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In post 267, GoodCopBadCop wrote:

In post 266, Varsoon wrote:GCBC, fluff is the stuff that takes up whole pages and says nothing.

Now, why aren't you down with the Scott wagon?

Did you read my post?

- GC

Nope.
So, why aren't you puttin votes on Scott?

In post 274, hapahauli wrote:Also Toomai,

In post 259, Varsoon wrote:

Vote: Scott

Toomai, those are the reasons why you would vote anyone.

Stuff like this doesn't cut it. While I do think you're town, this is not give you a free-pass to play sub-optimally.

I think Scott is scum.
You should, too.
I don't need to articulate why he's scum, because I think it is so and I'm town.
Why should I have to play Town convincingly when I am town?

I think Scott is scum.
You should, too.
I don't need to articulate why he's scum, because I think it is so and I'm town.

I do think Scott is scum. I'm not sure if he's more scummy than GBGC or NC though.

Why should I have to play Town convincingly when I am town?

Because we're approaching a time where we need to lobby for votes, and I'd rather not have people voting you. You gotta appease the crowd some times ya know.

Do you think that GBGC or NC would be a better flip for day 1, then?


Whoever votes for me is just wasting their vote, rather than putting it on scum and hunting scum. For those that aren't as certain about me being town as me, even if I am scum, there's at least two other scum out there, and they've probably got a lot more influence over this game than I do right now.

Regardless, if I try to make a town defense, it'll seem like artifice. I don't see any reason to defend why I'm town, since I am town.

Not sure about GBGC. He's active enough today where I think I'd give him a pass. NC is definitely a possibility though. He basically is not posting since he likes weed too much or something.

In post 275, Varsoon wrote:

In post 267, GoodCopBadCop wrote:

In post 266, Varsoon wrote:GCBC, fluff is the stuff that takes up whole pages and says nothing.

Now, why aren't you down with the Scott wagon?

Did you read my post?

- GC

Nope.
So, why aren't you puttin votes on Scott?

In post 274, hapahauli wrote:Also Toomai,

In post 259, Varsoon wrote:

Vote: Scott

Toomai, those are the reasons why you would vote anyone.

Stuff like this doesn't cut it. While I do think you're town, this is not give you a free-pass to play sub-optimally.

I think Scott is scum.
You should, too.
I don't need to articulate why he's scum, because I think it is so and I'm town.
Why should I have to play Town convincingly when I am town?

Holy shit.
VOTE: Varsoon
I'm sorry I have 0 patience for this.

That wasn't the right response acfan.

In post 280, hapahauli wrote:That wasn't the right response acfan.

Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. I'm not very good at this game after all. BUt I'm sticking to it

Now it is totally within Varsoon's right to play this game in that way, but I find the fact that he refuses to actually substantiate his claims to be just wrong. Obviously my vote is subject to change pending future postings but as of the moment I am 100% comfortable with lynching Varsoon

It sounds more that you want to lynch him out of spite for his play rather than because you think he's scum. That's not good.

The fact that Toomai is willing to do blatantly unpopular things without giving a shit about the reaction should pretty clearly tell you that he's town.

And honestly, I'd like to think I've posted enough on Scott to where the rationale for voting him should be obvious.

In post 269, hapahauli wrote:I mean honestly GC, have you looked at your partner's posting at all? Whatever IIoA means, it must apply to BC as well.

I don't know if either of can actually be described as having information.

Vasroon is definitely appealing to emotions though.

In post 277, Varsoon wrote: I am town.

UNVOTE: , VOTE: Varsoon

In post 261, hapahauli wrote:

Nic Cage

- Useless lurker showing more interest in "smoking weed" than playing the game.

Hey Judge Dredd, I didn't know you played mafia.

Varsoon, how about you stop talking about how you're town and be town instead? I have a stupid gut feeling you're town and you can help us all by not being an easy lynch target.

CHOO CHOO

VOTE: NicCage

In post 212, NicCage wrote:is original case against GCBC seems like an overreaction, and he certainly was eager to push it.

please explain how it looked like an over-reaction, more importantly what was he over-reacting to? Looking at Toomai's vote on GCBC I don't get that at all so I'd certainly like you to clarify that.[/quote]

He even defends the wagon on GCBC as being founded on his reasoning, though only he was voting for that reason. Thought that was weird.

Again, maybe I am missing it but I don't see this happening either.

His vote on me looks like a cheap sheep. He drops his case on GCBC to vote me, thinking he's sheeping everyone else, even though he actually wasn't. In fact, he's definitely

not

reading carefully, but just sheeping where it looked convenient.

I will concede that his vote looks like sheeping, but sheeping is usually a null tell.

I also have other opinions and things to answer, but I don't have time for you today. I'll try to give you more tomorrow.

This was made on Thursday, it's now Monday. how much longer you going to lurk through this game?


I have only 1 issue with Toomai and it's a legitimate one which I find kind of scummy, but it's not enough to lynch someone but i really want him to explain it better

@ Toomai, this comment about the BCGC wagon

Not sure I like how fast it built up, but as long as it doesn't go much further, I don't see the problem.

1. why did you not like the speed of it?
2. why did you not want it to go any further?
3. why did you not question any of the people who hopped on after you voted?

Lol yeah, I lied. Turns out my other opinions were wrong so I just didn't post them.
I'll probably lurk the amount I feel like lurking unless you ask me stuff, so good for you for asking.

In post 47, Toomai wrote:

In post 43, ac1983fan wrote:Voting someone because of ridiculously terrible reasoning during the RVS/ending of the RVS? it's like you've never played before

I see your point, but from my perspective it was a serious kind of bad reasoning, given that he had already placed a random vote.

He is actually serious about this being scummy.

In post 32, Toomai wrote:

In post 29, hapahauli wrote:

In post 25, Scott Brosius wrote:

Vote: GoodCopBadCop

Wagon time!

Let's not start a wagon against the biggest attention whore in the thread so far mmmmkay?

Why not? Not sure I like how fast it built up, but as long as it doesn't go much further, I don't see the problem. A bold statement was made that people don't agree with, so we put on some votes to get explanation or reaction.

The thing is, he's the only person who voted for GCBC for that bold statement. Everyone else was either RVSing or wagoning with no reasons given.

I don't think this sheeping is a null tell because he sheeped the vote, not the reasoning behind the vote.

Not getting townvibes from Varsoon.

In post 283, Cheery Pie wrote:

In post 269, hapahauli wrote:I mean honestly GC, have you looked at your partner's posting at all? Whatever IIoA means, it must apply to BC as well.

I don't know if either of can actually be described as having information.

Vasroon is definitely appealing to emotions though.

In post 277, Varsoon wrote: I am town.

UNVOTE: , VOTE: Varsoon

Eh, if I was appealing to emotions, you'd be crying as you put that vote down, your heart torn due to the cognitive dissonance of truly loving someone and thinking they are scum, wondering if this is the right thing to do, as it'll always put distance between us--what comes first? A man's duty to his people or his duty to his love?
On the real, I just said I was town.

In post 281, ac1983fan wrote:

In post 280, hapahauli wrote:That wasn't the right response acfan.

Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. I'm not very good at this game after all. BUt I'm sticking to it

Now it is totally within Varsoon's right to play this game in that way, but I find the fact that he refuses to actually substantiate his claims to be just wrong. Obviously my vote is subject to change pending future postings but as of the moment I am 100% comfortable with lynching Varsoon

You see, I held the same belief once, as well--that people who play scummy should get lynched and people who are town should be substantial with their posts and produce pro-town content. This generally led to me being a D1/D2 lynch or night-kill, with little substantial play built off of what I had posted and/or my death. As it turns out, in a town full of idiots, it's a lot better to play the idiot-savant or even the town fool. It makes people slip scum all over themselves as they point fingers at your play, which is usually not any better than most other players'.
Feel free to check my other game where I'm playing exactly the same way, except that I spent nearly four hours substantiating my claims and it got me nowhere. There's no reason to put forward tons of effort to find scum, it's far easier to let scum reveal itself.

hp [leaves wrote: post_id=4951586 time=1368446600 user_id=10128]

In post 261, hapahauli wrote:

Nic Cage

- Useless lurker showing more interest in "smoking weed" than playing the game.

