Mini 309, Mordor Mafia--Game over!


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Post Post #275 (ISO) » Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:09 pm

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Oh, and it's worth pointing out that if we lynch wrong today and there are two mafia left, the mafia win if they successfully kill tonight and none of them die. So if there's a vig out there, it's almost certainly worth vigging, and the doc might want to consider risking not protecting me to make the mafia second-guess themselves.
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Post Post #276 (ISO) » Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:58 pm

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vote: stikey


btw, if u wanna know why my activity and play has been changing, I just recently found out that I wasn't the role I thought I was. I had been playing the entire game based on one role when I was actually another. Not that my alignment changed, but what I was capable of certainly did.
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Post Post #277 (ISO) » Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:59 pm

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Norinel:

You mean you investigated Twomz, not Vyolynce, right? Because that's what you said before.

MoS:

Is there any reason why you've voted for me (without explanation, as you've tended to do with almost every vote you've cast so far?)

Also, I'm reasonably certain that what you've said about finding out that you weren't the role you thought you were makes no sense at all.
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Post Post #278 (ISO) » Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:56 am

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Confirm Vote: MoS


Also, I will be away for the weekend, leaving friday afternoon and returning sunday afternoon. Just wanted to let you know.
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Post Post #279 (ISO) » Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:57 am

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stikey wrote:Norinel:

You mean you investigated Twomz, not Vyolynce, right? Because that's what you said before.

MoS:

Is there any reason why you've voted for me (without explanation, as you've tended to do with almost every vote you've cast so far?)

Also, I'm reasonably certain that what you've said about finding out that you weren't the role you thought you were makes no sense at all.
i'm voting you for the reasons so nicely presented by evilandy on the previous page. Also, how does it not make sense? Seems pretty clear to me. I thought I was one role, but in fact I am another. That's all there is to it...
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Post Post #280 (ISO) » Thu Jun 08, 2006 11:49 am

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[quote="stikey"]Norinel:

You mean you investigated Twomz, not Vyolynce, right? Because that's what you said before./quote]

Right, sorry; thought I investigated the arrow victims both times for some reason.
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Post Post #281 (ISO) » Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:30 pm

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I was wondering how you got an innocent on the SK.
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Post Post #282 (ISO) » Fri Jun 09, 2006 9:34 pm

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Ugh, I'm confussed. Its been a long game.

Vyolynce was an SK who was not investigated. Twomz was a roleblocker who was innocent.

So we know we have another innocent (not MoS) and I'm hoping it is not me. If it is Stikey I'd really like to know. Maybe we should be asking for roleclaims!?!
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Post Post #283 (ISO) » Sat Jun 10, 2006 11:15 pm

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If it was Stikey I imagine Norinel would've already told us by now.
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Post Post #284 (ISO) » Sat Jun 10, 2006 11:41 pm

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You are right. But I'm starting to get swayed by the tide against MoS.

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Post Post #285 (ISO) » Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:16 am

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These last two posts by andy seem very fishy to me. In post 282, he's admitting to being confused (something that doesn't gel at all with how I've seen his typical play style to be) and he's putting out feelers for a full roleclaim (perhaps to out a doctor and therefore solidify a mafia victory?) Note that he's not stating that he thinks we should ask for a roleclaim (assertiveness seems to be typical behavior for andy) but rather is just throwing the idea out there.

He and Spamwise then seem to play off each other to allow evilandy to vote for MoS.

Again, I still think that MoS is the best lynch target today (since he's been suspicious pretty much all game and avoided being lynched yesterday due to MasterChief's ugh-worthy play) but andy's been setting off alarm bells. MoS, you're at lynch-1; you should role-claim now if you're going to avoid being hammered.
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Post Post #286 (ISO) » Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:43 am

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@Stikey: You are right to some extent. It just seems to me that this game is almost dead. I suggested the role claim on Wednesday and got not a single response.

So I wanted to push MoS, who seems to be the favoutite at the moment, into making one.
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Post Post #287 (ISO) » Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:32 pm

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SpamWise wrote:If it was Stikey I imagine Norinel would've already told us by now.
I'd rather we decide whether or not to lynch MoS today before I make a conclusive statement on it.

I also think MoS should at least more directly address the points against him, or at most claim. The role mistake thing sounds like it could be an excuse, especially when the ethics of something very similar is being discussed in MD. Would it harm to say the role he thought he had?
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Post Post #288 (ISO) » Sun Jun 11, 2006 10:55 pm

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Vote:Mastermind of Sin


I hope you guys have figured out by now.
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Post Post #289 (ISO) » Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:09 pm

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Norinel wrote:Oh, and it's worth pointing out that if we lynch wrong today and there are two mafia left, the mafia win if they successfully kill tonight and none of them die. So if there's a vig out there, it's almost certainly worth vigging, and the doc might want to consider risking not protecting me to make the mafia second-guess themselves.
But there are only two scum left!
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Post Post #290 (ISO) » Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:19 am

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I think that's a lynch... can we get a votecount?
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Post Post #291 (ISO) » Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:18 am

