Mainstream Mafia II: D&D Edition [FIN]

[chkflip]

election count 1.3

No Governor -

Bingle, xofelf, Cephrir, davesaz, Gamma Emerald

Menalque -

EspressoPatronum, Menalque, Dr Easy Bake

Hectic -

AaronFrost, Elements

Untrod Tripod -

Untrod Tripod

With 40 Alive, it takes 21 to elect a Governor.
You have (expired on 2019-11-16 22:00:00) left in this phase.

[Rautherdir]

Okay then...
The governor shot has an advantage that Bingle didn't bring up earlier.
It gives reads. The whole process of voting for the governor shot, and then later how the person with the shot uses it, generates reads. And I believe that offsets the mechanical disadvantages of the shot.

Having said that, at this stage in the game there's only one role that could effectively use governor in this situation that can get away with claiming right now. And that would still be heavily ill-advised due to the presence of a cult. So if we do give someone the governor shot, we probably won't be doing it for mechanical reasons. And since we haven't had enough time to form good reads yet, the next strategy we could use to give the shot is to give it to someone who can be read somewhat easily to see how and if they use it in the first few days.

So I'm going to VOTE: Creature (I could be convinced into voting for DEB as well.)

[Menalque]

Also still sad that I never got an appreciation page in AvP

You were actually on my top of mind for this next appreciation page for what happened in AvP my dear

if you're scum again this game and you do this idk how I'm gonna go on

especially after you cheated on me with that lil slut dannflor

[Bingle]

I have good feels from Chem and Mena and bad feels from GE and Ico based on the governor shenaynaygans, btw.

itt Bingle rewards contrarianism...? Idk about Ico but those two are campaigning for someone to actually get the gov and I changed my tune to not wanting to give it to anyone when it was announced to result in a no lynch. What metric are you making these reads from?

Both of you two feel like you want towncred from doing the optimal thing, which is kinda bleh.

Mena is treating it exactly like TownMena treated fruit, which backfired spectacularly on him and got him a bunch of scumreads thus isn't likely to be a thing he'd fake as scum.

Chem is trying to draw reads from it instead of just worrying about the mechanic, which is slight feelsgood vibes.

Just because someone is doing something that is right for the town doesn't mean that they themselves are town, which is incidentally why Enigma's townread of me was p gross. Also, *reasons*. If we were voting to lynch right now I'd be voting Enigma 200% of the time.

[Menalque]

I have good feels from Chem and Mena and bad feels from GE and Ico based on the governor shenaynaygans, btw.

you should vote for me then!

[Bingle]

Okay then...
The governor shot has an advantage that Bingle didn't bring up earlier.
It gives reads. The whole process of voting for the governor shot, and then later how the person with the shot uses it, generates reads. And I believe that offsets the mechanical disadvantages of the shot.

Having said that, at this stage in the game there's only one role that could effectively use governor in this situation that can get away with claiming right now. And that would still be heavily ill-advised due to the presence of a cult. So if we do give someone the governor shot, we probably won't be doing it for mechanical reasons. And since we haven't had enough time to form good reads yet, the next strategy we could use to give the shot is to give it to someone who can be read somewhat easily to see how and if they use it in the first few days.

So I'm going to VOTE: Creature (I could be convinced into voting for DEB as well.)

Wow, this leapfrogged into "Easily the worst reaction to governor vote" immediately!

[Menalque]

rautherdir: we should give governor to someone who can be read easily!
also rautherdir: let's give it to creature or DEB

[Bingle]

I have good feels from Chem and Mena and bad feels from GE and Ico based on the governor shenaynaygans, btw.

you should vote for me then!

But I don't want you dead. And if we give you the governor shot, then you have to die.

[Menalque]

I have good feels from Chem and Mena and bad feels from GE and Ico based on the governor shenaynaygans, btw.

itt Bingle rewards contrarianism...? Idk about Ico but those two are campaigning for someone to actually get the gov and I changed my tune to not wanting to give it to anyone when it was announced to result in a no lynch. What metric are you making these reads from?

Both of you two feel like you want towncred from doing the optimal thing, which is kinda bleh.

Mena is treating it exactly like TownMena treated fruit, which backfired spectacularly on him and got him a bunch of scumreads thus isn't likely to be a thing he'd fake as scum.

Chem is trying to draw reads from it instead of just worrying about the mechanic, which is slight feelsgood vibes.

Just because someone is doing something that is right for the town doesn't mean that they themselves are town, which is incidentally why Enigma's townread of me was p gross. Also, *reasons*. If we were voting to lynch right now I'd be voting Enigma 200% of the time.

or would I? given that I have recently

e x p a n d e d

my scum range

[Menalque]

I have good feels from Chem and Mena and bad feels from GE and Ico based on the governor shenaynaygans, btw.

you should vote for me then!

But I don't want you dead. And if we give you the governor shot, then you have to die.

ur really gonna go through the process of lynching me twice just cause I have a governor?

[Rautherdir]

rautherdir: we should give governor to someone who can be read easily!
also rautherdir: let's give it to creature or DEB

Both of whom can be read somewhat easily?
Or is Creature no longer easily readable since I last played with them?

