Newbie 1515: Old-Timey Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Jake from State Farm]

Welcome This game is badly in need of new blood

[Jake from State Farm]

I get this strange feeling some random guy/ ashura slot is scum and the replacements were new and afraid to play as scum.

Of course I'm not going to lynch on that but it's something to investigate later if the new replacement ever joins the game.

[Bins]

Oh crap, I didn't know I was allowed to post since it wasn't officially announced and the role PM didn't say anything about that. Anyways, HI I'M BINS AND I'M REPLACED ASHURA.

I've skimmed this thread over once while waiting and I want to go over it again in depth.

I know I just replaced in but I'll be busy this weekend. I don't think it'll be that bad, there's just a festival going around in my town and I'm volunteering both days. I should be able to post and look over things in the morning.

Other than that,
UNVOTE:
for housekeeping reasons.

And, I'll answer Thesp's questions if it makes him happy. <3

1) What experience do you have playing Mafia?
2) Do you like playing as Mafia or as Town better? Why?

1) Finished my first game ever two days ago. I replaced into that one as well. I'm currently in a dying game and in pregame for another.
2) I've only played one game so... can't really say. I would think mafia or town PR just 'cause I think it'd be more interesting than VT.

[Cheery Dog]

ok but why boonskies

I'd also be curious to know why Boonskiies is a more useful lynch than any of the other options.

He's still producing nothing, and I'm not seeing that changing.

I was actually prepared to switch to Boro after we received these replacements until he started actually posting stuff, now I'm fine with him being alive for the moment.

Jake & Thesp I still don't see why either them are really thought of as scum at the moment. The arguments for why we sohuld follow them can be shrunk down to someone else thinks they aren't playing pro-town - which shows nothing as to why they're actually scum.

[Brian Skies]

Hello!

I will be inactive until Monday with guests in town. However, I'd like for everyone to answer two questions:
1) What experience do you have playing Mafia?
2) Do you like playing as Mafia or as Town better? Why?

I look forward to a fun little game of murder with you!

I was going to be a jerk about it, but meh. Why not?

HI! I'm Brian, not Brain. And I like to post in walls. However, long walls of text can create apathy, and that's the last thing we need in this game. So I'll be splitting my posts up. And while I don't completely disregard meta, I don't care much for it, and I will likely handwave most meta-based arguments.

1) I've played my fair share of Mafia onsite. Some experience playing EpicMafia and Skype Mafia (I suck a lot in the latter).
2) I don't really have a preference. They both have their pros and cons. I don't like actually rolling scum, but I do enjoy the lack of paranoia and frustration that comes along with it.

RVS And Why We Do It
Don't Talk About Ongoing Games - Actually, just pretend they don't exist until they're completed to entirety.

[Brian Skies]

I look forward for your return so you can explain why you would start the game with something useless like asking questions and why you chose that since you don't normally start games when you are the IC like that.

Right after you posted that, you posted this:

Damn I missed your last newbie game where you did that. I stil want to know why you start games like that. I don't understand the point

In fact, you likely discovered this when you looked at my last newbie game, where you saw this post:

Hello, everyone! I'm you're friendly IC for this game. I'm happy to answer any question you may have about the mechanics of the game, or anything else that might come up.

The beginning of the game can be a bit haphazard. After all, there's no information other than your own role PMs at the moment. Frequently, people will begin with early rounds of arbitrary voting, commonly referred to as the Random Voting Stage. However, I think that's a waste of time. We can go ahead and start posting useful content right out of the gate. After all, one of the best ways to get information from people is by asking them questions. (This will be even more useful in the game as it goes on. If you think there's not enough information on someone, usually the

best

way to get that information will be by being proactive and asking for that information yourself.)

So, I'd like to start this game out with a question to each of you. Generally when I do these, I try to ask a question that I think will be more uncomfortable for scum to answer, or that I think may color their play, or tell me more about how they are likely to play. There can be reasonable skepticism over its overall usefulness, but I do think it is significantly better than arbitrary votes, and it helps me get started.

I'd like every player to answer these two questions:
How often have you played Mafia (or it's alternately-themed version Werewolf) before?
What do you think is the best way for a player to help the town?

Thanks!

Ostensibly,

this post, which you presumably read, holds exactly the answers you're inquiring about.

