Newbie 1962 | (Game Over)

[faüstiv]

Fish I think you’re ick how about that?

Becky with the good hair dont care and neither do i. Your push is weak and you should feel bad about that.

Why do you think I asked about her experience and backed off when I thought about it some more? I actually think she’s town based on all of her responses. I think you trying to turn a 3 post interaction into a case is a huge stretch when the trajectory is pretty damn clear. Are you just trying to make anything stick or do you genuinely believe I’m “making bad pushes”?

I think for scum to win they have to kill townies and maybe you want to push me as scum to get me out of the way early, I don't know why you are making bad pushes. I think that if you were interested in why someone was playing a certain way that you would talk to them about it, but both times now you have kinda flown off half cocked only to retract within a post or two.

I guess for me you are being a little reckless with your vote and i dislike your style choice.

I don’t like Spartans sheep at all though. Torn between newb following what seemed logical at the time or fish being bad and not actually interacting with me directly.

Not sure i understand that last part.

I like how fish tries to hang me with my experience while at the same time explaining how I’m bad scum who’s not blending in.

???? lol

Did I say that? I think I said you could be scum because your pushes have been on town so far. And theyve been bad pushes. Im not roping you with a BoP rap here, so im not sure where that came from.

How do you know ETL’s pushes have been on town?

Because i know my alignment and i read the other push as being on newb town before ETL backed off.

So, i know half of the pushes have been on town, and suspect the other half is as well.

The initial points on himself/Gilded make sense from his pov, but the remainder is deliberately written to not draw attention with how they don't engage the other points that haven't been covered on by him at any point before.

It's a slip, and his justification simply doesn't work on the whole

VOTE: Formerfish

Yeah this still doesn’t sit right with me regarding Fish. Other than that though I’m not sure if he plays like he has done if he’s mafia.

I will have to read some of Fish’s other games I think before properly sorting him.

[faüstiv]

Geyde what are your thoughts on Chibiie so far?

[faüstiv]

I’m thinking fish/Farren/gdooog are all town based on voting patterns.

VOTE: TheGildedSun

[Chibiie]

I thought this game was getting back on track, but now is again boring...

Either we get a wagon goin' or good luck reading my slot after I ask to be replaced.

[Yodavader]

Let's see if we can start a wagon. I'm going with my original vote.

VOTE: Fish

[Yodavader]

True or False: Everyday must end in a lynch.

[eth0s]

Official Vote Count 1.15

Lynching

With 9 living players it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Formerfish

(2): Chibiie, Yodavader

Chibiie

(1): Formerfish

TheGildedSun

(1): faüstiv

Not Voting

(5): EspeciallyTheLies, Farren, TheGildedSun, Radja, Geyde

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-11-03 12:50:00).

Mod notes:

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[faüstiv]

True or False: Everyday must end in a lynch.

false

[faüstiv]

I thought this game was getting back on track, but now is again boring...

Either we get a wagon goin' or good luck reading my slot after I ask to be replaced.

Why are you so hell bent on rushing things?

[Chibiie]

Why are you so hell bent on rushing things?

We must push for info, there's 5 days left, irl events keep happening...
You think 5 days is enough to read scums 100%?

We need a lynch... We need info... Your turn of events look strange to me, will put you as netural.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Scum in {yoda, farren, gdogreplacementperson}

People I’m sure are town and I will prob never vote them: gilded, chibiie, Faust, radja

Fish and farren... both still kinda question marks but fish less so. The opposition to farren is noticeable though. Yodas vote on fish is gross too.

VOTE: yoda

Would be fine with farren or gdogperson as well today.

[Yodavader]

True or False: Everyday must end in a lynch.

false

Why false?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Geyde that’s the one. I’ll reread his posts later today and get a more solid read there.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

True or False: Everyday must end in a lynch.

false

Why false?

Because newbies and normals do not have a mandatory lynch rule. No lynch happens all the time. Day one is not the day for that to happen though.

[Yodavader]

I'm going to pull a Farren and wait until everyone answers and then give my answer. Though my answer will not be affected by what others think and I know that Chibiie already knows my stance on this because this came up in our last game.

[Farren]

Didn't mean to make it sound rude.
Will not apologize though, I'm trying to move the game, getting reactions out of you.

It is the nature of the game.

People usually react when they are insulted. Even if you think those reactions are somehow alignment-indicative, insulting people to get them is not cool.

Attack the play, not the player.

[Chibiie]

Didn't mean to make it sound rude.
Will not apologize though, I'm trying to move the game, getting reactions out of you.

It is the nature of the game.

People usually react when they are insulted. Even if you think those reactions are somehow alignment-indicative, insulting people to get them is not cool.

Attack the play, not the player.

Apologized already, stop bringing it up, thanks.
I just want a wagon already, even if I am the one voted, but please just build a wagon.

[Farren]

289 caught my eye. Assuming it refers to 280.

True or False: Everyday must end in a lynch.

Technically false under the game rules. No lynch can happen if 50% of the players vote for it, or if the deadline expires without a majority.

My proposed wording: every day *should* end in a lynch.

