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↑ tojam2 wrote:@BBT or @GL: could you explain why agreeing with someone is scummy?

Can you show me where either of us has said that?

And can you answer the question you've dodged again?

↑ tojam2 wrote:a lot of you want either a Fire policy lynch or a Gl scum lynch

↑ GuiltyLion wrote:who is pushing for my lynch? Two votes on me are from RVS. NH has vocalized concerns with me but as far as I can tell they are more concerned with SirCakez.

↑ shaddowez wrote:Can you please specify "a lot of you", because from what I saw it was a total of around 3 people.

↑ Night Hunters wrote:No. It doesn't. This allows him to attack any wagon without taking a position. He also didn't attack our wagon.

I'm not "attacking" just any wagon though, I'm pushing on the early SirCakez wagon.

This is a point about things that I could theoretically do, instead of things that I have actually done, which is the kind of argument that often comes from scum.

↑ Firebringer wrote:

↑ BlueBloodedToffee wrote:That's cute.

I guess I'm gonna have to lynch you.

You can have until tomorrow though because I'm busy right now.

I like your level of arrogance, but I don't consider that "town"

Your actions so far, are pretty anti town

or at least neutral.

Keep saying that you must lynch me.

Cause thats really shows you are trying to scumhunt.

Coming from someone who claimed PR unprovoked.

At least your last few posts have generated some useful content compared to earlier in the game. But I believe you will have to look elsewhere because BBT actually has been trying to scumhunt, IMO.

↑ GuiltyLion wrote:...

Altogether, it was mostly justifiable claims about his play so far, but nothing convincing and certainly easy enough reasons for someone to fake a scumread over. And then you have all the subsequent posts like this:

↑ tojam2 wrote:I agree with BBT, SC has had a weird change in heart and only in less than a day. VOTE: SC

and this:

↑ shaddowez wrote:You have no scum reads, and don't want to continue wagoning people....yep, I'm good with this wagon.

VOTE: SirCakez

and this:

↑ ɀefiend wrote:For now, I'm interested in the SC-Firebringer connection and the possible WKing theory floating about. I need to see how certain things develop.

and this:

↑ massive wrote:In any case, I don't find it a reason to townread SirCakez

and it all reads together like a lot of action on the sidelines around SirCakez, where I believe there is a better chance of scum posturing than there is of SC being scum (by sheer probability). That's why I get suspicious of the early wagons and why I'd rather investigate the voters instead of the voted.

Let's discuss this, shall we?

1. I had not noticed tojam's early vote on SirCakez til this post and I went back and re-read. After seeing it and realizing that his next post is hopping from SC to you, I find this wishy-washy and certainly potential posturing against town!SirCakez. It gives me a town-lean on you and SirCakez because tojam's latest post(s?) have not changed my mind that he's scummy. Would you agree with this assessment?

2. What do you think of shaddowez' post 214? Lots of good questions and content. How does this post and other shaddowez actions fit into your posturing investigaton?

3. Since I never actually voted for SirCakez, did my exchange with him give you the impression that I was pushing him? If you have time to read all of it, what is your over-all take-away from both our stances during the exchange and how does my behavior fit into your posturing investigation?

4. This looks like possible shadow-casting. Would you agree? massive has been getting stronger on my scumdar and if SirCakez is town I definitely see the alleged posturing here.

↑ massive wrote:

↑ Jeanne11 wrote:Welp, I don't know what to say and sound rational.

↑ Jeanne11 wrote:I will keep my vote where it is. I feel comfortable with it.

So we can assume that this is ... not rational?

Would you mind providing your top scum-read so far with reasons? Your vote is currently sitting on a claimed PR and I think everyone would appreciate some more meaningful content from you.

↑ Aristophanes wrote:Alright! I have officially caught up on the game!

Reads thus far:
Scum Leans: Cake, ToJam, Zeif
Town Leans: NH, FB, Shadow, BBT

VOTE: Cakey

Would you like to talk about these reads in more detail?

I can understand why you lean scum on SirCakez, although I do not agree. I definitely agree with your scum-lean on tojam. However you are the first person to openly read me as scummy if I'm not mistaken. Please expound.

How are you arriving at NH, Firebringer, and BBT all at town-leans given the current dynamics of the game? Namely, BBT has called out NH, and Firebringer seems to think there is one scum in NH/BBT. Also, given that GuiltyLion is a large part of the current focus with these players, where do you lean on him and why?

↑ SirCakez wrote:How are their (Night Hunters) arguments reasonable? Go reread their most recent posts and come back.