You then complain about activity instead of doing something meaningful about it, instead deciding that asking me a question you presumably know the answer to will substitute for activity. You could be working to get us out of Random Voting Stage, but you're not. Why not answer trivially easy questions?

VOTE: Jake from State Farm

I think you would have been better off making the same post from the other Newbie game than just asking the meaningless questions. I don't mind the difference in opinion regarding RQS and RVS, but the questions you opened up with don't do anything in determining another player's alignment. If they do, then please, enlighten me how you can make the distinction based on those two questions.

Also, I understand that an IC's job is to help the newer players learn about the game, but if it's going to get in your way of playing the game properly, then you might be better off in the Dead QT.

I'm all ears, but so far it seems like very few people are actually being productive.

And you've been contributing to the problem up to this point.

At least Jake realizes the uselessness in your 'efforts' that could just as easily be feigned attempts at scumhunting. The best thing you've done up to this point is asking the newbies if they had any scumreads. Other than that, you did vote for Jake. But other than Jake being openly vocal about being against your RQS, I don't see why you thought he was deserving of a vote. Why did you choose to push Jake and not Cheery, who did the same thing?

1. Starting the game with questions rather than arbitrary votes isn't as uncommon as Jake from State Farm would have you believe.
I can provide more games where this happens (and will a bit later), but I got the idea from the creator of this site who used it in at least one game that caught my eye. In any case, he's trying to take a playstyle difference and use it as if it's somehow a scumtell. I'm also perturbed by his strong reaction against answering questions that are meaningless. (Why not just answer them, if they don't do anything, and move along to what you feel will be productive?)

No, anyone reading this game should be able to see that he's more irritated that you're not doing anything to move the game forward in any meaningful way. It has nothing to do with your decision to open up with RQS.

4. Jake from State Farm has been doing nothing to scumhunt outside of attacking me.
He has used our playstyle difference as an excuse to provide otherwise empty content, and has been asking players to post, but hasn't been doing anything to get them to say anything substantive. He's done things like complain about a lack of activity:

In post 17, Jake from State Farm wrote:Hopefully activity picks up across the board on Monday, it's kind of abysmal right now

...but doesn't actually do anything to promote activity. That's the hallmark of trying to look busy while not accomplishing anything. It's crazy scummy and bad for the game.

That's why my vote is on Jake from State Farm. I'm very, very happy with my vote there.

Your point goes both ways. And I don't know why you're resorting to attacking Jake and calling him scum instead of just giving him the reason why you started opening up games with RQS in the first place.

My vote is staying on Jake from State Farm because his approach is just so anti-town I can't convince myself a pro-town player would act that way (though I've been trying to convince myself of it). I'd be happy to see some pressure on Flames682 as well, and I'd be happy to swing my vote that way to secure a lynch.

Let's do a little exercise, Thesp. It's called self-awareness. Look at each of your posts up until this one and tell me how many of them can be considered to have any meaningful pro-town content (not including your OMGUS onto Jake). After you do that, let me know if your argument that Jake is pushing you is unwarranted or if your push against him is unwarranted.

Also, the entirety of this post is you just "riding the coattails" of the previously incredibly townish post from Honeybee. As is the post that immediately follows this one. The only parts I can call original aren't questions I would deem useful in determining a player's alignment.

I continue to think TheGottemer is likely to be town.

Why?

[Brian Skies]

Vote: Flames628

Why did you move your vote to Flames here? Just for a reaction as described later? If so, what did you get out of it?

VOTE: Boonskiies

My God stop randomly changing RVS votes it's getting annoying (lol this post is ironic).

Until we get some actual conversation going, I see no point as to not. It's obviously random, so it shouldn't be seen as scummy, and I am in no danger of a lynch seeing as I have no true scummy evidence, rather than just annoyance.

You should probably hold back on the forced annoyance and irritation. It doesn't do you or the town any good in the long run. Also, in my opinion, you should only have one truly random vote in a game and that's when you're opening up the RVS stage. Everything after that should have a purpose. If it doesn't, it will be considered scummy.

I did like the vote here from my predecessor, though. I didn't like the early wagon hopping.

Being dodgiest. So why are you scum?

How was Cheery being dodgy? From my opinion, she saw something that concerned her and she went right after it. Do you think this is more likely to be town-motivated or scum-motivated, and why?