You'd have to add a caveat or two to make it foolproof - MYLO with no confirmed Town being the most relevant one by far - but in most cases going by this is how things should be.

We win by lynching scum. No-lynching has a 0% success of advancing our win condition; scum will still get to advance their win condition via the NK. Even mislynches can provide some benefit to the Town in terms of the information they provides.

[TheGildedSun]

My general opinions so far. These are subject to change as always. Will finish with completed list at some point when I get a chance to finalize my opinions.

faüstiv:

Town

Faust has felt very passive but to be honest I quite like it and therefore I consider them to be my strongest town read. I can certainly tell that they are being very scrutinous and have made many observations without jumping in too strong with accusations. They has an open mind I can tell without being too fixed on a certain read which just justifies my conclusion that he must be town aligned.

Geyde:

Leaning Town

The only real reason why I am leaning town on Geyde pertains to before they replaced Gdog. I was one of those people who hopped on the Gdog wagon but I wasn't necessarily as interested in lynching him, I mean't moreso to prod him to open up since the few posts he had made had no real denotations that anyone could make. The way that so many people voted for him leads me to believe that he must be town. It felt too forced imo. Especially with both Yoda and Fish voting for him, players who I consider questionable in their alignment...

EspeciallyTheLies:

Town

Besides generally agreeing with their views they've made a lot of passive posts white also pushing people to open up a bit which is something I very much value. They also are a very fair open minded player, similar to Faust, for reasons I explained above.

Formerfish:

Scum?

Honestly I have just gone through Fish's posts and.... I really feel like he is mafia aligned. One of my biggest reasons is how he blatantly attacked Faust in post #120..

Yeah I don't like this BW at all.

Why? Cause your partner is getting run up and you don't know what to do about it so you just take a weak position against it without defending Gdog outright?

What wagon would you like to see right now?

Just this seems really aggressive and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth, therefore he is most certainly one of my scum reads. Of course none of this is new information though since many of you have suspected Fish since the beginning. I want to see how many people plan to lynch him because if there are a lot of players who also appear suspicious than my stance may change. But for now... This is how I view it. I'll more thoroughly browse his posts shortly.

[Chibiie]

We win by lynching scum. No-lynching has a 0% success of advancing our win condition; scum will still get to advance their win condition via the NK. Even mislynches can provide some benefit to the Town in terms of the information they provides.

Well then build a wagoooooooon!
Also, I would like everyone to post reads, thanks.

In this current state of the game, we can just keep going back and forth on irrelevant questions... The game is being stalled and it's getting on me nerves already.

Just. Build. A. Wagon!

Radja
ETL
faüstiv

TheGil

dedSun
Yoda
Geyde
Far

ren
Formerfish

[TheGildedSun]

I never got a great look at Farren and Chibiie so I'll sift through their posts soon as well before I can settle my thoughts. I don't want to let what anyone else has said impact my views on anyone, that's my goal.

[TheGildedSun]

We win by lynching scum. No-lynching has a 0% success of advancing our win condition; scum will still get to advance their win condition via the NK. Even mislynches can provide some benefit to the Town in terms of the information they provides.

Well then build a wagoooooooon!
Also, I would like everyone to post reads, thanks.

In this current state of the game, we can just keep going back and forth on irrelevant questions... The game is being stalled and it's getting on me nerves already.

Just. Build. A. Wagon!

Radja
ETL
faüstiv

TheGil

dedSun
Yoda
Geyde
Far

ren
Formerfish

This matches my views very much aside from Geyde. Chibiie I do think is town, I'm feeling a strong leader vibe from them but in a good way, they're trying to get everyone to talk and I like that.

[Chibiie]

Yoda will take his revenge for last game by NK'ing me.
Trust me, I'm a prophet.

[Farren]

faüstiv:

Town

Faust has felt very passive but to be honest I quite like it

and therefore I consider them to be my strongest town read.

EspeciallyTheLies: Town
Besides generally agreeing with their views

they've made a lot of passive posts white also pushing people to open up a bit which is something I very much value

. They also are a very fair open minded player, similar to Faust, for reasons I explained above.

(underlining added)

Why do you associate passivity with Town?

[TheGildedSun]

faüstiv:

Town

Faust has felt very passive but to be honest I quite like it

and therefore I consider them to be my strongest town read.

EspeciallyTheLies: Town
Besides generally agreeing with their views

they've made a lot of passive posts white also pushing people to open up a bit which is something I very much value

. They also are a very fair open minded player, similar to Faust, for reasons I explained above.

(underlining added)

Why do you associate passivity with Town?

Let me first make something clear: Passive

does not mean

silent.

Both of these players have been very active with expressing their views but not by automatically attacking someone or constantly claiming a singular person is mafia. As I mentioned with Fish his aggressive nature, specifically against Faust left a bad taste in my mouth. The types of people who appear desperate to convince everyone else that a certain person is mafia always stick out like a sore thumb. These two people that I have mentioned, Faust and ETL, are both open minded, listen to the other players, but don't automatically jump onto a wagon without reasoning. (Which is often associated with scum behavior, as it can be an easy way to get a townsperson killed in the day.)