Yay I didn't want to already disagree about who we were voting!
VOTE: Elleheathen
*barks*
tierce wrote:2) No read on me? Bad wolf.
*takes time sniffing cautiously*
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:34 pm
by Eddard Stark
Word Count of A Song of Ice and Fire Novels
A Game of Thrones: 298k
A Clash of kings: 326k
A Storm of Swords: 424k
A Feast for Crows: 300k
A Dance with Dragons: 422k
Total: 1M 770k
If there are any VC mistakes please let me know
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:37 pm
by quadz08
andy if you are faking this post restriction I am going to kick you in the goddamn teeth next time I'm in seattle
Yay I didn't want to already disagree about who we were voting!
VOTE: Elleheathen
*barks*
This is completely to be expected from Empire. Tammy and I know what he was doing with that first vote, and I can tell you it's probably null (because he knows we know and thus would duplicate it, etc. But he was talking the thread to post as soon as the game opened, and that looks
awesome
because Empire hasn't played scum in ages and would be more cautious as such. Plus he had a
Yes. There's townslips and scumslips.
But this was neither. It wasn't accidental. I
meant
to say wight as a reference that fit the scenario of a slot that was vacant as of yet. In hindsight, probably wasn't all that smart but wasn't thinking about how it'd be perceived as alignments or how it'd get turned around like this.
In post 235, PrideandJoy wrote:Mainly because since being voted, all Ella has done is react to her wagon, not scumhunt at all.
Meh, truth. My 163 and 201 is me trying, to no avail since neither of the questions were answered. But most of the scumhunting going on here is meta-based and I haven't played with a single person here - nor do I get insta-reads so I'm more conservative with (and prefer more conviction behind) my reads.
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:52 pm
by Andrius
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:54 pm
by Andrius
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:00 pm
by Shadoweh
I'm guessing Andrius isn't the man of my dreams either >_>
I think I might dislike SSK as a posting style. Will put judgement pending there.
to say wight as a reference that fit the scenario of a slot that was vacant as of yet. In hindsight, probably wasn't all that smart but wasn't thinking about how it'd be perceived as alignments or how it'd get turned around like this.
If you're town you shouldn't be thinking about how it'd be perceived anyways. Don't you think you did a good job kickstarting the voting engines?
Super sleepy gonna coma crash but first vote moving to something more productive:
##Vote: Quadz
Way too many non-sequitors not enough lynching mafias. Also don't like the unvote, you were convinced way too easily to drop something you thought was a slip.
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:25 pm
by Cephrir
The accuracy of scumslips I've seen on MS is probably south of the accuracy you'd get choosing lynches at random. I don't know why anyone still pursues them.
In post 196, kanyeknowsbest wrote:the important thing about this is that he realized what i was doing but for some reason veered off onto a completely innocuous cephrir??? thjats the root of my issue w. the goat
Saw what you were doing - and appreciated it, it gave you townpoints - but disagreed that it was worth a vote (and, unlike Cephrir, we had more posts to consider by that point). Cephrir came in, had to have seen that you were already creating an issue and, considering that town's goal early on is to do as much as possible to facilitate reads rather than prolong randomness, should have reacted to your vote but chose not to.
That's the thinking. It's thinking that doesn't catch scum as ofted as it deserves to, because lots of people don't think properly about what they should be doing as town, but it was a good place to start. Cephrir might be town after a couple of more recent posts, however - we're considering whether or not we want to keep our vote here.
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:23 pm
by Goat on a Raft
*often
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:30 pm
by Cephrir
Honestly I'm still not really sure what you expected me to do there, but I also don't really care.
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:33 pm
by Goat on a Raft
A vote on PrideandJoy probably would have been the most productive thing, but a "I don't think that's a reason to vote PrideandJoy" or similar would have sufficed. Our #6 put a second vote down for the same sort of reason.
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 11:58 pm
by StupendousMan
UNVOTE: VOTE: Quadz
Lots of fluff posting without much content. His vote/unvote of elle seemed really awkward. However, at this point it's mostly a gut read. I still have some reading to do, so this may change.
