But for serious GM this is better from you appreciate a different point of view on him... and it helps that the out come is the same as my theories on him.
It be great if you could do something similar for other suspect people in the game
You've taken a wee shuffle from null to slight townread in my books
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:25 pm
by goodmorning
Really? Most of the points were ones I'd made or at least implied already.
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:34 pm
by TheGarantula
Yeah, all he did was reiterate his own quotes to show that he'd been involved with Cabd for a while. He didn't actually make new points :p
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:42 pm
by Guyett
*she.... I'm sorry I'm not sober... I shall cast my eyes over GM's posts again
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:52 pm
by Guyett
Ok so you have done a lot of work on cabd... much of which I agree with. Any chance on a similar amount of work on others? theeeeeeeenks
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:07 pm
by goodmorning
In post 278, TheGarantula wrote:Yeah, all he did was reiterate his own quotes to show that he'd been involved with Cabd for a while. He didn't actually make new points :p
I think there may have been one new one.
In post 280, Guyett wrote:Ok so you have done a lot of work on cabd... much of which I agree with. Any chance on a similar amount of work on others? theeeeeeeenks
In post 280, Guyett wrote:Ok so you have done a lot of work on cabd... much of which I agree with. Any chance on a similar amount of work on others? theeeeeeeenks
It's possible. Or you could.
see post 271
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:31 pm
by bestwillcui
@Guyett if I were town and one of the people not currently voting for me was scum, they probably wouldn't hammer without reason, as they would probably get ly Cher the next day.
And guys, please don't hammer me until I roleclaim.
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:45 pm
by ryhx
In post 268, TheGarantula wrote:If someone got quickhammered without being allowed to respond I think the voter would be pretty quickly bandwagoned the next day, if even only out of policy.
Makes sense, though part of me still feels like 'but what if by then its too late' and would seem better to not leave that up to scum (or dumb newb). But I don't want to start some kind of debate about this here, thanks for answering my question
Spoiler: @Guyett:
In post 271, Guyett wrote:ryhx - nice logical post, some of it is reiterating what others have said and some of it is new. Its refreshing to get a new point of view. More in depth on some people and a bit light on others.
Well, you can't be the first to post everything. Anyway, this is more game theory but its my undertanding that its better not to overly elaborate on who is really town, so I err that way.
In post 271, Guyett wrote:regarding your comment on me being non-committal is me just being realistic, I've said who I suspect is scum but in reality the scum aren't always the people who come across as the scummiest. some people are very good at hiding their true alignment and others are town just playing a bad game. Asking for readings is useful as they can give away scumtells.
I understand your point, my point is that such things need not be said. Basically the sum of your post said 'i think A, B & C, but oh wait it could be any one of the other guys too because', which strikes me as either content masquerading or just covering your ass by not committing. But I'll concede your subsequent posts are better.
In post 271, Guyett wrote:You made a very interesting observation regarding Best at L-1 and why he hasn't been hammered.... If he is town scum would have hammered him by now unless 2 of the 4 people voting for him are scum. If he is scum then the other scum could have already voted for him to blend in or they are unwilling to hammer him. I'm leaning towards him being scum as if he was town he'd be gone by now imo.
I wasn't making any such point actually.
Spoiler: @goodmorning:
In post 272, goodmorning wrote:It's not really IC-me, just me in general. Defense is kind of a specialty of mine, and at times I tend to neglect my offense. It's a bad habit.
I think its just the mechanics posts that ICs make. Makes you feel distant and the impression of posting without posting about the game itself.
Let me try it this way: it's not about anything Cabd did in the interim, it's about Feg.
Or in other words, it's not that Cabd went down the ladder, it's that Feg went a bit up.
Oh. I'm only capable of thinking in one direction :/ And I didn't think about your points made on Cabd before your vote, only the lack of after your vote.
You're not a verbose, wall-of-text scumhunter kinda gal, I like that (because its different). But I'm a dense sort of person, I see now your vote on Cabd, but then could you elaborate what about Feg's one post made him go up the ladder?
@Best: Really...do something, anything. Vote your scummiest.