Requoting since it was ignored
@Aristophanes

↑ SirCakez wrote:

↑ Night Hunters wrote:SirCakez faked his reads and has basically been looking to have the game push anyone else and had a terrible white knight of a massive RVS wagon.

I've got a few people who I'd consider voting right now. It's about 4 players deep, SirCakez leading the way.

-Mom

I've already disproved all of this and you're ignoring it conveniently.

↑ SirCakez wrote:

↑ Night Hunters wrote:SirCakez has been desperate for a handout for anything else he can scumread and not look like the scum he is.

Third time I'm saying this: this is bull for reasons I've already said and you know it is and are choosing to ignore it.

↑ SirCakez wrote:Aristo why are you town reading NH?

- Do you have anything new to contribute? Basically every post of your since 180 has been repeating yourself (which you say in your posts) or asking for other people's opinions on NH. Do you have any other reads?

↑ Night Hunters wrote:

↑ massive wrote:

↑ GuiltyLion wrote:That's why I get suspicious of the early wagons and why I'd rather investigate the voters instead of the voted.

This makes a lot of sense and I like the consistency. I'm interested to hear your thoughts once NH answers your question in 233.

No. It doesn't. This allows him to attack any wagon without taking a position. He also didn't attack our wagon.

~Mom

Do you consider your wagon and SC's wagon to have the same level of seriousness in the game? I have a feeling, though I could be wrong, that GL doesn't care about RVS wagons. I'm also not fond of you using the word "attacking", as that would come across as hard defending the wagonee to me.

↑ Aristophanes wrote:Shadow, why call me out as "using my scum meta" and then not vote or push me farther? I figured you'd be all over that and was very surprised by the lack of vote.

It was enough to ping me but not move my vote yet. I'm willing to see where it goes from there.

VOTE: tojam

Jumps on the SC wagon for no reason in 99, jumps onto GL in his very next post with no good reasoning except "a lot of people" and an OMGUS vote, isn't responding to questions. No reason to not have my vote here.

↑ shaddowez wrote:SC - Do you have anything new to contribute? Basically every post of your since 180 has been repeating yourself (which you say in your posts) or asking for other people's opinions on NH. Do you have any other reads?

Yeah NH keeps throwing shit at me and it's irritating.
I think tojam is scum, BBT/GL/Shadowez are town, Aristo is a scum lean for his weird reads, Jeanne is null and should be doing more, Fire is probably town. That's everything I can think of the top of my head.

I'm anticipating a wagon directed at me; I don't know where that question you are talking about is GL, quote it or give a link please.

I said the reason I voted for you GL was because I agreed with BBT's analysis, so by attacking what I've said is saying I'm not allowed to agree with someone, why so?

↑ ɀefiend wrote:Would you mind providing your top scum-read so far with reasons? Your vote is currently sitting on a claimed PR and I think everyone would appreciate some more meaningful content from you.

No one's convinced me to move my vote. Certainly not Firebringer with his PR claim two posts after saying no one was ever going to NK him.

- V/LA until Tuesday, 3/8

↑ massive wrote:

↑ ɀefiend wrote:Would you mind providing your top scum-read so far with reasons? Your vote is currently sitting on a claimed PR and I think everyone would appreciate some more meaningful content from you.

No one's convinced me to move my vote. Certainly not Firebringer with his PR claim two posts after saying no one was ever going to NK him.

*Bell sounds*
-Dad

↑ massive wrote:No one's convinced me to move my vote. Certainly not Firebringer with his PR claim two posts after saying no one was ever going to NK him.

So you want to vote a claimed PR because....
If you think I will get killed then this vote is pointless.

If you don't think I will get killed it is also pointless cause I can prove it in later stages my role.
So....its kind of scummy.

↑ ɀefiend wrote:Coming from someone who claimed PR unprovoked.

Yes because 3 people saying they are fine with Policy lynching me = No provocation.

I claim so that town wouldn't waste time on lynching or even arguing for a policy lynch and its anti town.
W/e.

To each his own perspective. I really don't care if you think its anti town.

To put it bluntly: I don't believe you.

Which PR are you Fire?

Looking back that sounds scummy, I'm an Intern by the way, so when one if you PRs dies, I replace you.

Any Ccs?

wtf
-dad

Tojam wtf are you doing?

This game day got really really hilarious.
Two PR outed.

GG no re.

↑ massive wrote:To put it bluntly: I don't believe you.

Believe me or not, my role will get confirmed down the line. So lynching me day 1 is anti town.