Don't know where I want to move it to. Why are you so concerned about that particular vote if you don't care? And if this is Dan, why are you concerned about that vote in particular if you've only read three pages?
And if this is Dan, please to be reading shadoweh before I spiral myself into insanity.
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:32 am
by Tammy
In post 285, Shadoweh wrote:I'm guessing Andrius isn't the man of my dreams either >_>
I just couldn't keep that vote up in good conscience after reading his stuff.
In post 243, Tammy wrote:But I also don't think much of the quadz wagon. However, he's easy to read, yeah? Empire? I mean I know you guys are voting there, but he doesn't seem off the wall to me?
I remember not too long after #194, Llamarble pointed it out to me and we both had the same kneejerk "WOW LOOK AT THE OBVSCUM" reaction. I'll do my best to sum up our AIM convo about quadz but it basically ended up resulting in this:
-> Llamarble found the post scummy because something either is a slip or it isn't; he found the "this looks like a slip" comment to be scummy because scum want to go after things that :look like: slips in order to bolster the credibility of their votes and make them appear more believable.
-> I hate to use the "o" word here, but personally, I found his vote opportunistic given the above "slip" logic. Scum tend to care a lot more about making sure their actions appear justified in the eyes of everyone at large so I feel like he shoved the slip logic in there for that reason.
-> Shadoweh already pointed it out, but I really dislike his unvote in #213. Seems more like a backpedal after he began drawing some heat for it rather than it being a genuine "my bad". #227 doesn't make sense either since there's plenty of scum motivation in unvoting once something like 4 people react to the vote negatively.
As far as elleheathen goes, both of us really disliked #110 -- lots of stuff had happened between that post and her first one, so her coming returning to the thread again only to comment on a fairly throwaway post by PB was fairly shitty. Llamarble also thought her responses to the wagon felt like scum responses ("huh what I do" -> "that's not worth voting me for", which I agree because it implies that the conclusion, e.g. that she herself is scum, is true). However, #282 seemed townish to me and I want to give your game a good once over since I didn't really follow it while it was ongoing (and I definitely want to get 'marble's second opinion as well). The "Wight" discussion went way over my head because I know almost nothing about the flavor and it completely slipped my mind to ask Llamarble what that was all about >_>
In post 247, Tierce wrote:I had hoped Empire would draw scum for my long-delayed revenge.
Oh you have absolutely no idea how much I was dreading opening that PM box and I think the sheer force of my sigh of relief when I saw I was town caused extensive property damage to my immediate area. Plus, you know I wouldn't be posting as scum as I'd have already drowned in an ocean of my own tears so I'm pretty obvtown already.
In post 288, Goat on a Raft wrote:Saw what you were doing - and appreciated it, it gave you townpoints - but disagreed that it was worth a vote (and, unlike Cephrir, we had more posts to consider by that point). Cephrir came in, had to have seen that you were already creating an issue and, considering that town's goal early on is to do as much as possible to facilitate reads rather than prolong randomness, should have reacted to your vote but chose not to.
If you saw the PAJ wagon as a good thing, what do you think about chesskid's responses to the wagon?
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@Cephrir:
What was the comment directed at Shadoweh in #77 ("Keep this up") for?
Also, I don't think Shadoweh is doing what you think she is doing but I'll talk about that later.
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People who will be undergoing the Intense Meta Examination in the next few days:
quadz (at Tierce's request)
elleheathen (because Tammy vouches for her scum game and I want to take a look at it myself)
Amrun (I agree that her early catch-up seemed like her pointing out "things-that-look-bad-but-aren't-really" but I vaguely remember her doing stuff like this pretty frequently as town in game's of hers I've followed and I remember her being a lot more sideline-y in Balto Meet as scum, not as cocky/aggressive as she appears here)
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:10 am
by Tammy
What did you think about him making a meta reference concerning me and the difference in behavior in his experience?