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:53 pm
by goodmorning
Basically he answered capably enough to clear up most of the points of contention I had with him, and a shift in gut had a bit to do with that. He's still in my scumpool though (a fancy way of saying "scummiest ranked (# of mafia in the game +1)" or, for this setup "the bottom 3")
I really need to go to sleep. The readslist is half done. I will likely be busy most of tomorrow, but it should get done anyway.
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 7:31 pm
by TheGarantula
In post 284, ryhx wrote:Well, you can't be the first to post everything. Anyway, this is more game theory but its my undertanding that its better not to overly elaborate on who is really town, so I err that way.
I also feel like I read this at some point, but I don't really understand why it would help scum in a newbie game. They already know who is town so it doesn't really tell them anything, meanwhile it helps with process of elimination for town.
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 7:54 pm
by goodmorning
Some schools of thought claim that explicitly stating reads helps Scum decide who to NK/mislynch.
The problem with that is twofold:
1. Town is then left with even less to go on, since not taking a position means you don't have to make sense really and since not taking a position greatly decreases content input;
2. Scum can pretty much tell who's more dangerous and who'd be mislynch fodder regardless.
This is why I like to elaborate lots.
Hopefully this post is coherent, I tried to proofread it but it's giving me a headache and blahhhhhhhhhhhh 3am posting (DON'T DO IT)
Does it even answer any questions? I DON'T KNOW
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:04 pm
by Cabd
So hi guys. Apparently the server ate some of the posts in this game....
I was asking GM some quesitons but now I forget what they were....
Time for a re-read I guess.
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:13 pm
by bestwillcui
Wait, what happened to the server thing?
Oh, and I asked, "Are we allowed to breadcrumb in this game?" or something along those lines.
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:15 pm
by Cabd
The server seems to have rolled back a few hours worth of posts. The mod will deal with this as he sees fit, so hang tight for now.
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:50 pm
by Nobody Special
Nothing to deal with. I don't have copies of them.
Carry on as best you can.
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:51 pm
by Cabd
Can we get an extension for the duration of the outage, please?
That said, today was gonna be my ISO day.
Uh..... Well, GM, You mind talking to me ffery-conversational style?
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 4:41 pm
by TheGarantula
In post 289, bestwillcui wrote:Oh, and I asked, "Are we allowed to breadcrumb in this game?" or something along those lines.
Why would you want to breadcrumb? Breadcrumbing can only benefit scum.
I'm guessing Cabd means specifically that it is a PR slip. Because PRs breadcrumb their roles.
I personally would disagree with that assessment because I think he'd have brought it up sooner if he were.
My expanded readslist got lost; I'll try to do it tomorrow.
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 4:59 pm
by Nobody Special
I will extend the deadline by 24 hours to compensate for the server shutdown.
New Deadline: (expired on 2013-06-28 02:37:53)
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:07 pm
by TheGarantula
I'm curious, not arguing btw.
I remember responding to bestwillcui's post about breadcrumbs before but I don't remember anything after that last I had checked. What all was posted?
P-Edit:
@goodmorning: What can breadcrumbing do for town? Isn't the idea that town can use it as evidence of their roles? If so, scum can fake it easily. They also can use it to communicate on the downlow.
In post 292, Cabd wrote:Uh..... Well, GM, You mind talking to me ffery-conversational style?
I don't know what you mean by that.
(I do know who you're referring to though.)
I'm guessing Cabd means specifically that it is a PR slip. Because PRs breadcrumb their roles.
I personally would disagree with that assessment because I think he'd have brought it up sooner if he were.
My expanded readslist got lost; I'll try to do it tomorrow.
Newb-Townie gets to L-1 with no other case in sight from their POV. They ask if they can roleclaim and then people tell them nobody has declared intent to hammer. They look for alternative ways to claim without claiming. That smells pretty fucking town to me.
ALso I mean as in I like having somebody to chat with and converse with on thread, talking over each post as I go. Like, say, tomorrow or so. I just prefer somebody I'm town-reading so you or best will do, but you're obviously more experienced.
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appreciate a different point of view on him... and it helps that the out come is the same as my theories on him. 