Being dodgiest. So why are you scum?

So me actually answering rqs would have have made your opinion what?

avoided question. My vote stays. moving on.

LOL?!? I was completely pro-town on your slot and you vote me. Interesting.

Seems to me as you thought there was an old wagon on me, and you just wanted to try and get Flames vote back on to me.

I don't like that. Vote on me was random, his vote on you was random. This vote...isn't random.

VOTE: ashura525

?

It's better though. And I think that between the two, Boonskiies looks slightly more townish than ashura.

For the sake of getting things moving on, I'll put it to L-1. Him and Thesp are my only actual scum reads (a one or the other kind of ordeal.)

VOTE: Jake from State Farm

So you thought that at least one of these two had to be scum? If so, what made you think this was the case?

[Brian Skies]

LOL?!? I was completely pro-town on your slot and you vote me. Interesting. Seems to me as you thought there was an old wagon on me, and you just wanted to try and get Flames vote back on to me. I don't like that. Vote on me was random, his vote on you was random. This vote...isn't random.

VOTE: ashura525

Tutut not even playing attention to the gamestate.
VOTE: Boonskiies

What about the gamestate should he have been paying attention to? My predecessor was voting him, moved my vote to Ashura, and Ashura voted Boonskiies in response. Am I missing something?

With Thesp here, I think he's lately gone for too much encouragement of other's questions rather than his own scumhunting,

but he is still contributing

.

In what way?

[Brian Skies]

I think that the current play is becoming too personal.

That is, people are attacking each other personally rather than just trying to win. *cough* jake *cough*.

I do confess to bandwagoning earlier but now that I am better informed my opinion is that if you have an issue with someone and the way they IC, take it up with them over PM and don't attack them on the thread until this fails.

How did you reach this conclusion and why does this make Jake look scummy to you?

Actually Jake isn't looking at much motivation or stuff that actually effects this game, dammit now I'll have to look deeper into his, eh it can wait until the morning

I do confess to bandwagoning earlier but now that I am better informed my opinion is that if you have an issue with someone and the way they IC, take it up with them over PM and don't attack them on the thread until this fails.

As this would be out of thread communication, it's not actually allowed. (therefore it should be done via yelling at the mod over pm, and postgame/deadqt)

Ok, but the concept remains the same. Don't turn a good fun game into one of shooting accusations.

Is he scum or town to you, and why? We're not devolving this game into a string of policy lynches.

TheGottemer, are you voting for Jake from State Farm because you think you think he's more likely to be scum, or because you think he's bad for the game? (Or something else?)

A little of both. The flying accusations are both bad for the game and a major scumtell in my eyes.

To better explain, shooting off accusations at someone is a good way to make people subconsciously take their eyes off of you.

Question: If you can't accuse another player of being scummy, how do you plan on hunting scum out as town?

oops accidentally prematurely posted.
OK so I think (not in any order):
1) Boonskiies because he said he'd catch up and never did.
2) Borophil because well... I read the last few pages and...
3) Jake or Thesp

but not both

, because of the rampant accusations of lying. (

Then again, it could all be a massive act and they are just trying to make sure we dob't suspect both of them.

)
Leaving my vote where it is.

1) Why is this more likely to be from scum and not just apathetic town?
2) And what?
3) This is completely noncommittal. You say one of the two could be scum, but you don't have a leaning scumread on one of the two? Then you immediately offer up the idea that both of them could be scum, which contradicts the previous point?

[Brian Skies]

I get this strange feeling some random guy/ ashura slot is scum and the replacements were new and afraid to play as scum.

The slot might be scum, but not for the reason you listed. Maestro sent me a role PM and never gave me the green light or anything. So I just went ahead and posted.

Also, if you have a problem with the way Thesp chooses to IC, take it up with him in the post game. You're still an SE, so you still have authority on your own.


I currently have townreads on Honeybee (for thoughts that resonate with my own), Jake (because I feel like a lot of his posting thus far has been pretty town-motivated, especially with his pushes against BP and Thesp), and Cheery Dog (because I think she's been trying to move the game forward in a meaningful way).

I'm currently suspicious of Thesp, Gottemer, and BP. I'm wondering if there's something going on between the former two, and BP just looks terrible to me in his engagement with Jake. Of the three, I think BP is the likeliest to be town.