Also, do you have a read on shadoweh yet?
I'm going to just stop worrying about this shadoweh thing (yeah right ha!) as I just remembered that faraday once put two flavor cops on the innocent team, so it's not out of the realm of possibility were both still town. And I guess she could not even be hinting at what she's hinting, but that would be weird. So, I'm going to try to reread when I get home from work today while not focusing on this and going nuts.
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:15 am
by Alfred Borden
In post 296, Tammy wrote:What did you think about him making a meta reference concerning me and the difference in behavior in his experience?
Also, do you have a read on shadoweh yet?
The meta reference thing didn't really resonate with me here because it's pretty easy for an experienced player to fake and there wasn't a whole lot of meat to it.
As far as Shadoweh goes, not really. Too early for it and I frankly don't trust my ability to read her.
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:41 am
by quadz08
In post 285, Shadoweh wrote:##Vote: Quadz
Way too many non-sequitors not enough lynching mafias. Also don't like the unvote, you were convinced way too easily to drop something you thought was a slip.
By non-sequiturs, could you possibly be referring to me
responding to what was happening in the thread at the time of each post
? What a concept, I know. In regards to the unvote, I try to play fast and loose for the most part. I don't think too hard about my posts or reads (with the exception of lategame when I have enough information to make more thought worthwhile), and saying THIS IS A SCUMSLIP then realizing (with help from the thread) that it proooobably wasn't and saying so seems pretty reasonable to me.
Lots of fluff posting without much content. His vote/unvote of elle seemed really awkward. However, at this point it's mostly a gut read. I still have some reading to do, so this may change.
see above
In post 295, Alfred Borden wrote:
I remember not too long after #194, Llamarble pointed it out to me and we both had the same kneejerk "WOW LOOK AT THE OBVSCUM" reaction. I'll do my best to sum up our AIM convo about quadz but it basically ended up resulting in this:
-> Llamarble found the post scummy because something either is a slip or it isn't; he found the "this looks like a slip" comment to be scummy because scum want to go after things that :look like: slips in order to bolster the credibility of their votes and make them appear more believable.
-> I hate to use the "o" word here, but personally, I found his vote opportunistic given the above "slip" logic. Scum tend to care a lot more about making sure their actions appear justified in the eyes of everyone at large so I feel like he shoved the slip logic in there for that reason.
-> Shadoweh already pointed it out, but I really dislike his unvote in #213. Seems more like a backpedal after he began drawing some heat for it rather than it being a genuine "my bad". #227 doesn't make sense either since there's plenty of scum motivation in unvoting once something like 4 people react to the vote negatively.
-> This is dumb as shit, and there's not much more to it. I said "it looks like a scumslip" as opposed to "it is a scumslip"
because it looked like a scumslip
. I would be much more suspicious of someone who waltzed in with "THAT IS A SCUMSLIP" than "THAT LOOKS LIKE A SCUMSLIP." Boils down to a difference in communication styles.
-> K
-> See response to Shadoweh above. Also, you make a fair point with regards to 227, but I think that scum-me would have kept pushing on that in that situation. It would've been an easy thing to keep harping on and given myself something to do. I usually have trouble on Day 1 (seriously, I get lynched on D1 all the time as both alignments), and I think it's likely because I find the information from D1, with no flips to go on, incredibly difficult to work with.
Now that I'm done with that, readz.
Goat looks town.
Tammy / Shadoweh's whole FIND ME A MAN BIT is mostly ignorable, but the fact that they both seem to be softing the same thing is interesting.
I am extremely concerned that Andy is scum faking a Post Restriction, but that's :tinfoil: and has nothing substantiating it.
Alfred Borden seems town.
p&j remains town
kanye is probtown
Amrun leaning scum
Zdenek feels scummy
no one else has made an impression on me.
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:45 am
by Goat on a Raft
Had interpreted the below as an explicit denial of having a serious post restriction. Correct us if we're wrong, Andy:
