiest person of the day.

Correction there... your logic is that the scummy one is either andrew94 or Vincent2128... therefore by your logic you aren't the scummiest of the day, you're the most likely scum buddy of today. Unless you were giving us a confession?

Let's play a game. In each post from now we must end it with a number, and a fact about that number. We do this until Vincent2128 comes in and says hi. Who's up for it? I sure am.

1. The only integer above zero to be neither a prime number or a composite number.

[AcRv]

EBWOP: Out of interest, Metabot, why did you ask me about my experience? I assume you had a reason?

2. The number of mafiosi who are being a pain in our backsides.

[drmyshotgun]

Well, I guess the game should keep us busy.
Are we meant to go for higher numbers all the time? Or are we allowed to use any number.
3. The number of innocent Townies I'm positive are being active as of this moment.

[AcRv]

Hmmm... I had thought we could count in sequence, but if we want to skip ahead a bit I don't see why not.

4. The number that this post put in as the number required for it to have for the purpose of this game.

[Metabot]

AcRv: Yeah, you uh.. committed a tell that usually applies best to newer players, so thats why I wanted to know.

When I say i'm the most scummy person here, thats basically because, from my logic, I'm the one who is scum in both possible configurations.

Drmy: I think its pretty clear where everyone's at in my eyes. When did I say I cared little about Vincent?

[AcRv]

Scumtell or towntell? This is just curiousity really. And (just humour me for a second here) why didn't you post a number at the end of your post?

And going to let you all know that I'll be offline for 24 hours from 7pm tonight for a gaming event... and I'll spend most of today gettng stuff together... but I might be able to get online later today before I leave.

[drmyshotgun]

You just didn't talk much about him. While AcRv once connected him to Sleepy to be his "silent" partner.
Well, I guess no-one really cared about Vincent. Where the hell is he??
Don't tell me we'll be getting a replacement anyways.

5. Number of people active and chatting on Day 2.

[AcRv]

Hazzah! I got everything ready sooner than I thought I would!

Actually, I ended up realising that the way SleepyKrew was acting towards him would have been too obvious if they were scum and realised it was probably buddying. Until he messed with the laws of physics and flipped town.

6. The number of people still alive in this town.

Out of interest, does this town have a bowling alley?

[Vincent2128]

Unexpected events irl caught up with me yesterday
I don't really see all the wagoning on Sleepy being a tell either side, since town would easily be genuinely concerned about getting a lynch and scum could easily fake it.
Reading up more right now.

[drmyshotgun]

YESSSS Vincent is here!!

[Vincent2128]

Meta calling you gunny, i said earlier, stop calling shotgun gunny, it confuses me.

he continues to call you gunny (and someone else but i cant find it )
that means hes not reading
shotgun then says 'i like the name gunny' - soft defending of meta
i ask him why hes defending meta
meta answers that question (lol what did sleepy and pack say earlier)


and.....
Therefore,
shotgun is most likely scum with meta, (2 way buddying)

also, i like where packs going, but i dont think theres 3 scum here/

unvote vote meta fos shotgun

Absolutely terribad logic. Meta and Shotgun are scum because of the nickname 'Gunny'?

Packbat: While what I said previously was by in large true, the main reason why I didn't vote on Vincent before, was this. I wanted to see who would be doing things like, advocating for a wagon while being off it, defending against alternative wagon choices to get a quicker wagon, etc. I thought saying I was on the wagon, and promising my vote later, would cause scum to take action.

Don't understand what this is supposed to mean. Or how this is supposed to relate to the Gunny vote later in the same post. Meta doesn't really explain the reasoning for his vote except 'While what I said previously was by in large true'.

andrew94 may be correct, but this much is certain: drmyshotgun is proposing that we policy-lynch what he claims is a probable town player in a game in which policy-lynching is guaranteed to be ineffective,

rather than

attempt to curry support for his own leading scum suspect ...

the leading wagon

. Such a move is so blatantly scumsided that no amount of WIFOM could justify not voting to lynch on its basis.

I'm liking the logic in this post.

UNVOTE: Vincent2128

I don't like the way Metabot and drmyshotgun are eyeing that wagon without voting.