Null reads on ashura and Boonskiies (could be town, but meh).

Town
Honeybee
Jake
Cheery Dog

Null
Boonskiies
ashura/Bins

Scum
BP
Gottemer
Thesp

I'm going to leave my vote on Thesp.

[TheGottemer]

Oh thank god we got our replacements. This game has been a little irritating with two complete idlers.
I wasn't saying not to accuse someone of scum. If you read the posts in the area, I was saying accusing someone of trying to use an IC position to their advantage and then back and forth accusations of lying are not in the spirit of gaming.
Borophil was ranting at Jake for disliking his idling.
I was trying to bring up multiple possibilities. It could be the first or it could be the second(or neither). I should have worded it better.
Also my leaning scum read was Jake for a while although I am not 100% sure now.

[Cheery Dog]

LOL?!? I was completely pro-town on your slot and you vote me. Interesting. Seems to me as you thought there was an old wagon on me, and you just wanted to try and get Flames vote back on to me. I don't like that. Vote on me was random, his vote on you was random. This vote...isn't random.

VOTE: ashura525

Tutut not even playing attention to the gamestate.
VOTE: Boonskiies

What about the gamestate should he have been paying attention to? My predecessor was voting him, moved my vote to Ashura, and Ashura voted Boonskiies in response. Am I missing something?

Most likely. Boonskiies not checking on who ashura was replacing after ashura mistakenly got who he replaced wrong.
My vote came into being on Boonskiies here because of the omgus caused by mistaken idenity which doesn't even make sense for how that makes a scumread.

With Thesp here, I think he's lately gone for too much encouragement of other's questions rather than his own scumhunting,

but he is still contributing

.

In what way?

Is this a serious question? It
's pretty obvious how thesp was still contributing. The encouragement itself is even a contribution.

[Brian Skies]

I wasn't saying not to accuse someone of scum. If you read the posts in the area, I was saying accusing someone of trying to use an IC position to their advantage and then back and forth accusations of lying are not in the spirit of gaming.

Alright, but then you'd be devolving your read of Jake into a policy lynch since this doesn't really sound like you had a scumread on him in the first place. It just looks more like policing the player list.

LOL?!? I was completely pro-town on your slot and you vote me. Interesting. Seems to me as you thought there was an old wagon on me, and you just wanted to try and get Flames vote back on to me. I don't like that. Vote on me was random, his vote on you was random. This vote...isn't random.

VOTE: ashura525

Tutut not even playing attention to the gamestate.
VOTE: Boonskiies

What about the gamestate should he have been paying attention to? My predecessor was voting him, moved my vote to Ashura, and Ashura voted Boonskiies in response. Am I missing something?

Most likely. Boonskiies not checking on who ashura was replacing after ashura mistakenly got who he replaced wrong.
My vote came into being on Boonskiies here because of the omgus caused by mistaken idenity which doesn't even make sense for how that makes a scumread.

Okay. I missed that connection. It just looked more like a weird OMGUS to me.

But I don't really see fault in a Newbie failing to realize who ashura actually replaced, especially since the replacement got it wrong in his opening post? Boonskiies post is weird for other reasons to me, and it has more to do with him jumping to the conclusion that ashura was conspiring against him. Still finding that hard to sort.

With Thesp here, I think he's lately gone for too much encouragement of other's questions rather than his own scumhunting,

but he is still contributing

.

In what way?

Is this a serious question? It
's pretty obvious how thesp was still contributing. The encouragement itself is even a contribution.

I think our ideas of contribution differ. By way of content, I'd say Thesp was sorely lacking. By way of activity, well, that's a different story. But between the two, I've generally liked Jake more (hilarity of the mutiny aside).

[Jake from State Farm]

Oh thank god we got our replacements. This game has been a little irritating with two complete idlers.
I wasn't saying not to accuse someone of scum. If you read the posts in the area, I was saying accusing someone of trying to use an IC position to their advantage and then back and forth accusations of lying are not in the spirit of gaming.
Borophil was ranting at Jake for disliking his idling.
I was trying to bring up multiple possibilities. It could be the first or it could be the second(or neither). I should have worded it better.
Also my leaning scum read was Jake for a while although I am not 100% sure now.

