Open 735: Watchmen Wanted - Game Over!

[the worst]

I was pretty null on Ausuka in ISO but in real time she looks towny

[the worst]

volxen/sesq/271 all fine lynches

:0

#me

[the worst]

dunnstral seems kind of scummy right now, so that's a good a place as any for a vote.

wHY

[the worst]

@mod

any chance of a deadline extension?

[Flicker]

Votecount 1.10

volxen (4)

- Reundo 220, Sesq 222, Keyser Söze 224, Ausuka 239

[2 718281828459] (2)

- Kop 194, volxen 237

Toranaga (1)

- Irrelephant11 255

Dunnstral (1)

- northsidegal 170

Sesq (1)

- Dunnstral 117

Not voting: the worst, Toranaga 110, [2 718281828459] 151

The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).

Mod notes

• -
  @the worst
  : I'm planning on pausing the deadline at 48 hours to the end of Day 1 until the other replacement is found, if necessary. Is that fine, or do you want more or an extension?

[volxen]

@Volxen in your previous readslist why did you include more nullreads than scum or town reads?

Fair question. I only included those four reads because It’s honestly been hard to get reads on people in this game. However, Sesq and Toranaga are now also scumreads for me, largely due to the points that I brought up in 254. 2.718 is still a scumread for me, and I believe it is very likely that there is at least one scum among {2.718, Sesq, Toranaga}. I will reiterate all of this in an updated readslist post that I will be making soon.

Reundo is someone that I would like to get a read on, but I’ve been having a very difficult time trying to read him. I

REALLY

did

NOT

like the way he started this game in 46. But I’m not sure if his interactions (and arguments) with Keyser are SvT or TvT (Keyser is still a townread for me). The last time I went through his ISO and reviewed his interactions with Keyser, I ended up just getting really frustrated because I couldn’t get a read on him one way or another. I’m going to review Reundo’s content again, and hopefully I will catch something that I may have missed the first time around.

Anyways, that’s just a brief update on where I am at reads-wise. I know our deadline is coming up soon, so I plan to post an updated readslist by tomorrow.

[volxen]

@volxen

Are you saying that those three players are scummy for contributing to the apathy/lurking that festers in this game? Or are you just pissed off for being s/read; being our first wagon?

Both, Keyser. Yes, I am irritated that there is a wagon on me, but I'm equally irritated by the fact that apathetic and non-contributing slots such as 2.718, Sesq, and Toranaga are slipping by under the radar in spite of their blatant active lurking and apathy in this game.

[Irrelephant11]

EWO welcomeee

volxen part of it is that there’s been too many active lurkers for it to be AI for them all

[the worst]

Rel! : ] are you town?

Reundo's argument with Keyser felt reachy and nitpicky and unrelatable, IDK I couldn't really get inside his head during the whole thing. he kinda reminds me of one of my all time favourite players of All time who is similar as scum which I think is why it's pinging me.

[Sesq]

So Apparently, having reads and trying to help gamesolve is scummier than, say, doing absolutely nothing and actively lurking while being blatantly apathetic about it. Let’s look at 2.718’s, Toranaga’s and Sesq’s recent posts:

2.718:

in 182, he declares that

nothing

is worth his attention. I mean, what exactly was the purpose of this post? To prod dodge? Or is it more along the lines of “hey I probably could gamesolve, but it’s just not worth my time”? Whatever the case, it certainly didn’t contribute anything. Blatant active lurking and apathy.

And then in 215, he asks “everyone else” to get some wagons going because he finds the game to be getting “boring”. So rather than doing something productive himself, he is simply expecting

everyone else

to produce content. Again, blatant active lurking and apathy.

In 231, instead of helping to gamesolve he gives excuses for why he

isn’t

helping to gamesolve. Blatant active lurking and apathy.

Toranaga:

In 190, he literally admits to not having any interest in this game and blames it on everyone else. Again, a case of someone expecting everyone else to make the game interesting, rather than producing meaningful content themselves. Blatant active lurking and apathy.

In 192 he namedrops me, Sesq, and 2.718 as his scumreads, only to say that he could case all of us,

if only

he had the motivation to do so. He’s carrying himself with this “I don’t give a shit about this game, but if I did I could easily gamesolve the whole thing” attitude. Blatant active lurking and apathy.

218 and 241 are just fluffposts.

In 243, he once again reinforces his lack of motivation in this game. Blatant active lurking and apathy.

Sesq:

He votes for me in 222, with no explanation other than “Yeah, I can see that”. Then in 249, he declares that he might as well vote for me because, hey, he didn’t have any of his own scumreads anyways. What is he trying to say here, that he doesn’t think for himself and try to gamesolve, but rather just goes with the flow? Blatant active lurking and apathy.

We’ve got multiple people who are engaged in blatant active lurking and complete apathy towards this game, and yet I’m the first one to even bring it up in this post. Why is that?

well yeah, if nothing else stands out to me

nothing is really super apparent with this gamestate and you looked kinda like scum so im gonna sheep it. what else did you expect?

