Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 5:31 am
^^ "tell me"
UNVOTE:
I like Pitoli's responses because they seem genuine.
Investigation on FF: (I hate abbreviating to FF but I can't remember how to spell the damn thing every time)
I first got an off feeling on FF on Page 2. She got an incredibly fast town read on orcinus (in #21) then followed that up by sheeping orcinus on me (#29). The reason orcinus threw my name out there was clearly arbitrary (he even admitted to that later, #40) and she sheeps him anyways. Someone kindly correct me if I'm off-base here, but I don't see the town motivation in that. Furthermore, a cursory inspection of her meta along with analysis of her play here has proved one thing: Do not, under any circumstances, underestimate this chick. She is not the type to do something without a reason, so there's a reason behind her early orc sheep. I can't think of any town reasons why she'd do this, perhaps someone can enlighten me later.
Another point against FF was pointed out by orcinus in #81. She seems to be catching on to minor inconsistencies (e.g. orcinus contradicting his intentions w.r.t. Nero, pitoli getting flak but not buldermar, etc.). Now, IMO latching onto contradictions is not itself a scumtell, but latching onto minor contradictions that have reasonably apparent explanations is. For example, she complains that people are getting onto pitoli but not buldermar (#86), which has the immediately obvious explanation of "buldermar hasn't done anything questionable and pitoli has" (#88). Why is FF latching onto these minor things? Again, a situation arises where I can't think of a town motivation for FF's actions.
Moving onward. Not a whole lot of relevance from FF until we get to the 150's range (gods, orcinus and buldermar are windy bastards), where we have this post:
↑ fferyllt wrote:I expect to get lynched early as town more than is my "normal" at MS, in part because my play style evolved elsewhere and it's going to change as I get used to this site. changes are almost always suspicious in mafia. I think my insistence on earning my reputation here instead of importing it from elsewhere is also going to cause trouble, but I'm ok with that.
The above bothers the hell out of me. Out of all the games I've played, never once have I seen self-meta come from a townie. I read the above as an excuse to why FF's play is different now than it was in prior games (she essentially tells us meta-ing her is meaningless, through self-meta). Townies fight lynches to the death, they don't just go "Oh well, my playstyle is changing, so I'll probably be lynched early a lot now, whatever". Even if a mislynch occurs, the more interactions that person had before death gives the remaining town clues as to whom to lynch next. This passive "I'm gonna die, whatever" is very anti-town.
A great deal of her following "content" involves discussing other completed games. I treated this as filler. However, one point that stuck out for me is that FF justified her townread on orc by way of her impressions gathered from his play in a prior game (#183). I think that's a load of crock. I don't care if you've played 1 game with a person or a thousand; you don't get a townread that fast. If you assume alignment based off what you've seen from someone in a prior game, you're being very sloppy with your reads. Meta is a nice bonus, certainly. Early townreads based purely off meta are unacceptable.
Most of the rest of her stuff involves Nero and buldermar. The Nero vote and unvote (#230 and #235) seems manufactured. Nero's been trolling the entire game (and indeed, the entire time he's been on MS) and now she takes him seriously? Then decides to unvote 5 posts later due to a possible buldermar conspiracy theory? What?
In short, she's inconsistent and anti-town. Looking for possible partners.
VOTE: fferyllt