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Post Post #275 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:31 am

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In post 255, RayFrost wrote:
Unvote, Vote: RobinWilliams


I am clearly never going to get support for the ika lynch because everyone just sees it as his ~playstyle~ (I really really
really
hate how much my games have been "rayfrost made a good case but it's untrue because it's ~playstyle~" lately).

And I am willing to vote here for [Reasons].
I actually support ika lynch very much.
Unvote, vote:ika
(Bcj and ika are both scum to me)

Ika: He's willing to put someone at l-1 without the majority agreeing. That's an extremely stupid and risky decision
unless
he's scum.
In post 88, ika wrote:
Spoiler: all the post from pg 4 so far
In post 79, emeraldemon wrote:Hey so you wanted to see my town game right? Let's do this thing :mrgreen:

So one thing makes me hesitate about bjc / ika scumteam: it would surprise me a little for a scum to draw attention to a partner like this in the first post.

Other than that though, pretty much everything from them has felt scumteam.

The only other person who's posted anything is Abbott, but unfortunately it's all pretty null. Need more stuff from everyone.
Post 16 is why I had an early town slot on bjc, his awareness of my pregame post made me think he is town because i figured scums don't care about that stuff and would not pay attention. He was obviously aware of my pre-game post. The only other reason would be is if we were both scums, however i am not. It is possible that he is but right now its null-town coming from him atm.
In post 80, bjc wrote:How about stuff from you? What's with your vote on ika? What do you make of Robw's vote on ika?
Heres a good post, he trying to spark some discussion and trying to get reads on people here. I am starting to get irked by the big buddying of him and the votes on me. But its feels more genuine. One of the few things that makes me wonder is he wants contents from people but does not give contents of his own. I gave a good few questions for discussion but he has yet to answer them when he said he would.
In post 81, TierShift wrote:
In post 23, Nachomamma8 wrote:Thanks for the link!
I'm probably not going to read it; just be obviously town and we will get along just fine.
He did that last game and coasted to a win as scum :(

Early game reads:
emerald town: is putting himself much more in the spotlights than he did in his scumgame+feels genuine.
Ika town: really trying to hunt but well...uh walling is not necessary. Great to see someone try, though.

Not seeing much scummy intent anywhere yet but I might reread some more.

VOTE: nacho
Get out of spectator mode.
To me this is 2 prong. This gives me more confidence in emerald being town due to you having experience with him. I didn't glance at his game because I was lazy but due to biassed reasons I am considering you town and will take that emerald is town.

Your reasoning for nacho seems also valid that if he is merely coasting and seems to be doing right now. It is becoming annoying and not helpful. He seems to be trying to take a null path. I first took it as IC trying to play neutral but looking back even as an IC should not coast like he is.
In post 82, emeraldemon wrote:@bjc
I made a long post about why I voted ika (), did you read it?
Yes, Robb W needs to come out and post.

@tiershift
Man, I really hope you are town this game. So you don't think ika and bjc are buddying?
This post gives me more confidence in you being town because of the second half thats addressed to tiershift. I do think you are sligtly stuck in the me and bjc buddying, but i am going to take it as a newbie thing. If one of us were to flip scum, then you should follow up on it. However there is also a flip-side that a scum will buddy with a strong town read to try to get them out. However I say that our "buddying" is more just general chat and discussion.
In post 83, TierShift wrote:Nah, ika is town. Just look at the total lack of self-conciousness.
As for bjc buddying, define buddying.

Bjc, you got any experience? Sure seems like you do. Why do you think emerald is scum?
Abbott, why do you say wagons are the way out of RVS, then place a lone vote?
This gives me a good town read from you, you jump right in and start asking questions and want to obviously discuss things. You are obviously a player who has a few games under your belt and knows what you are doing.
In post 84, bjc wrote:
In post 82, emeraldemon wrote:@bjc
I made a long post about why I voted ika (), did you read it?
Yes, Robb W needs to come out and post.

@tiershift
Man, I really hope you are town this game. So you don't think ika and bjc are buddying?
That didn't really look like a justification for voting but more like a, "hey guys, check this out."

Oh and yes I'd say that it looks like we're buddying. I can't say he's confirmed townie to me but I'm not the best at that.
In post 83, TierShift wrote:
Bjc, you got any experience? Sure seems like you do. Why do you think emerald is scum?
Yes. I originate from a sports-based website where I've played 3 or 4 games, then made my way here.