I can't really get a tell either way from it, but Gunny's been proposing a policy lynch on me for ages since my V/LA started.

Sleepy's final activity before his lynch was just stupid town. Really stupid and deliberately useless town.

In various posts:
Since Sleepy flipped town, I am as a result more town to you? Since some of you saw me and Sleepy confidently as the scumteam, as Sleepy flipped town, then am I no longer a scummy read to you?

I'm sorry, Meta - I'm trying to reread the thread. I'll address your responses when I catch up to them.

No further response for more than 24 hours.

From

all

the interaction between Meta and Gunny, it's extremely extremely unlikely that they are a scumteam. When players clash this hard, typically both cannot be scum, and scumteams rarely deliberately put up a clash of words like that.

Is the number game just supposed to be random fluff flying about or is there a purpose behind it?

[Vincent2128]

I'm sorry, Meta - I'm trying to reread the thread. I'll address your responses when I catch up to them.

No further response for more than 24 hours.

From

all

the interaction between Meta and Gunny, it's extremely extremely unlikely that they are a scumteam. When players clash this hard, typically both cannot be scum, and scumteams rarely deliberately put up a clash of words like that.

EBWOP:
When players clash this hard, typically both cannot be a scumteam

[Vincent2128]

Just a note on andrew:
More than once he's been posting saying that he'll post more soon.

Not hammering... yet....

Therefore you intend to hammer, from 'yet'?

Yet in your next post you say the Shotgun is the best lynch.

[Packbat]

I'm sorry, Meta - I'm trying to reread the thread. I'll address your responses when I catch up to them.

No further response for more than 24 hours.

I've made it as far as #60 so far - then I got super distracted:

Spoiler: Cut for length

Metabot #8 - "Excellent, I've just been itching to play a game, and I actually get to be town (which is my favorite role)" - seems heavy-handed. (Ditto the answer to drmyshotgun's question 8.)

As I said previously, the "remember me?" exchange between Metabot and drmyshotgun didn't read like scum partners to me - I would expect that kind of thing to be hammered out in the QT pregame ... but, if I recall correctly, when I looked at player posting histories and timestamps, I found that one or the other (probably Meta) had not posted between the roles going out and game start. If that is the case, the oddity of the exchange is null - or even scummy. (After all, scum would not want to be seen as buddies - see #26, below.)

#16 - Metabot answers a question directed to drmyshotgun. And then asks basically the question he just answered. Note this.

#18 is a terrible case on SleepyKrew.

Leaving Metabot for the briefest moment: I don't like AcRv's #21 - nothing overly specific.

#24: Metabot gets nervous when I don't tell him whether my vote (which for some reason he calls a "fos") is real or not.

drmyshotgun's #26: as AcRv points out, this isn't buddying, and there's no reason for Gunny to

call

it buddying ... except to distance from the slot.

That said: drmyshotgun's reaction to Meta's #24 is interesting - as is his placing a vote at #27. I don't see scum voting each other at that point.

Also interesting is #28, where Metabot seems to accept the charge of "buddying" as reasonable. And reiterates his whole "RVS or not" thing with both drmyshotgun and I.

Back to Metabot:

@Pack: Okay. The question asks you to choose between two options. Not Yes or No question.

I know this. I answered that way on purpose as a way of emphasizing my rejection of its premise. I linked the essay I did as a way of

explaining

why I reject its premise.

He said why before, basically quoted your "did your brain turn off before post 4."

Packback: Yeah, I understand now. I'm still expecting you to tell me after rvs is over.

"I reject the premise" does not mean "I refuse to answer". This is more WTF than scumhunty, though.

Also, Metabot answers a question for me. That's one for Gunny and one for me, so far.

#52: Vincent2128's vote for andrew94 reads as opportunistic to me.

I notice that I picked up some evidence against drmyshotgun/Metabot just in those two-and-a-bit pages, being as you mentioned it. Further comment as I reread further.

[AcRv]

In various posts:
Since Sleepy flipped town, I am as a result more town to you? Since some of you saw me and Sleepy confidently as the scumteam, as Sleepy flipped town, then am I no longer a scummy read to you?