But you have been an idler yourself... You aren't being proactive and that's a scumtell in my book

[Maestro]

Votecount 1.05 - Saturday, July 12th @ 11:12 AM EST

Honey bee -

0

^[L-5]

Bins -

0

^[L-5]

Boonskiies -

1

^[L-4]

Cheery Dog
Brian Skies -

0

^[L-5]

TheGottemer -

0

^[L-5]

Jake from State Farm -

2

^[L-3]

Thesp, BoroPhil
BoroPhil -

3

^[L-2]

Honey bee, Jake from State Farm, TheGottemer
Cheery Dog -

0

^[L-5]

Thesp -

1

^[L-4]

Brian Skies

With

[9]

alive it takes

[5]

to Lynch or No Lynch.

ACTIVITY CHECK:

Boonskiies receives his second prod for more than 48 hours of inactivity.
Honey bee has been prodded for more than 48 hours of inactivity.
BoroPhil has been prodded for more than 48 hours of inactivity.

Not Voting:

Boonskiies, Bins

Deadline is in ... (expired on 2014-07-19 11:45:00)

SIDE NOTE: Yup, I sent the PMs and posted a VC saying I was waiting on the replacements' responses...then promptly started having computer issues again while at a friends. My apologies.

[TheGottemer]

Oh thank god we got our replacements. This game has been a little irritating with two complete idlers.
I wasn't saying not to accuse someone of scum. If you read the posts in the area, I was saying accusing someone of trying to use an IC position to their advantage and then back and forth accusations of lying are not in the spirit of gaming.
Borophil was ranting at Jake for disliking his idling.
I was trying to bring up multiple possibilities. It could be the first or it could be the second(or neither). I should have worded it better.
Also my leaning scum read was Jake for a while although I am not 100% sure now.

But you have been an idler yourself... You aren't being proactive and that's a scumtell in my book

Well, my internet is screwy. Technical difficulties ftw :p

[Bins]

Gonna meta boonie boy before I post.

[Bins]

Welp, I thought he had more than two games. Anyways, his votes were like that in his game where he was town. I elaborate . My opinions are easily changed if given good reason. I like people arguing against me. I need to get a feel of the game first.

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Scum-o-Meter

i'm a formatting artist

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I think scum is in newbs. And the experienced players are just fighting with eachother. This is gut. Not sure if that makes sense at all, just how I feel.

Honey bee -- Town. Not really anything to say, just get a town vibe at this moment. Provides good content, has good town reads, and asks good questions. She's only made 8 posts so that's about as much as I can say.

Cheery Dog -- Town vibes. Seems very protown, gives new opinions, I like it.

BoroPhil -- null leaning null. I should be able to say more but idk. This is how I feel automatically when someone goes, "Lynch me but you'll be lynching town." It just makes my brain mad at itself.

Thesp & Jake

sorry you probably don't want to be put together

-- Not really feeling the hefty scumness from both of them that they were acusing eachother of. I didn't like the tunnelling at first but I think it's okay right now. I'll admit, I haven't read the indepth meta posts. I'm going to do that first thing in the morning. Question for both: At this moment, do you have any strong town or scum reads other than the obvious? Jake, WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS GETTING INTO FIGHTS WITH THE IC, DUDE? I read the Nero Cain game when I first started playing and now this. And the weird thing occurred to me: I think this fighting is Town v Town. There's a lot more to say but I'm tired and I think there's enough out there mentioned. I don't think you're scummy... I just question some of your moves. Honestly, if I HAD to put one over the other: Thesp seems less scummy because I don't think scum would blatantly tunnel so hard on someone.

Note: I believe one of these three is scum if two of these guys aren't (if that wasn't clear). I don't think any of them are scum together.

Boonskiies -- null leaning it's just the Boon. Null mostly because I get this feel that he just has an odd playstyle/reads. Really don't like the votes he's made though and the reasons he's provided. They seem jumpy as fuck and mostly baseless. However, it just seems like playstyle more than a scumtell. Eh, I still don't like it though. Will see once I get a better feel of this game.

Flames682/Brain

hue

Skies -- Flames made me uncomfortable because of his votes/positions on wagons. Leaning scum. I'll also admit that I read over his first game and he got lynched Night 1 as town. His votes were jumpy like now so I'm not sure if it's just him or what. I also don't like the replacements posts, even though it's long and insightful.