Admittedly, it's something small, but it struck me as something awful:
In post 37, emeraldemon wrote:VOTE: ika

How's that for not random?
Note: I'm not one to call someone's play "bad" or call people names and pull some high-rank crap because I think that's annoying and I think people who make the "that post was so bad" kind of posts either:

-Can't properly explain what's wrong with the post
-or-
-Are 14 years old.

So why do I say this? To clarify that my use of awful was to describe how it jumped out at me, not that the substance was awful. :D
This post gives me a better understanding of how you play and what i should expect from you. It helps when I know what i should be expecting. Seeing how you only have 3-4 games played. You seems to have a good start. There are a few things that I do think you could improve on thoguh. But I will save that for post game
In post 85, TierShift wrote:It awfully jumps out at you, but the substance isn't awful. Why is it scummy again?

If you want a wagon, vote nacho, IC wagons are cool.
In post 86, bjc wrote:
In post 85, TierShift wrote:It awfully jumps out at you, but the substance isn't awful. Why is it scummy again?

If you want a wagon, vote nacho, IC wagons are cool.
Well at the time it seemed scummy, almost OMGUS in nature but ika voted for nacho, not emeral.

Cool.
unvote; vote: nacho
this puts nacho at l-2.


VOTE: nacho

this is l-1, his coasting nature and trying to stay null at first looked like to me as an IC play but is more biassed of a reason and he should actually not be doing so and legitimately coming out to help. Also after ISOing him, his post stick out to me as scum for what they say.
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Post Post #276 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:34 am

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Also guys, I can't believe I'm saying this to a IC/SE, but are you FREAKING out of your mind? We have good scum reads and do not blindly lynch RobW for inactivity. He'll get replaced soon which is much better then wasting a lynch.
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Post Post #277 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:37 am

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In post 276, Wagon Me Pal wrote:Also guys, I can't believe I'm saying this to a IC/SE, but are you FREAKING out of your mind? We have good scum reads and do not blindly lynch RobW for inactivity. He'll get replaced soon which is much better then wasting a lynch.
We're not blindly lynching anyone for inactivity.
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Post Post #278 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:39 am

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Well, what it looks like now is that you guys are all voting rob for inactivity, and can't we just let him be replaced and see if his replacement drops scum slips?
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Post Post #279 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:43 am

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I like those posts by LMB. Has any real pressure been put on ika this game?
unovte; vote: ika
I don't believe so.
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Post Post #280 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:43 am

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Come on the wagon, all. Wagons wagons wagons!
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Post Post #281 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:46 am

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In post 279, bjc wrote:I like those posts by LMB. Has any real pressure been put on ika this game?
unovte; vote: ika
I don't believe so.
Sudden mood change huh? Why is so familiar to me... *cough* *wheeze*. Jailkeeper, cop, tracker please target one of the following at night time. bjc, ika, abbott
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Post Post #282 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:48 am

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Actually if there is a cop, then you should claim now because following the cop would be a good idea. (At least better than lynching inactives)
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Post Post #283 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:49 am

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No. A power role on me would be a complete waste. Save that stuff for someone else.

And really? No reason to claim now.
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Post Post #284 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:50 am

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Following the cop is a good idea? Boy how great that would be for the cop to lead us on a wagon against another PR only to have TWO PRs out themselves on day one. I'll pass.
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Post Post #285 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:51 am

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Honestly if we're talking about people that need to be watched at night it's one of Tiershift/Emeraldemon.
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Post Post #286 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:53 am

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In post 284, bjc wrote:Following the cop is a good idea? Boy how great that would be for the cop to lead us on a wagon against another PR only to have TWO PRs out themselves on day one. I'll pass.
Bro, actually read the mafia wiki on following the cop. It's letting the doctor protect the cop every night so the cop can stay invincible while giving reports.
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Post Post #287 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:03 am

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If there is a cop and a doctor, there is also a roleblocker. Who will break that plan. In a heartbeat.
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Post Post #288 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:04 am

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In post 278, Wagon Me Pal wrote:Well, what it looks like now is that you guys are all voting rob for inactivity, and can't we just let him be replaced and see if his replacement drops scum slips?
Who "all" is voting Rob?

Since when did pressure votes to encourage participation become equivalent to calling for a lynch.
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Post Post #289 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:05 am

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In post 286, Wagon Me Pal wrote:
In post 284, bjc wrote:Following the cop is a good idea? Boy how great that would be for the cop to lead us on a wagon against another PR only to have TWO PRs out themselves on day one. I'll pass.
Bro
, actually read the mafia wiki on following the cop. It's letting the doctor protect the cop every night so the cop can stay invincible while giving reports.
You like that word, eh? :P

I'm familiar with it, but my point still stands and you're assuming that having a cop means we'll have a doctor when that isn't actually guaranteed at all.