[Dunnstral]

Yeah, i can see that

Can you point it out for me?

Now would be a good time to explain this Sesq

[Reundo]

I'm on my phone rn so I can't really quote or respond to anyone right now, but for now I'll say that I think volxen's case against active lurkers is hypocritical considering he's been active lurking as well for the most part. Also don't like how he didn't respond to any of my questions and that his only critera for scum-reading people has been based on his "active lurking" theory. Admittedly, his later posts do seem a bit better for reasons I might explain later and the sheer speed of how the wagon built up is a bit suspcious, but my vote's fine here for now. I'm null on the duck.

I might have to go v/la for the weekend since I might literally not have access to wifi during that time, so just a head's up on that.

[the worst]

hi Reundo!!

are we enemies again this game?

[volxen]

Welcome, The Worst. Long time no see...

[the worst]

Nice to see you too, new friend.

[northsidegal]

IT'S THE DUCKY

[northsidegal]

dunnstral seems kind of scummy right now, so that's a good a place as any for a vote.

wHY

mainly i felt like -nothing- he was saying early was actually town indicative, which on its own might not make that much sense (not noticing towny things = scum?) but i feel like it's relevant. if someone is town thwn i would expect that they would show it in some way. here's what i mean (aka my shitty mathdino-style "lolcase" that will, going off of previous experience, get me either scumread or into a very stupid argument that lasts longer than it should):

Spoiler:

We end up at 4 people alive but 1 person is confirmed town (watcher) or there's a cc

So it's not worse

completely mechanically speaking, irrelevant to alignment

I mean it's not worse than a regular game at 3 people alive

----

Keyser I don't think I caught you in the game we played, not sure why you think I should be "taking lead" today either

completely mechanical + statement of fact

If Dunnstral flips red I would actually wanna put Irrelephant under closer inspection (i.e ill-timed/ill-formed distancing attempt). Or vice versa. I've enjoyed talking to Irrelephant11 so he's on the green side of null so far.

This is bad preflip stuff and you have to jump to a lot of conclusions to get to this point - also it's not warranted at this time

VOTE: Sesq
This is a good place to put a serious vote

this one is arguable but pointing out questionable play is something that can be done as town or scum, perhaps even especially so as scum given that you have insight into if something is already correct (not that that's an argument for it being more likely to come from scum)

and so on (i'm lazy + washed up), i think this trend continues of things that are reasonable from an entirely objective point of view but don't actually really reveal a town mindset continues

it's also possible i'm biased because of his response to what i said regarding kop which i feel was more unreasonable than i expect from dunnstral

[northsidegal]

-shrug-

i think there are a few posts in his iso that might be vague towntells (going off of previous experience from mini normal 2005) but i'm not actually sure if they're reliably town-indicative for dunnstral

[northsidegal]

anyways, i feel as if this game i'm just going to try to get a towncore and go off of poe mainly

town:
northsidegal
2.718281828459 (unfortunate you didn't replace into this slot ducky, i think it's town)
Ausuka
Keyser Söze (presuming i can trust kop on keyser's alignment and just for now - keyser is someone who i plan to do more meta on when i get the energy or when someone bothers me about it enough)
Irrelephant11

that leaves:
{volxen, the worst, Dunnstral, Reundo, Toranaga, Kop}

which feels vaguely alright in terms of a poe

[northsidegal]

@mod

any chance of a deadline extension?

oh yeah, i echo this,

@mod

. i think a deadline extension is warranted, not just the freezing.

[northsidegal]

another thing (sorry for the spamposting:)

@volxen:

how much mafia experience do you have? do you know the ducky...?

[the worst]

I quite liked 117 from Dunn, I feel he's like totally capable of more as town and I'm looking forward to a lot more from him but I felt like his vote on Sesq was kinda bold at that point. I'm not really seeing anything town indicative in Sesq's ISO and kinda grumpy-poe-scumreading them though so maybe we're just on opposite ends of a swing saw there.

[the worst]

Ah volxen and I have met in site chat and [redacted for siterule reasons]

[northsidegal]

but for now I'll say that I think volxen's case against active lurkers is hypocritical considering he's been active lurking as well for the most part.

next up on

nsg's guide to

lazy

low-effort

very accurate reads!!!

™ - we'll be taking a note out of mathdino's book and we'll be townreading hypocrisy!

after all, i would personally imagine that newbie scum (assuming volxen is a newbie) would feel self-conscious about trying to push someone for something that he himself knows he's doing. of course, that's assuming that volxen recognizes his own inactivity, but i think we can take that to be true given this:

I've been busy with work, I will respond more tomorrow.

[the worst]

I kinda want to swap Dunn and E/2.71 in your PoE but otherwise we're pretty close stance wise. I can't find a reason to like E yet.

though maybe you're scum for putting your name in your town list.....


hmm interesting take on Volx/Reundo. I want to read them as not scum together fwiw