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Vote count:
MoS(4),stikey, ubertimmy, evilandy, SpamWise

stikey(1)MoS
Not voting:Norinel
The town came up once again. This time MoS was under suspicion. After a while the Town decides he is a proper lynch. Commander Kavilurz prepares his spear and executes MoS. Unfortunately his name was Gaargod Stonebreaker and he was the
Orcish Veteran/vigilante, lynched on day 3

All of the sudden evilandy and SpamWise take out hidden bows and start firing at stikey and Norinel. stikey, whose real name was Grunk the Orcish Medic died at once. Barghúl the Horrible, the Netherworld Informant also known as Norinel was just about to escape when ubertimmy clubbed him to death.
MAFIA, ubertimmy, evilandy and SpamWise win!
stikey, Orcish Medic/doc killed in endgame
Norinel, Netherworld Informant/cop killed in endgame

EOG comments coming soon along with roles.
I hope my amatuer modding didn´t ruin the game for you people.
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Post Post #292 (ISO) » Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:49 am

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Roles
ubertimmy:Elvish Prince, Godfather immune to investigations
evilandy, SpamWise:Elven Agents, Mafia Goons
chaotic_diablo, Masterchief(N_lich):Orcish Labourers, townies
Lloyd, starkmoon:Orcish Soldiers, townies
Norinel:Netherworld Informant, sane cop
stikey(Alexander):Orcish Medic, unselfprotecting doctor
Mastermind of Sin:Orcish Veteran, vigilante
Twomz:Orcish Jailer, Roleblocker
Vyolynce:Spy of Sarúman, SK(btw Uruk-Hai cop does not make sense with him being SK)
Night Actions

Night 1(should have been 0 but I had it this way)
Vyolynce kill Twomz
Twomz blocks Vyolynce(for roleplaying reasons I killed Twomz, I don´t see how a jailer could survive)
SpamWise kills Vyolynce(scumkill)
Alexander protects MoS
Norinel investigates Twomz
MoS sends in no choice

Night 2
evilandy kills Lloyd(scumkill)
Norinel investigates Lloyd
stikey protects Norinel
MoS does not send in a choice(probably due to forgetting his role)

Night 3
Norinel investigates stikey
stikey protects Norinel
SpamWise kills starkmoon
MoS sends in no choice

Night 4
GAME OVER!
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Post Post #293 (ISO) » Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:54 am

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It's not that the mafia members weren't suspicious, it's that my scumdar was completely thrown off by Masterchief and MoS :P Still, there's something to be said for the three of them surviving all the way to the end. Good job, mafia!
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Post Post #294 (ISO) » Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:03 am

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EOG comments
That was a rather interesting game which could have gone differently. I think me, Masterchief and MoS were the major people responsible for the scum victory.
Key points
1.Night 1
I explained above why I killed Twomz but the result of that(SK and RB downed) was a great victory for the Mafia. With one of those roles alive it would have been quite harder for the Mafia to win.

2.Masterchief
I think it was partially a mistake to invite him in my opinion but since I had already said something to that effect in the post I didn´t tink I could do anything else.
The rest is self-explanatory.

3.MoS not vigkilling on Night 3
This created an easy scum victory on the following day. I would have thought that you always vigkill in LoL but I don´t know all that much about Mafia.
Possible Choices
starkmoon:This would not have changed any deaths but the fact that MoS´s kill would have been registered(It was beheading btw) could have given MoS an easier roleclaim, it would have been a 3 on 3 night duel I think with stikey cleared to some extent.
Norinel:Game over, Mafia win
stikey:Would have been very funny. Then Norinel would have managed to investigate one person killed by each killing group and none of them would have lived the night. I was planning a super endgame scene in that case, as it is a Mafia victory.
evilandy or SpamWise:Would have been a very likely town victory, as Norinel can clear stikey and he can claim doc. Scum would be forced to counterclaim.
ubertimmy:I think this should be a town victory as stikey and Norinel are cleared then with the Gf´s death and MoS claims as well forcing scum to counterclaim Vig.
This is probably the game decider.
Please feel free to post your comments or criticisms as well.
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Post Post #295 (ISO) » Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:56 am

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Well, we had the WORST luck with night choices ever. I mean, seriously, we left the vig, cop and doc alive until the END OF THE GAME! If MoS had been playing better, he'd probably have made it a lot more difficult. Masterchief was basically a gift for us, as he starts talking about confirming at night and all this crazy stuff. He really got himself killed. I'm proud of the game I played, as I think I avoided a good amount of suspiscion.
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Post Post #296 (ISO) » Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:48 am

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You had the worst luck with night choices? You killed two cop targets, essentially nullifying the cop! That's not exactly
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luck ;)

Like I said: you guys played a very good game, and benefited from some poor play on the town side.
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Post Post #297 (ISO) » Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:55 am

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SK got one of them...
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Post Post #298 (ISO) » Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:55 am

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Yea, true, but we missed power roles like every time.
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Post Post #299 (ISO) » Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:56 am

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To the Mafia
Were you trying to get rid of people who where slowing down the game?
Or were there other reasons for your kills?
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