In fact, that same setup with the doc has a roleblocker. So they could just roleblock the cop, and the doc isn't really doing much at that point.
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Post Post #290 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:06 am

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This guy^
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Post Post #291 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:30 am

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Oh I forgot about RB, but still cop/tracker/jailkeeper should target one of bcj,ika, or abbott.
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Post Post #292 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:31 am

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In post 279, bjc wrote:I like those posts by LMB. Has any real pressure been put on ika this game?
unovte; vote: ika
I don't believe so.
ya there has been i just dont care aobut it becasue i am town. If you have the need to ask me something go ahead. Im all for a lynch on me if it will show that nacho and time should be looked into. and should be next to be lynched after my flip
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Post Post #293 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:36 am

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In post 275, Wagon Me Pal wrote:
In post 255, RayFrost wrote:
Unvote, Vote: RobinWilliams


I am clearly never going to get support for the ika lynch because everyone just sees it as his ~playstyle~ (I really really
really
hate how much my games have been "rayfrost made a good case but it's untrue because it's ~playstyle~" lately).

And I am willing to vote here for [Reasons].
I actually support ika lynch very much.
Unvote, vote:ika
(Bcj and ika are both scum to me)

Ika: He's willing to put someone at l-1 without the majority agreeing. That's an extremely stupid and risky decision
unless
he's scum.
In post 88, ika wrote:
Spoiler: all the post from pg 4 so far
In post 79, emeraldemon wrote:Hey so you wanted to see my town game right? Let's do this thing :mrgreen:

So one thing makes me hesitate about bjc / ika scumteam: it would surprise me a little for a scum to draw attention to a partner like this in the first post.

Other than that though, pretty much everything from them has felt scumteam.

The only other person who's posted anything is Abbott, but unfortunately it's all pretty null. Need more stuff from everyone.
Post 16 is why I had an early town slot on bjc, his awareness of my pregame post made me think he is town because i figured scums don't care about that stuff and would not pay attention. He was obviously aware of my pre-game post. The only other reason would be is if we were both scums, however i am not. It is possible that he is but right now its null-town coming from him atm.
In post 80, bjc wrote:How about stuff from you? What's with your vote on ika? What do you make of Robw's vote on ika?
Heres a good post, he trying to spark some discussion and trying to get reads on people here. I am starting to get irked by the big buddying of him and the votes on me. But its feels more genuine. One of the few things that makes me wonder is he wants contents from people but does not give contents of his own. I gave a good few questions for discussion but he has yet to answer them when he said he would.
In post 81, TierShift wrote:
In post 23, Nachomamma8 wrote:Thanks for the link!
I'm probably not going to read it; just be obviously town and we will get along just fine.
He did that last game and coasted to a win as scum :(

Early game reads:
emerald town: is putting himself much more in the spotlights than he did in his scumgame+feels genuine.
Ika town: really trying to hunt but well...uh walling is not necessary. Great to see someone try, though.

Not seeing much scummy intent anywhere yet but I might reread some more.

VOTE: nacho
Get out of spectator mode.
To me this is 2 prong. This gives me more confidence in emerald being town due to you having experience with him. I didn't glance at his game because I was lazy but due to biassed reasons I am considering you town and will take that emerald is town.

Your reasoning for nacho seems also valid that if he is merely coasting and seems to be doing right now. It is becoming annoying and not helpful. He seems to be trying to take a null path. I first took it as IC trying to play neutral but looking back even as an IC should not coast like he is.
In post 82, emeraldemon wrote:@bjc
I made a long post about why I voted ika (), did you read it?
Yes, Robb W needs to come out and post.

@tiershift
Man, I really hope you are town this game. So you don't think ika and bjc are buddying?
This post gives me more confidence in you being town because of the second half thats addressed to tiershift. I do think you are sligtly stuck in the me and bjc buddying, but i am going to take it as a newbie thing. If one of us were to flip scum, then you should follow up on it. However there is also a flip-side that a scum will buddy with a strong town read to try to get them out. However I say that our "buddying" is more just general chat and discussion.
In post 83, TierShift wrote:Nah, ika is town. Just look at the total lack of self-conciousness.
As for bjc buddying, define buddying.