As I said in an earlier post, I had an initial thought that the way SleepyKrew was acting towards you looked like you were a scumteam, but then when I realised it was a bit too obvious and so it had to be buddying, making you likely town. When he flipped town, that meant I have no idea what side you're on... because town buddying someone means... well, I think it means the town doing the buddying just fails.

Is the number game just supposed to be random fluff flying about or is there a purpose behind it?

I didn't have a reason behind it... I just wanted something to do when waiting for you to get back.

When players clash this hard, typically both cannot be a scumteam

Typically yes, but them acknowledging buddying that isn't there just seems... odd. If you were town, why would you say "that totally not scummy thing I've been doing is kinda scummy. Sorry guys."
A scum could acknowledge it to try and make it look like their subtle tells were just bad posts... but town saying their non scummy things could be considered scummy? Town would say that their non scummy thing wasn't scummy and probably make a comment about the person putting forth the accusations' flawed logic.
I think that their clash could have been planned in advance, with knowledge that it would make them look like town... because their acknowledging of non-existant buddying doesn't make any sense. I think they were trying to distance each other.

Not only are they the two most connected, but andrew94 is playing how he always does, I can't see anything scummy in Packbat, I don't think I was given the wrong role PM, and if Vincent2128 were scum he wouldn't have said post 288. He would have gone along with us thinking that the team was Metabot/drmyshotgun and gotten yet another mislynch. Or a correct lynch and then a mislynch on drmyshotgun. Point is that he'd be encouraging this line of thinking if he were scum.

[drmyshotgun]

Still think its Meta and andrew.

[AcRv]

Well of course. You're not going to openly say that you're in the scum team... at least I'd hope not.

[Metabot]

Well okay, I'm short on time again, so I had to skim:

My "case" on sleepy in the very beginning of the game was not genuine, I didn't find it scummy, just weird (I honestly didn't make sense of the 4th post). I breadcrumbed "reactiontest" as well. Me asking why the votes were genuine was because scum tend to jump on me, especially early game. I don't see how i restated the question I asked Drmy, nor do I see how it suggests we are scumbuds. I feel as if gunny's accusations towards me (the buddying) seem to be more like bad logic and possibly disgenious rather than distancing. I'm okay with him thinking i'm buddying because I don't have much qualms with buddying with everyone. In the beginning I answered other people's question because I thought I knew what was going on, and I was bored.

Also pack, you said before you thought my voting on gunny was opportunistic. How does that make sense if we're both scum?

In any case, this analyses of scumbuddying is going to be a waste of time for you. I'd much rather you discuss whether or not I am scum (of the two scumhunting techniques).

Still waiting on Vincent to finish catching up.

Gunny: whats your case on andrew?

[drmyshotgun]

He is accusing me of being guilty which is like all good buddies do.
Also, you haven't really buddied with him on Day 1. I think you are safe-distancing?

[Metabot]

Whats your case on andrew, Gunny.

[drmyshotgun]

To me, as the day was rushing to its end, Andrew seemed like he knew the outcome of our lynch on Sleepy.
I can't really give out examples, but he didn't seem very enthusiastic with Sleepy lynch.
Yeah, I thought andrew knew that Sleepy was Town all along, but didn't say squat to defend him and just threw a contributing vote to lynch and yawned to his sleep.

[andrew94]

And you ignore the fact that meta didnt seem enthusiastic about sleepy lynch either,

SCUM TEAM RIGHT THERE



and vincent, seriously??? LEARN TO READ MAN

[AcRv]

He is accusing me of being guilty which is like all good buddies do.
Also, you haven't really buddied with him on Day 1. I think you are safe-distancing?

To me, as the day was rushing to its end, Andrew seemed like he knew the outcome of our lynch on Sleepy.
I can't really give out examples, but he didn't seem very enthusiastic with Sleepy lynch.
Yeah, I thought andrew knew that Sleepy was Town all along, but didn't say squat to defend him and just threw a contributing vote to lynch and yawned to his sleep.

So you bring up reasons why you think andrew's scum. Metabot then asks you to give reasons why andrew's scum... despite you just doing it? And you don't even point this out when making your second defence.

I would have thought you would have pointed out that you gave a few reasons in that earlier post if you genuinely thought andrew was scum...