TheGottemer -- I don't like lack of inactivity and his votes made me uncomfortable. Did not like. I swear this was his thought process so far:
> ayo gonna be super unhelping for town and be away and stuff and post useless shit
> i'm also going to not have any town reads
> whoa someone voted
> better hop on this wagon
If not scum, at least extremely anti-town.

I'll repeat: these aren't accusations or anything. I want to get people talking. I want to see if anyone can change my opinions. I'm most definitely not 100% set on anything.

-- I'll definitely go more indepth if anyone asks me questions about anything. That's the point.
I made this post pretty fast as well, please correct me if I'm misinterpreting something.

[Honey bee]

I voted Jake because of his mutiny post at 78. Again, some scum like to try and lead town and say all of the right things to appear town and I think that's what he was doing here.

Well, your vote in 92 makes a lot more sense to me now. I don’t feel like the reason is particularly reliable but it doesn’t seem scummy too. Either way, it makes my read of you voided and I really don’t like the way this wagon is shaping up so UNVOTE:

I wasn’t voting Jake because a lot of reads on him seemed to be about his personality (antagonizing, difference in play style, etc.), rather than his alignment.

Jake, I must have missed this, but may you tell me what happened between post 185 and post 189? Your were showing restraint in that he was scum in 185 and then you decided that it didn’t matter. Were you voting with the intention to lynch?

Thesp: Are you saying that flames faked v/la? Do scum really do that on this site? Idk.. That seems rude to assume.. I mean I don't always have time to play this game, and I'm sure others do too.

Honey bee -- Town. Not really anything to say, just get a town vibe at this moment. Provides good content,

has good town reads

, and asks good questions. She's only made 8 posts so that's about as much as I can say.

Um.. well maybe your talking about my thing about cheery dog in post 173?
As I said, I don't think about towniness very much, and I am not ready to rule out anyone out of the game right now. Unless town reads to you mean something different?

Also what do you not like about Brian's posts?

Borophil because well... I read the last few pages and...

Ok, was this in response to my asking? You voted borophil BEFORE this argument started, so your reason is after the fact and fake. Not only that, but this isn’t even trying to give me a read and looks like you're trying to blow off the question. And you've already jumped on a wagon with no reasoning this game... VOTE: TheGottemer I am fine with your lynch today.

[Brian Skies]

I think scum is in newbs. And the experienced players are just fighting with eachother. This is gut. Not sure if that makes sense at all, just how I feel.

Town do tend to fight with each other. And I see it all the time, so it does make sense to me.

Thesp & Jake sorry you probably don't want to be put together -- Not really feeling the hefty scumness from both of them that they were acusing eachother of. I didn't like the tunnelling at first but I think it's okay right now. I'll admit, I haven't read the indepth meta posts. I'm going to do that first thing in the morning. Question for both: At this moment, do you have any strong town or scum reads other than the obvious? Jake, WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS GETTING INTO FIGHTS WITH THE IC, DUDE? I read the Nero Cain game when I first started playing and now this. And the weird thing occurred to me:

I think this fighting is Town v Town.

There's a lot more to say but I'm tired and I think there's enough out there mentioned. I don't think you're scummy... I just question some of your moves. Honestly, if I HAD to put one over the other: Thesp seems less scummy because I don't think scum would blatantly tunnel so hard on someone.

It could be TvT. I can see a lot of town-motivated thinking in both of their posts. I was skimming earlier and I didn't realize some of the 'contributions' Thesp actually had in his little 1v1 spat with Jake. Regardless, it concerns me how Thesp handled Jake's early wagon.

Either way, there were some things I didn't like in Thesp's case against Jake. I think he had a misunderstanding of why Jake was calling him scummy in the first place, and Jake was scumhunting outside of Thesp to start with (he was originally voting Gottemer before Thesp attacked him). Maybe Thesp was just pissed off at Jake's mutiny?

Still think Jake is town. I think he's actually trying to create a pro-town environment and he's actively pursuing the things he thinks are scummy. Plus, I generally liked his reaction to getting run up to a claim.

Looking back, I can't see Gottemer being linked to either of Thesp/Jake. He seemed all to happy to bandwagon either of them (actually, he doesn't seem to care who gets run up this game).