Hey Judge Dredd, I didn't know you played mafia.

Varsoon, how about you stop talking about how you're town and be town instead? I have a stupid gut feeling you're town and you can help us all by not being an easy lynch target.

There's really no way to 'be town'. While it's refreshing to hear you think I'm town, it could also be seen as a buddying attempt.
Regardless, it isn't that hard. Just ISO me and you'll see that I'm pretty consistently town in this game, if disengaged and fruitless about it.

I, for one, support a Scott wagon, although it seems a bit obvious. A NC wagon would be an okay change of pace, and it'd allow NC a much-needed breather.
I think we should look at the player-base again. There's a lot of players in this game, so it'd be easy for scum to sit back and watch town go at its throats.
I find that at least one scum tends to be pretty involved with the game and they try to play town as town as they usually do. Be dubious, my friends.

In post 288, Varsoon wrote:Eh, if I was appealing to emotions, you'd be crying as you put that vote down, your heart torn due to the cognitive dissonance of truly loving someone and thinking they are scum, wondering if this is the right thing to do, as it'll always put distance between us--what comes first? A man's duty to his people or his duty to his love?
On the real, I just said I was town.

Appealing does not equal succeeding.

and I'm sure you can figure out from your previous statements of you saying you're town and my responses to them, that I don't believe you are town.

In post 283, Cheery Pie wrote:

In post 269, hapahauli wrote:I mean honestly GC, have you looked at your partner's posting at all? Whatever IIoA means, it must apply to BC as well.

I don't know if either of can actually be described as having information.

Vasroon is definitely appealing to emotions though.

In post 277, Varsoon wrote: I am town.

UNVOTE: , VOTE: Varsoon

:goodposting:

-bc

In post 289, Cheery Pie wrote:

In post 288, Varsoon wrote:Eh, if I was appealing to emotions, you'd be crying as you put that vote down, your heart torn due to the cognitive dissonance of truly loving someone and thinking they are scum, wondering if this is the right thing to do, as it'll always put distance between us--what comes first? A man's duty to his people or his duty to his love?
On the real, I just said I was town.

Appealing does not equal succeeding.

and I'm sure you can figure out from your previous statements of you saying you're town and my responses to them, that I don't believe you are town.

Well, that sucks, because I am town.

In post 287, NicCage wrote:Lol yeah, I lied. Turns out my other opinions were wrong so I just didn't post them.
I'll probably lurk the amount I feel like lurking unless you ask me stuff, so good for you for asking.

this is so town motivated that I'll give you a medal

In post 288, Varsoon wrote:There's really no way to 'be town'. While it's refreshing to hear you think I'm town, it could also be seen as a buddying attempt.
Regardless, it isn't that hard. Just ISO me and you'll see that I'm pretty consistently town in this game, if

disengaged

and

fruitless

about it.

Fix those two and you can be town again. And stop calling yourself town every chance you get.

In post 288, Varsoon wrote:Eh, if I was appealing to emotions, you'd be crying as you put that vote down, your heart torn due to the cognitive dissonance of truly loving someone and thinking they are scum, wondering if this is the right thing to do, as it'll always put distance between us--what comes first? A man's duty to his people or his duty to his love?
On the real, I just said I was town.

Throw this up on the wall next to

Celine Dion is my favorite artist

To be an example of "Things that a townie would never say"

Cheery wrote:Vasroon is definitely appealing to emotions though.

Saying "I am town" is not Ate btw.
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Hp wrote:I disagree. Driving a wagon to L-2 on page 4 is too bold for scum. We're looking for the sneaky guys here. I don't think anyone on the wagon is scum. Except Toomai

This is so wrong.
1. Scum are not always "sneaky", some play aggressively and are very vocal.
2. It's not bold to vote Cage, it's easy (not saying he's town). I could easily vote him now and no one would really care to notice.

How much experience do you have? I seriously think you're talking shit here to justify the quick waggon on Cage.