[Menalque]

let us all remember the parable of the warmpupper who was wrongly maligned for having a governor shot

also I won't use it to leash the lynchpool, u have my word

[Menalque]

rautherdir: we should give governor to someone who can be read easily!
also rautherdir: let's give it to creature or DEB

Both of whom can be read somewhat easily?
Or is Creature no longer easily readable since I last played with them?

he is not, and I personally think deb is incredibly hard to read but maybe you have more luck on that than me

I, on the other hand, am an incredibly easy read!

[Rautherdir]

I mean, DEB seemed pretty easy to read in my last game. (Then again, he got confed day 2 so... my perception might be inaccurate)
And it has been a while since I played with Creature, so if they're no longer an easy read I guess I'll just UNVOTE: and see what other people think of my strat.

[Cephrir]

After digging through the files in the back room of a crumbling library, my sleuthing has brought me to the conclusion that this "Menalque" character most likely lacks a hidden agenda. He might even be a lead, and the only one I have so far at that.

[Bingle]

I have good feels from Chem and Mena and bad feels from GE and Ico based on the governor shenaynaygans, btw.

you should vote for me then!

But I don't want you dead. And if we give you the governor shot, then you have to die.

ur really gonna go through the process of lynching me twice just cause I have a governor?

Yes.

Or at least waste the first lynch on getting rid of the governor shot.

If you publicly have a governor shot, there's no reason for a cult not to recruit you. You can prevent a lynch, giving an additional night of recruitment. There are specific roles that could be positive equity with a governor shot, but they're unlikely imo and most of them lose that equity via claiming (like unrecruitable townie). Compare: Scum governor is disproportionately better for scum than town governor is for town. Cult governor is disproportionately better for cult than Scum governor is for scum. The chance at a very small advantage (that I don't think is really an advantage in the first place) is not worth the chance at LOSING A DAYPHASE.

And the best case scenario of giving the governor shot to someone who obvtowns? Yeah, well that's putting more of a target on their back for recruitment, not less.

[Menalque]

After digging through the files in the back room of a crumbling library, my sleuthing has brought me to the conclusion that this "Menalque" character most likely lacks a hidden agenda. He might even be a lead, and the only one I have so far at that.

the only agenda I have is the very open one of winning votes from this fair town and then roleplaying as the mayor for the rest of the game!

[Iconeum]

VOTE: no lynch

[Iconeum]

haven't read since page 5

ish

i might tomorrow

[Gamma Emerald]

I have good feels from Chem and Mena and bad feels from GE and Ico based on the governor shenaynaygans, btw.

itt Bingle rewards contrarianism...? Idk about Ico but those two are campaigning for someone to actually get the gov and I changed my tune to not wanting to give it to anyone when it was announced to result in a no lynch. What metric are you making these reads from?

Both of you two feel like you want towncred from doing the optimal thing, which is kinda bleh.

Mena is treating it exactly like TownMena treated fruit, which backfired spectacularly on him and got him a bunch of scumreads thus isn't likely to be a thing he'd fake as scum.

Chem is trying to draw reads from it instead of just worrying about the mechanic, which is slight feelsgood vibes.

Just because someone is doing something that is right for the town doesn't mean that they themselves are town, which is incidentally why Enigma's townread of me was p gross. Also, *reasons*. If we were voting to lynch right now I'd be voting Enigma 200% of the time.

Well I’d just seen the exact same thing in AvP so I had preconceptions. But if there is a role that can make it helpful I’m interested to hear more.

[Iconeum]

extra no lynch = extra cult recruit option

the role is strictly anti-town

[Gamma Emerald]

rautherdir: we should give governor to someone who can be read easily!
also rautherdir: let's give it to creature or DEB

Creature can be an easy read, but not as much nowadays
Idk about DEB

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean, DEB seemed pretty easy to read in my last game. (Then again, he got confed day 2 so... my perception might be inaccurate)
And it has been a while since I played with Creature, so if they're no longer an easy read I guess I'll just UNVOTE: and see what other people think of my strat.

Did we ever find out if FTC was actually a Creature alt?

[Menalque]

I mean, DEB seemed pretty easy to read in my last game. (Then again, he got confed day 2 so... my perception might be inaccurate)
And it has been a while since I played with Creature, so if they're no longer an easy read I guess I'll just UNVOTE: and see what other people think of my strat.

that doesn't seem very cash money of you bingle boi

I mean I don't deny that you're right

mechanically

but I do deny that you're right

fun-ly

it's also total WIFOM as to whether the cult would recruit me, no?

also the chance is much larger than a small advantage bc I would use my FIRE READS to save town from a mislynch, so. there's that.

[Gamma Emerald]

After digging through the files in the back room of a crumbling library, my sleuthing has brought me to the conclusion that this "Menalque" character most likely lacks a hidden agenda. He might even be a lead, and the only one I have so far at that.

the only agenda I have is the very open one of winning votes from this fair town and then roleplaying as the mayor for the rest of the game!

(I kinda want you to do this if you get it)
(In fact if anyone gets it I want them to do this)