Newbie 1687 (Game Over)

[notachipmunk]

Since it's back at 2 votes and I feel sad and lonely with my unvote and Rufus' theory hurts my soul, unless it's legit, then my brain hurts...

VOTE: literallypam

Is this day gonna be extended for replacement purposes on kirroha?

[Drixx]

Wow ... FroGSC2 ... you're going to need to adjust to the site here mate.

[FrogSC2]

Still?

Official Mod Prod on 24ers.

Kagesong
Kirroha - who requested replacement
Pam

I'm going to be spending less time on this game. I'll probably post in twilight with full last will.

[FrogSC2]

Wow ... FroGSC2 ... you're going to need to adjust to the site here mate.

I enjoy the ability for relaxed, thorough analysis for backburner games. But are you telling me this inactivity isn't much? Esp for a small game? If this game were 48 hours, the vote shuffling would be intense. Expanded across time, this feels lackluster.

Can I apply for 2 newbie games at once to get the 3 game requirement out of the way? Don't get me wrong, I love the newbie slot, but I want to expand to other parts of the site as well.

[Drixx]

You aren't actually obligated to start on the Road to Rome. You must simply complete your first newbie game before you can play in more than one newbie game at a time, and to hit SE status you need 2 newbie games complete and one game elsewhere.

But you can go sign up in another queue any time you like.

If you look at completed newbie games, you'll see that nearly 300 posts is a lot for a day one. I was just as taken aback by the slower pace when I first joined.

The reason I said you will need to adapt to the site is that you've kind of run roughshod over some people's potential plays. Like you pointed out that the PR claim could be WiFoM by a VT trying to draw a kill. Why help the scum team think that through at all? If that

is

a level 2 play, don't help the scum realize it. It's possible they would take the claim at face value and kill it without taking any time during the night to evaluate other slots, and that would be a huge advantage to the town. You pointing out that possibility ensures the scum will evaluate more fully.

Things like that. I haven't done a quote wall just because I don't want to be super negative. The best advice I can give is to play the way you play and just know you'll make some mistakes or some plays that aren't necessarily mistakes but will be viewed as such because of site meta. It's much better to play aggressively and interact and try to actually play the game and make a few mistakes along the way than it is to be passive and lose everything you bring to the table. Which, from what I've seen this game, is a lot.

I hope that makes sense.

[kagesong]

UNVOTE: LiterallyPam

Town:
Me- because I'm the sheriff jailor obviously

I'm probably falling into a silly simple trap here.

This is a lie, I'm the Jailkeeper.

Town wouldn't lie about this, FrogSC2 is the Mafia Roleblocker, we need to lynch him today, I'll jail Kagesong tonight and if there's no kill, we lynch him the next day.

VOTE: FrogSC2

Alternately, if you don't believe my claim, lynch me today and expose Frog's lie then lynch him and Kagesong...kill Frog or Me, that gives the most info

ACTUALLY you just open the door to more WIFOM that is unnecessary. IF we lynch frog or pam, i say pam, then jail me, the scum will simply not NK then I, according to your theory, would be confirmed scum, whether or not i am. HOWEVER, my theory all along has been that you and pam are scum, and that you are playing double to ensure that pam does not get lynched OR if they do that suspicion falls on someone else. You're almost good at this. But, I'm very good at seeing through these loops, I believe most of the town is. We don't play this game because we're bad with psychology. I think you should become the D2 lynch.

end of day i will be voting pam for now

[/unvote] whoever i voted for UNVOTE:
[/vote] Rufus Delorian VOTE:

my vote might have been there, i just want to make sure.

[FrogSC2]

You aren't actually obligated to start on the Road to Rome. You must simply complete your first newbie game before you can play in more than one newbie game at a time, and to hit SE status you need 2 newbie games complete and one game elsewhere.

But you can go sign up in another queue any time you like.

If you look at completed newbie games, you'll see that nearly 300 posts is a lot for a day one. I was just as taken aback by the slower pace when I first joined.

The reason I said you will need to adapt to the site is that you've kind of run roughshod over some people's potential plays. Like you pointed out that the PR claim could be WiFoM by a VT trying to draw a kill. Why help the scum team think that through at all? If that

is

a level 2 play, don't help the scum realize it. It's possible they would take the claim at face value and kill it without taking any time during the night to evaluate other slots, and that would be a huge advantage to the town. You pointing out that possibility ensures the scum will evaluate more fully.

