Open 754: Fire and Ice (Game Over) Fire Mafia wins.

[Allomancer]

How could anyone have thought Allo was actually at L-1? Sometimes I do wonder if people have brains.

i'm sorry we don't all count votes in our heads as we read the thread mr smartypants

[Eyes without a face]

So that's it. Any questions?

Yes. Have meta dived me? I have 4 finished games on MS and I only won the first of them.. the one that I got lynched in D1 in. My reads are generally bad even when I'm close to certain (proven by me tunneling a townie for an entire game and rage quitting when I couldn't get them lynched, yet every lynch the town had was on town still).

So, excuse me when I try to boost my confidence by stating my own reads but asking for someone else's opinion. Someone I know that is. Vedith was with me in the last game (at least the last game) and I kinda think he is town in this game (he was scum in that last game).

Anyway, your case is understood. I think I can appreciate it for now, but liking it is another matter.

P.S. Why would I buddy you when I don't even know you. Isn't buddying meant to be towards strong players?

[Eyes without a face]

266 is actually reasons. Pintu-town.

Don't call him town or he'll think you're buddying him.

[GrandWazoo]

I keep having to remind myself there's only 4 scums in this game. Allo's one of them.

VOTE: Allo

That's L-3. L-3 is the vote thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be L-3.

[pinturicchio]

So that's it. Any questions?

Yes. Have meta dived me? I have 4 finished games on MS and I only won the first of them.. the one that I got lynched in D1 in. My reads are generally bad even when I'm close to certain (proven by me tunneling a townie for an entire game and rage quitting when I couldn't get them lynched, yet every lynch the town had was on town still).

So, excuse me when I try to boost my confidence by stating my own reads but asking for someone else's opinion. Someone I know that is. Vedith was with me in the last game (at least the last game) and I kinda think he is town in this game (he was scum in that last game).

Anyway, your case is understood. I think I can appreciate it for now, but liking it is another matter.

P.S. Why would I buddy you when I don't even know you. Isn't buddying meant to be towards strong players?

I think you were buddying Vedith, not me! By following Vedith and asking him "do you think this guy should be in our townbloc?" was like trying to be on good terms with someone who knows you.

I haven't meta dived you, but I read the game were you realized Slaxx was a Doctor and outed him that's a pretty solid read if you ask me. Do you think that, if I meta dive you, I'll get a different perspective about you?

[maadneet]

my gut's been pegging BEF as scum for a while now
VOTE: BrightEyedFish

allo's been scummy but my gut says to give him a chance to put effort in

[brassherald]

There was a lull in the conversation as they counted votes.

Votecount 1.7

Allomancer (4)~

Vedith, Eyes Without A Face, ‪Dr Worm, GrandWazoo

BrightEyedFish (4)~

ofrhz, rosterfoster, Ceejayvinoya, maadneet

rosterfoster (2)~

Springtrap, BrightEyedFish

Ceejayvinoya(1)~

RuiRui

Eyes Without a Face (1)~

Pinturicchio

Not Voting (1)~

Allomancer

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

Mod Notes:

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2019-03-25 06:15:00).

[rosterfoster]

i'm sorry we don't all count votes in our heads as we read the thread mr smartypants

So you don't check when Vedith (who we all know trolls a touch) says you're at L-1 on page 7?

[BrightEyedFish]

@roster

How many of the 8 people currently voting me and Allo do you think are scum?

[rosterfoster]

I don’t actually think Allo is scum. I couldn’t take a guess on how many are on his wagon.

Assuming you’re scum, I’d wager one of the opposing team is on you and the other is not. Your buddy wouldn’t be voting you I think.

If you’re both town, I wouldn’t put us past all 4 scum being on the wagons. But I don’t think that’s the case

[Springtrap]

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

Sounds about right then.

[BrightEyedFish]

That puts me at L-2.
I'll go ahead and claim since I know the L-1 will be here soon enough. I'm VT.

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: Allomancer

That puts Allo also at L-2. I am having trouble locking Allo as town or scum but it looks like it's either me or Allo for the lynch today.

