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Post Post #275 (ISO) » Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:22 am

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Kelly, that was exactly my point about Aureal and bandwagons. Thank you for seeing that and voting for me for other reasons, which I still see as only being "gut feeling" :p

So Aureal, until you find a good reason to vote for me, you can try unvoting me because otherwise it just looks like you're joining yet another bandwagon.

@chamber, I'm glad you were kinda defending me, but I don't get the logic in
its not a slip up when hes right
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Not voting - 3 (ryanjunk, Centoaph, doublehelix)

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Post Post #276 (ISO) » Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:42 pm

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Did you not see where I pointed out that I basically
started
those wagons? How can you say I bandwagon hop when there weren't bandwagons to hop onto yet? And I don't think that voting three people over the course of two days is excessive.
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Post Post #277 (ISO) » Fri Apr 07, 2006 3:08 am

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Aureal wrote:Did you not see where I pointed out that I basically
started
those wagons? How can you say I bandwagon hop when there weren't bandwagons to hop onto yet? And I don't think that voting three people over the course of two days is excessive.
Because starting bandwagons against townies(pro-town players) based on paranoid theories is so much better then joining on later.
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Post Post #278 (ISO) » Fri Apr 07, 2006 4:24 am

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I've been way too lazy lately. Sorry about that. VC at the top of the page.

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Post Post #279 (ISO) » Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:59 am

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chamber wrote:Because starting bandwagons against townies(pro-town players) based on paranoid theories is so much better then joining on later.
Care to explain how you know that they're all pro-town? Last I checked, Lenneth/helix was not dead. :roll:
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Post Post #280 (ISO) » Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:12 am

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doublehelix is essentially dead, and therefore might require a prod.
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Oh and Aureal, to me bandwagons are bad. I tend to stay away from them all the time. That's why I see you as suspicious. But please, I'm hoping that you've gotten more evidence/tells since you voted me, so please share them. I want to make sure you're getting the most out of your vote.

I'm getting worried that chamber is being so fierce in defending me that he's trying to get me to join the Centoaph wagon. I don't think I'm that worthy of being defended and chamber's logic in defending me hasn't been the best. As such,
FOS: chamber


I thought that Centoaph and ryanjunk are voting chamber.
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Post Post #281 (ISO) » Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:24 am

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I unvoted. While i still think some of what he said/did was scummy, that doesn't add up to him actually being scum. Now that we've both said our piece, i'd rather not have my vote on someone whos still getting lots of attention, so if i dont check in often enough, its not used as part of a lynch/wagon I dont fully support.
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Post Post #282 (ISO) » Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:33 am

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Okay, checked back, my mistake. Both unvoted.
Aureal post 58 wrote:So, Lenneth-chamber-Centoaph scum team? What do the rest of you think?
Aureal, would you mind updating your thoughts on your scum team? And stating that three are scum so early is never good. Please explain how the ties between those three have been removed in your eyes or if they haven't.

I no longer have a good sense on ryanjunk and I don't think it's the right play for today, therefore
Unvote: ryanjunk
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Post Post #283 (ISO) » Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:55 pm

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Okay, game is stalling. And we were just getting somewhere even if it meant piling votes onto me.

We need to focus on a certain set of people so that we can be sure that we have the right people in our sights before the deadline. I'm sure I need to be in that group and I think Centoaph and chamber also belong in the group only because of their fight and previous vote totals. If there are other people that need to be in between the crosshairs, we should start bringing up those arguments now. I just don't want to see something like last day where we started trying to build up votes on ML or chamber last minute and didn't have enough support to create a counter-bandwagon.
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Post Post #284 (ISO) » Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:39 pm

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Again we seem to have a few people doing the brunt of the talking, so of course they seem scummiest...it's hard to make a case against someone when they havent actually said anything.


vote: Medictaed Lain


There have plenty of things to talk about today, and you haven't said a single thing about any of them. You pulled the same thing yesterday. It reeks to me.