Things like that. I haven't done a quote wall just because I don't want to be super negative. The best advice I can give is to play the way you play and just know you'll make some mistakes or some plays that aren't necessarily mistakes but will be viewed as such because of site meta. It's much better to play aggressively and interact and try to actually play the game and make a few mistakes along the way than it is to be passive and lose everything you bring to the table. Which, from what I've seen this game, is a lot.

I hope that makes sense.

I see what you're trying to say. I just don't know if I can adjust to such a slow play to allow levels to plays out, esp in a newbie game where it's unlikely.

I would love to hear your full on criticism. Not just for this game, but for play in general. I'd almost love to heads up with you D1 for this purpose in fast exchange.

[Drixx]

I'll be happy to give a critique if you like after the game. I don't think it is helpful to the current game state to do it right now. I'm not scum and I see no reason so far to read you as scum so us just talking about game theory and such won't really help.

[Rufus Delorian]

Actually Kage, you're terrible at seeing through loops, you've been 100% sure I'm scum since the start and I'm not, I'm pretty sure Literallypam's going to flip town too.

I doubt skipping a NK in the hope of getting a mislynch would benefit scum, they'd be swapping a sure kill for a risky one...they could kill you (if you're town) and implicate me as scum, I doubt that'll happen though.

[kagesong]

Actually Kage, you're terrible at seeing through loops, you've been 100% sure I'm scum since the start and I'm not, I'm pretty sure Literallypam's going to flip town too.

I doubt skipping a NK in the hope of getting a mislynch would benefit scum, they'd be swapping a sure kill for a risky one...they could kill you (if you're town) and implicate me as scum, I doubt that'll happen though.

However, it is your surefire defense of pam, who is basically agreed to be scum, that makes you suspicious. Right now, if she flips scum, you're almost definitely D2 lynch.

correction of mistype earlier

VOTE: Rufus Delorian

[kagesong]

@mod Can we get a vote count please? I got a bit lost.

[Zaicon]

Vote Count 1.5

literallypam (3):

Reubus Swagrid, Drixx, notachipmunk

kirroha (2):

FrogSC2, PantherPunt

FrogSC2 (2):

kirroha, Rufus Delorian

Drixx (1):

literallypam

Rufus Delorian (1):

kagesong

No Vote (0)

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!

Deadline is Tuesday, March 8, at 8:00 AM CST, which is in (expired on 2016-03-08 08:00:00).

Finding a replacement for kirroha.
Prodding literallypam.

[kagesong]

@mod Can we please prod literallypam?

[PantherPunt]

is this deadline not being extended?

[PantherPunt]

le sigh

VOTE: literallypam

L-1

no quickhammers

[FrogSC2]

yuuuup. :-/

[FrogSC2]

UNVOTE: LiterallyPam

Town:
Me- because I'm the sheriff jailor obviously

I'm probably falling into a silly simple trap here.

This is a lie, I'm the Jailkeeper.

Town wouldn't lie about this, FrogSC2 is the Mafia Roleblocker, we need to lynch him today, I'll jail Kagesong tonight and if there's no kill, we lynch him the next day.

VOTE: FrogSC2

Alternately, if you don't believe my claim, lynch me today and expose Frog's lie then lynch him and Kagesong...kill Frog or Me, that gives the most info

ACTUALLY you just open the door to more WIFOM that is unnecessary. IF we lynch frog or pam, i say pam, then jail me, the scum will simply not NK then I, according to your theory, would be confirmed scum, whether or not i am. HOWEVER, my theory all along has been that you and pam are scum, and that you are playing double to ensure that pam does not get lynched OR if they do that suspicion falls on someone else. You're almost good at this. But, I'm very good at seeing through these loops, I believe most of the town is. We don't play this game because we're bad with psychology. I think you should become the D2 lynch.

end of day i will be voting pam for now

[/unvote] whoever i voted for UNVOTE:
[/vote] Rufus Delorian VOTE:

my vote might have been there, i just want to make sure.

/claps

So proud

[FrogSC2]

Actually Kage, you're terrible at seeing through loops, you've been 100% sure I'm scum since the start and I'm not, I'm pretty sure Literallypam's going to flip town too.