[pinturicchio]

Both are lazy wagons, but both could flip scum. BEF, wanna work together or are you kinda defeated and/or not invested enough to avoid your lynch?

[BrightEyedFish]

Both are lazy wagons, but both could flip scum. BEF, wanna work together or are you kinda defeated and/or not invested enough to avoid your lynch?

Of course I want to avoid my lynch. What were you thinking?

[pinturicchio]

I mean, of course you want to, I meant to ask if have the energy/time to do it. I'm asking you to cooperate in doing a wagonomics kind of analysis. Being a multiball is difficult to know who's town by votes on both leading wagons, but we can definitely get some insight on who could be scum in them. It won't be easy since either you or Allo are flipped, but it could help

[BrightEyedFish]

I wasn't trying to play 4D Chess or anything but after I made post 162, I thought this would be a good post for scum to get a wagon going. A vote on me after that post would not bring too much attention since the post was moderately scummy scum could feel safe jumping in early. That's why I think there is at least 1 scum in the first few votes on my wagon, ofr, roster and ceejay.

That's where my head is at right now.

[brassherald]

RuiRui has been prodded.

Ofrhz will need to post within the next 5 hours to avoid a prod.

[pinturicchio]

I wasn't trying to play 4D Chess or anything but after I made post 162, I thought this would be a good post for scum to get a wagon going. A vote on me after that post would not bring too much attention since the post was moderately scummy scum could feel safe jumping in early. That's why I think there is at least 1 scum in the first few votes on my wagon, ofr, roster and ceejay.

That's where my head is at right now.

Oh, I differ. Your wagon was formed when Allomancer's wagon began to lose traction; if your wagon formed right after you posted 162, I would agree, but the chicken's vote on you was pretty reactive and that could go either way. ofrhz voted before you posted 162, and ceejay I don't really know.

Instead, there are these two players who voted you and consolidated your wagon and made you a viable lynch: maadneet, who says that his gut's "been pegging BEF as scum for a while now" and to "give Allo a chance to put effort in"; and Springtrap, that only said that it sounds right voting you, making you the leading wagon over Allo.

The timing of this two votes is off: maadneet says he has you as scum for a while now, why not voting back then instead of doing it when your wagon is becoming a real thing? Why not doing it after 162, instead doing it now? Why doing it after I made a valuable case on a player, yet preffers to vote the option that is rising up as a viable lynch? Springtrap, on the other hand, has been in roster's wagon, which was the first leading wagon of the game with five votes, and now made you the leading wagon with his vote, without any kind of reasoning. I don't mind the lack of reasoning for joining a wagon, but two makes it suspicious.

Now, let's see maadneet's contributions to the game, shall we?

UNVOTE:

Ok, I've read through the thread.

@Springtrap haven't seen much from you, what are your reads so far?

@BrightEyedFish and @ceejayvinoya, any new reads since the Allo wagon?

I count 6, not 5.

my gut's been pegging BEF as scum for a while now
VOTE: BrightEyedFish

allo's been scummy but my gut says to give him a chance to put effort in

And that's it. Springtrap's contributions are almost the same thing, but at least he admitted that the game hasn't clicked for him.

So in conclusion, I tried to make an Eyes without a Face wagon going, but it was blatantly ignored, when it's clearly one of the biggest pieces of content on this game. It could mean that a) I hit the nail on the head, b) people didn't agree with it and just kept going with their own thoughts, or c) scum is taking advantage on the lazy gamestate and are just pushing the most convenient wagons, and Eyes' wagon didn't get the traction needed to get a lynch there.

I think it's a combination of the three of them, but I think maadneet falls in the letter c). So BEF, wanna follow there?

VOTE: maadneet

[ofrhz]

This game has been like the neglected middle child of my games, but rest assured, I will give this the care and nurturing it deserves today!

[pinturicchio]

Love the comparison, hate to be the middle child myself

[Allomancer]

VOTE: eyes

[pinturicchio]

Goddamnit Allo

[rosterfoster]

Hmm I’m starting to have doubts about BEF.

[rosterfoster]

I kind of feel like Allo is just trying not to say anything and praying BEF gets lynched.

VOTE: Allo

L-1