(I hate the fact that I have to defend Cage even though he's not a town read. It's because of things like this ^)

Hp wrote:Well, first, he took Cop's second RVS vote too seriously (unless Cop was also serious, which I doubt). Secondly, Cop wagon was evidently a wagon I didn't like and Toomai was on it. Thirdly, his overall play strikes me as overly cautious.

1. Taking something seriously is a scum tell? Explain this.
2. What do you mean by not liking the waggon on me? Was I town read?
3. Can you provide the examples of Toomai playing cautiously please.
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Hapa wrote:

Those are reasonable points, but why didn't you bring them up before?

You say he's worth pressuring today, yet idly stating he's suspicious twice, then not stating your rationale until I prod you about it isn't a very effective way of "going after" someone.

His reasons suck. They aren't clear enough.

Also, i've noticed that you're being way to easy on people. You should be a bit more aggressive seeing as you're generally considered town by a lot of us.

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- GC

More to come.

Cage wrote:His recent posts haven't really made me feel better about him, so jake from rainbowdash, why is it obvious that zefiend is town?

I don't like this because Zefiend seems obv town to me (by gut mostly). My gut is telling me that you're scum.
We'll see how you play.

Also, how much experience do you have as scum?
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Varsoon wrote:As of now, though? I could see scum between Dyslexicon and Daemon. I find that scum doesn't jump on early wagons so much. That said, I'm pretty sure there's gotta be some scum between the NicCage and zefiend wagons. I'm really suspicious off GoodCopBadCop, less so of Ponydash and NicCage.

I'm starting to really fucking hate reading your posts. Give reasons for why they're scum.

Even your latest posts! STOP CALLING YOURSELF TOWN, BITCH! You're nowhere near playing like town. If you're town you should be embarrassed.
/rage
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- GC

More to come.

In post 286, Jake from Rainbowdash wrote:@ Toomai, this comment about the BCGC wagon

Not sure I like how fast it built up, but as long as it doesn't go much further, I don't see the problem.

1. why did you not like the speed of it?
2. why did you not want it to go any further?
3. why did you not question any of the people who hopped on after you voted?

The comment was made at a time when I was still not completely used to the numbers in a 13-player game (having only played 9-player games previously), so I felt that 4 votes was a lot in a short time and decided to comment. Relatively soon after that (somewhat hinted at in 47) I decided that I was in the wrong about it.

I am okay with either Varsoon or NicCage being lynched; they both have a rather low signal-to-noise ratio and haven't really done much to convince me they're town.

hapahauli: I think you've been writing "Toomai" instead of "Varsoon" in a few of your recent posts (274, 282), can you make sure you aimed them correctly?

In post 293, GoodCopBadCop wrote:

In post 288, Varsoon wrote:Eh, if I was appealing to emotions, you'd be crying as you put that vote down, your heart torn due to the cognitive dissonance of truly loving someone and thinking they are scum, wondering if this is the right thing to do, as it'll always put distance between us--what comes first? A man's duty to his people or his duty to his love?
On the real, I just said I was town.

Throw this up on the wall next to

Celine Dion is my favorite artist

To be an example of "Things that a townie would never say"

Get ready to be wrong.
And my favorite artist is Soulja Boy.



Also:
Oh, GCBC, u so town.

Should'a probably spoilered that, but I don't give a fugg.


Also-also, Jake from Rainbowdash is probably scum.
Just' sayain.

Varsoon wrote:Because it'd give good info from what you've said so far and what people have responded to.

You "thinking" hapa would be an okay lynch even though he's a town read of yours is scummy. This explanation doesn't help. Wtf would you as a town player gain from a lynch of your town read? Him being conf town from death doesn't help you, you already had him as a town read.
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Hapa wrote:The problem is that you don't act as if you're a new player, and your tone implies you are semi-experienced. And for a semi-experienced player, this is as close to a "scum-slip" as you can get. Mafia want to lynch townies, and you seem to be wearing your motive on your sleeve right now.

Also a couple of more things about this post: concrete reads are worthless without rationale. This is literally a worthless way of contributing since it's impossible to hold you accountable for anything.

Furthermore, I haven't seen this lynching-for-information stuff in any of your past town games I've read so far.

Why did you unvote him?
Why didn't you re-vote him?

- GC

Later, bored.