I doubt skipping a NK in the hope of getting a mislynch would benefit scum, they'd be swapping a sure kill for a risky one...they could kill you (if you're town) and implicate me as scum, I doubt that'll happen though.

However, it is your surefire defense of pam, who is basically agreed to be scum, that makes you suspicious. Right now, if she flips scum, you're almost definitely D2 lynch.

correction of mistype earlier

VOTE: Rufus Delorian

Think through POE:

I expect you're not a hottarget despite being cleared IMO.

Also, welcome replacements. I've long awaited your arrivals

*waves*

HAMMER TIME!

... jk

Please don't hammer.

If you want to start thinking mechanically, (the reason I want more conversation), work on POE (Process of Elimination) if/then's. Pretty small game, so there are only 6 alternatives.

Something like this.

POE (Process of Elimination) Last Will

Legend
D1 = Day 1
F3 = Final 3
MYLO = Mislynch and Lose

1)
POE:
literallypam!scum!D1
PlayerB!scum!D2

2)
POE:
literallypam!scum!D1
PlayerB!town!D2
PlayerC!scum!D3

3)
POE:
literallypam!scum!D1
PlayerB!town!D2
PlayerC!town!D3
PlayerD!F3!D4

4)
POE:
literallypam!town!D1
PlayerD!scum!D2
PlayerE!scum!D3

5)
POE:
literallypam!town!D1
PlayerD!scum!D2
PlayerE!town!D3
PlayerC!F3!D4

6)
POE:
literallypam!town!D1
PlayerD!town!D2
???!MYLO!D3

[FrogSC2]

Test.

I'm going to hammer in the last 2 hours.

[PantherPunt]

Sorry guys. Real life is too hectic so

I'm going to replace out of a few games which I haven't been able to catch up on

.

I need to do things that require less brain power.

I'm still mad about this because she didn't answer any questions addressed to her and just bailed. And is playing like 7 other games and as far as I can tell didn't sub out of any of them.

If she's scum I'm blacklisting. Terrible form.

[PantherPunt]

Frog do whatever you want but I'd be amazed if this game day wasn't extended

[Reubus Swagrid]

Spoiler: Holy shit that wall of text

Multiple people, especially newer players, attack and accuse me of scum convincingly now.

I'll give you a jump start:
I'm attacking Drixx, the leader of the Pam train. Use that and content as fuel for your arguments.
I've asked players questions, question my motives for those prods and reasonings for those questions.

I really thought I was the leader of the Pam train as per this post:

And also because it seems like everyone wants a Drixx lynch but everyone who hasn't voted is scared they'll look bad jumping on now.

VOTE: literallypam

This is RVS, nobody said they wanted a Drixx lynch. Also you're jumping on now? There is no case for Drixx being scum so jumping on this 'wagon' that has no substance would look bad, which is what you seem do be doing.

but whatever floats your boat

You sunk your battleship.

You want lock clear (pending scum flip) before going into the night that bad?

What mean?

I've generally included both you and Drixx being the Pam promoters, but I framed a few arguments as Drixx being the leader of the Pam train (when you pretty much were).

You're asking for this recognition.

If Pam flips scum, as you suspect according to your vote, then you'll pretty much be a lock clear town. That would make you the main night kill target, especially is the public acknowledges you as the train leader.

I'm framing Drixx as the leader so in the event of Pam!Scum, Drixx is the preferred NK, because he is the more suspicious of the two of you (to me).

So what I'm saying is, why do you want that recognition of being seen as the Pam train leader?

It's in the open now, so no point in not explaining what I was doing there.

Because endorphins and ego...

But seriously, I'm not wanting recognition. I just thought it was stange af that you said Drixx was the leader of the wagon as opposed to me. Either way I'm confident in lynching Pam. As I said, whatever floats your boat.

[Reubus Swagrid]

Deadline is Tuesday, March 8, at 8:00 AM CST, which is in 0 days, 0 hours, 34 minutes.

[notachipmunk]

I wonder if you can do a conditional vote =p VOTE: if deadline not extended and [no vote] if deadline extended

[Reubus Swagrid]

I wonder if you can do a conditional vote =p VOTE: if deadline not extended and [no vote] if deadline extended

Unfortunately that doesn't exist unless you made a bot for it. Testing it and it not working would have hilarious results if you were dat hammer