Boonskiies -- null leaning it's just the Boon. Null mostly because I get this feel that he just has an odd playstyle/reads. Really don't like the votes he's made though and the reasons he's provided. They seem jumpy as fuck and mostly baseless. However, it just seems like playstyle more than a scumtell. Eh, I still don't like it though. Will see once I get a better feel of this game.

There's this weird oscillation to his reads and the timing of his read changes make some sense to me. Possible town frustration in 170? And I'm not sure if I'm just being thrown off by how anti-town he looks to me.

BoroPhil -- null leaning null. I should be able to say more but idk. This is how I feel automatically when someone goes, "Lynch me but you'll be lynching town." It just makes my brain mad at itself.

Still a scumread. Looks more like he's trying to make a debacle out of Jake's pressure on him than actually doing anything meaningful with it.

1) Finished my first game ever two days ago. I replaced into that one as well. I'm currently in a dying game and in pregame for another.
2) I've only played one game so... can't really say. I would think mafia or town PR just 'cause I think it'd be more interesting than VT.

Do you have experience playing mafia outside of MafiaScum? You don't strike me as an inexperienced player.

UNVOTE: Thesp

Because now I see Thesp as town and I'm not happy with myself.

[Bins]

Honey bee -- Town. Not really anything to say, just get a town vibe at this moment. Provides good content,

has good town reads

, and asks good questions. She's only made 8 posts so that's about as much as I can say.

Um.. well maybe your talking about my thing about cheery dog in post 173?
As I said, I don't think about towniness very much, and I am not ready to rule out anyone out of the game right now. Unless town reads to you mean something different?

Oops, sorry. That was terrible wording. I meant how you reacted to certian votes and questioned the logic behind them. You're right, they're not necessarily town reads. I meant more how you discount votes.

Also what do you not like about Brian's posts?

Not gonna lie, mostly a gut feeling. Flames' votes didn't help either. I knew making the post, if anyones spot on my list was going to change, it was going to be Brian's cause he had only made his openning post...s.

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Either way, there were some things I didn't like in Thesp's case against Jake. I think he had a misunderstanding of why Jake was calling him scummy in the first place, and Jake was scumhunting outside of Thesp to start with (he was originally voting Gottemer before Thesp attacked him). Maybe Thesp was just pissed off at Jake's mutiny?

I know this might be terrible, but what I know from just reading games, people to tend to be "just pissed off at Jake" a lot.

Do you have experience playing mafia outside of MafiaScum? You don't strike me as an inexperienced player.

... I played the party game? Other than that, nope. Totally honest saying my last game was my first online mafia game. My boyfriend (who got me into this) told me all the terminology and stuff. I read a lot before I started playing as well. That's why I recognize a lot of people's playstyles.

[Brian Skies]

I know this might be terrible, but what I know from just reading games, people to tend to be "just pissed off at Jake" a lot.

I just played a game with him recently, so I've already seen this in action.

... I played the party game? Other than that, nope. Totally honest saying my last game was my first online mafia game. My boyfriend (who got me into this) told me all the terminology and stuff. I read a lot before I started playing as well. That's why I recognize a lot of people's playstyles.

Okay, this makes sense. I looked at your completed game and you had a similar entrance. There are just a lot of things in your logic you don't expect from newer players.

[TheGottemer]

Ok...the posts that I was mentioning simply confirmed my suspicions of Boro. I voted him before because he hadn't posted in a while and also had not been prodded.

[Boonskiies]

VOTE: Brian Skies

Avoiding future prod. Sorry, I'll catch up shortly..

[Honey bee]

Ok...the posts that I was mentioning simply confirmed my suspicions of Boro. I voted him before because he hadn't posted in a while and also had not been prodded.

You made a reads post. You usually say why you were voting a person at the time you voted them, because you are held accountable to your vote.

So why is that scummy? And why not vote anyone else who hasn't been posting on a regular basis like boon or me?

VOTE: Brian Skies

Avoiding future prod. Sorry, I'll catch up shortly..

Please explain this vote when get back.

Oops, sorry. That was terrible wording. I meant how you reacted to certian votes and questioned the logic behind them. You're right, they're not necessarily town reads. I meant more how you discount votes.

Lol it's fine. I just didn't want you to get the wrong idea about me.

Brian's posts seem ok to me *shrug*.