Bjc, you got any experience? Sure seems like you do. Why do you think emerald is scum?
Abbott, why do you say wagons are the way out of RVS, then place a lone vote?
This gives me a good town read from you, you jump right in and start asking questions and want to obviously discuss things. You are obviously a player who has a few games under your belt and knows what you are doing.
In post 84, bjc wrote:
In post 82, emeraldemon wrote:@bjc
I made a long post about why I voted ika (), did you read it?
Yes, Robb W needs to come out and post.

@tiershift
Man, I really hope you are town this game. So you don't think ika and bjc are buddying?
That didn't really look like a justification for voting but more like a, "hey guys, check this out."

Oh and yes I'd say that it looks like we're buddying. I can't say he's confirmed townie to me but I'm not the best at that.
In post 83, TierShift wrote:
Bjc, you got any experience? Sure seems like you do. Why do you think emerald is scum?
Yes. I originate from a sports-based website where I've played 3 or 4 games, then made my way here.

Admittedly, it's something small, but it struck me as something awful:
In post 37, emeraldemon wrote:VOTE: ika

How's that for not random?
Note: I'm not one to call someone's play "bad" or call people names and pull some high-rank crap because I think that's annoying and I think people who make the "that post was so bad" kind of posts either:

-Can't properly explain what's wrong with the post
-or-
-Are 14 years old.

So why do I say this? To clarify that my use of awful was to describe how it jumped out at me, not that the substance was awful. :D
This post gives me a better understanding of how you play and what i should expect from you. It helps when I know what i should be expecting. Seeing how you only have 3-4 games played. You seems to have a good start. There are a few things that I do think you could improve on thoguh. But I will save that for post game
In post 85, TierShift wrote:It awfully jumps out at you, but the substance isn't awful. Why is it scummy again?

If you want a wagon, vote nacho, IC wagons are cool.
In post 86, bjc wrote:
In post 85, TierShift wrote:It awfully jumps out at you, but the substance isn't awful. Why is it scummy again?

If you want a wagon, vote nacho, IC wagons are cool.
Well at the time it seemed scummy, almost OMGUS in nature but ika voted for nacho, not emeral.

Cool.
unvote; vote: nacho
this puts nacho at l-2.


VOTE: nacho

this is l-1, his coasting nature and trying to stay null at first looked like to me as an IC play but is more biassed of a reason and he should actually not be doing so and legitimately coming out to help. Also after ISOing him, his post stick out to me as scum for what they say.
Explain to my why the majority must agree to l-1 someone now? explain to me how l-1 someone is scummy. if i was scum, it would of benn easier to hide my vote in a big wall of that text and then have somoen accadently hammer, instead i clearly announce it that its l-1 after my spoiler post. i think you need to check again
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Post Post #294 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:38 am

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In post 282, Wagon Me Pal wrote:Actually if there is a cop, then you should claim now because following the cop would be a good idea. (At least better than lynching inactives)
did you notice how nach started the train as well and said its scummy. can you tell me what you think of that? i looked at it more of scum trying to look for easy way out of getting a lynch. Also i do think there is a cop, but the cop should not claim atm. instead maybe the cop can claim tommorow and we go from there.
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Post Post #295 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:40 am

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In post 277, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 276, Wagon Me Pal wrote:Also guys, I can't believe I'm saying this to a IC/SE, but are you FREAKING out of your mind? We have good scum reads and do not blindly lynch RobW for inactivity. He'll get replaced soon which is much better then wasting a lynch.
We're not blindly lynching anyone for inactivity.
oh really? plz tell me more how we are not blindly doing it for inactivity.
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Post Post #296 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:40 am

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In post 276, Wagon Me Pal wrote:Also guys, I can't believe I'm saying this to a IC/SE, but are you FREAKING out of your mind? We have good scum reads and do not blindly lynch RobW for inactivity. He'll get replaced soon which is much better then wasting a lynch.
Plz show your evidence to this, i would like to see it. Maybe i can show you how it is not scummy or where you maybe misunderstand.
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Post Post #297 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:41 am

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In post 291, Wagon Me Pal wrote:Oh I forgot about RB, but still cop/tracker/jailkeeper should target one of bcj,ika, or abbott.
What about every other player?
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Post Post #298 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:41 am

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Yes i just spammed many post but it is to force people to read each one instead of saying "big wall of text, ignore"
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Post Post #299 (ISO) » Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:48 am

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You mean tl;dr, right?
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