If I had 2 votes, the other would be on helix.
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Post Post #285 (ISO) » Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:46 pm

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@lurkers. how about listing who you think is suspicious and why
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Post Post #286 (ISO) » Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:29 am

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pablito wrote:Oh and Aureal, to me bandwagons are bad. I tend to stay away from them all the time. That's why I see you as suspicious.
I hope you do realize that this is a matter of opinion, don't you? There are people with all sorts of opinions on bandwagons. Some people don't like them, some people go out of their way to make them. Personally, I don't like
random
bandwagonning, but bandwagonning for cause is a quite different story. Because really, a bandwagon is just a large collection of votes, and if nobody ever collected a large amount of votes, there would never be any lynches. And that just wouldn't work.

I don't really think that starting bandwagons is suspicious. It's not a bandwagon when it's starting, it's one vote and a reason. I have no control over what other people do. If other people joined in to make it a bandwagon, then clearly that reason must have had some sort of merit to it.
Aureal, would you mind updating your thoughts on your scum team? And stating that three are scum so early is never good. Please explain how the ties between those three have been removed in your eyes or if they haven't.
This seems a rather odd thing to ask about now. Obviously they're probably not all together, since we have a dead scum already in Vaughn. I don't see any of them as being cleared, though. Any one or two of them could still have been his partners.
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Post Post #287 (ISO) » Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:22 pm

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Okay I think I'm going to stop suspecting Aureal. I very much like what she's said the entire time I've attacked her.

I think
Vote: doublehelix
will do until we see helix or a replacement.
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Post Post #288 (ISO) » Tue Apr 11, 2006 1:50 am

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doublehelix has asked to be replaced
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Post Post #289 (ISO) » Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:44 am

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Unvote: doublehelix
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Post Post #290 (ISO) » Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:09 am

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This makes me think that something about Lenneth's role really sucks.


I still suspect pablito, even for his last post. "I think I'm going to stop suspecting Aureal" makes it sound like he has conscious control over who he suspects.

The effort to get lurkers to contribute is useful, although I also wonder if pablito and Centoaph might be working together to get the town onto something else.
pablito wrote:I'm getting worried that chamber is being so fierce in defending me that he's trying to get me to join the Centoaph wagon. I don't think I'm that worthy of being defended and chamber's logic in defending me hasn't been the best. As such, FOS: chamber
Hmm, does it seem like chamber might be doing this? I'm not so sure.
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Post Post #291 (ISO) » Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:27 am

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Kelly Chen wrote:
pablito wrote:I'm getting worried that chamber is being so fierce in defending me that he's trying to get me to join the Centoaph wagon. I don't think I'm that worthy of being defended and chamber's logic in defending me hasn't been the best. As such, FOS: chamber
Hmm, does it seem like chamber might be doing this? I'm not so sure.
I'm not (don't know if I said so before) I don't defend people to get on there good side, I defend them because I think they are town.
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Post Post #292 (ISO) » Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:11 am

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You think I'm town. Why chamber? I've been doing a lot to try to attract attention, what makes you think I'm town aside from me defending you once? I want to see your analysis on me.
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Post Post #293 (ISO) » Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:57 am

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pablito wrote:You think I'm town. Why chamber? I've been doing a lot to try to attract attention, what makes you think I'm town aside from me defending you once? I want to see your analysis on me.
I have no analysis to provide.
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Post Post #294 (ISO) » Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:26 pm

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Sorry for neglecting this game, I don't really have a good reason for doing so. General thoughts: I'm still most suspicious of Cento; Pablito is moderate on my scumminess scale, below both Cento and ryanjunk; I believe Chamber is town; Aureal seems fairly town to me; I'm willing to lynch Pablito if that's our main option, but I'm not sure he's the best lynch at all. More at a later date, I'm low on analytic energy right now.
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Post Post #295 (ISO) » Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:43 pm

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@KC, Yes, I'm deciding to not suspect Aureal. Perhaps bad wording, but I intend to counter all my suspicious thoughts of Aureal. Instead of acting on those impulses right away, I'm going to place them in the back of my mind so that I can focus on other people.

In other words, I'm giving Aureal a pass for now. I tend to give passes a lot. Usually those passes are on people that are being bandwagoned (ie: my earlier pass but later revoked on orbiting). and oh yeah, I gave a pass to ML for the while, and I'm being suspected for that.

I'm going to give my list of suspicion right now but without heavy evidence. Ask and I'll give them though, but it's early and I need bed.

1. ryanjunk - too squeaky clean and general distrust
2. Aureal - (pass given)
3. centoaph - the either or situation
4. chamber - logic makes no sense
5. Medicated Lain - (pass given due to Vaughn's scuminess)
6. doublehelix/Lenneth/replacement - lurker
7. KC - OMGUS - otherwise she makes a lot of sense.
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Post Post #296 (ISO) » Wed Apr 12, 2006 1:50 am

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4. chamber - logic makes no sense
Can you even call this logic? I feel like it's more: "'cause I SAID so! No, I don't have any reason."
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Post Post #297 (ISO) » Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:28 am

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Heh. So I'm at the top of your scum-list for "acting too much like a townie"? With a secondary reason of "I'd like to get rid of him"? You've been skirting my scumdar for a while now, but you've taken the cake on that one.
Vote: pablito


I also find it odd that you said you "didn't have a good sense" on me earlier, now I'm suddenly right back at the top of the list. In the absence of my having posted something incredibly scummy (do point out if you think I have done, but you've said I'm "squeaky clean" so I doubt you have anything), this is weird. It seems like you wanted to disassociate from suspecting me when it made you look good, and now that the game's lagging you see another chance to start up a wagon on a townie.

Flip-flop, flip-flop, poor logic (I'm still boggling that you suspect me for "being too much like a townie"), hence my vote.
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Post Post #298 (ISO) » Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:17 am

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Aureal wrote:
4. chamber - logic makes no sense
Can you even call this logic? I feel like it's more: "'cause I SAID so! No, I don't have any reason."
its not more like that, its exactly like that.
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Post Post #299 (ISO) » Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:47 am

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ryanjunk, how opportunistic of you. You voted me and you question my reasoning but you did NOT ask for further explanation even though I stated that I would be very willing to give it. That sounds like scum jumping to an easy bandwagon once again. People, do you not notice that I'm posting so much and trying to attract attention. I'm giving you information and there are so many lurkers who we need to press for information.

Furthermore, ryan, just because I posted my list, it doesn't mean that it was a list of people I will pursue today. I unvoted you because I don't think you're the right play today, you were always at the top of my list. I find you scummy but on gut reasons only, hence I don't have a good sense of you. I tend to find people on bandwagons against pro-towns scummy and those avoiding them relatively safe. I stated this before with Aureal that I don't like bandwagons. Once it's proven that you've jumped once again on a pro-town player for pretty bad reasons, it will show that you're scum. But right now, you've left such a clean slate that I can't accuse you. A lot of my suspicion on you relies on who you've accused so far.
I feel a lot of them have been pro-town
, but only Orbiting has been confirmed and therefore I have no evidence. <<<For those who want to accuse me, this is a good statement to counter.

Where did I say "I want to get rid of him?". I thought I've been clear that the focus for today should be on chamber, Centoaph and me. but now Cento wants to see ML as well. I'm saving you for later, don't worry, your time will come.

As for my bandwagon, I'm glad we're getting somewhere even if it means attacking me. Note that I do not suspect KC, but it's also very interesting to note that none of my other three voters suspected me until AFTER I made some questionable statement about them or I suspected them. I'm acting aggressive but all I'm getting are OMGUS votes. And I think OMGUS is often scummy too.

I'm glad we've all come to a consensus on chamber and the non-use of logic. What it means, I don't know.
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