Micro 900: Autumnal Mafia (Game Complete)

[Wimpy]

I think I am just upset because he has made comments that personally insulted me and he keeps twisting my words. This is also why i am suspicious of him. I have calmly explained where he interpreted things incorrectly and instead of accepting it, he doubled down and has said I am scum for it.

[Datisi]

I mean at this point he and i are arguing over semantics. He somehow things because of my poor word choices, I have somehow outed myself as scum.

The reality is he has no real reason to scum read me and is probably scum

trying to dominate the game by arguing.

what I need to do is just ignore him if I can. I have asked him to dial it down, if he refuses I will decide what to do about it.

like
sentences like these
like i'm still trying to determine if this could be just a massive playstyle clash
but sentences like these really rub me the wrong way
like the tonalty is so

off

[Wimpy]

Yes, it does matter. I would appreciate if you could answer this question. At the very least, it would be nice to know the nature of the 200+ games that you’ve played. For instance, there’s a major difference between playing 200+ games on a real-time site like epicmafia vs playing forum games like here.

I disagree

[Wimpy]

like
sentences like these
like i'm still trying to determine if this could be just a massive playstyle clash
but sentences like these really rub me the wrong way
like the tonalty is so off

do you know why he scum reads me?

[Datisi]

Yes, it does matter. I would appreciate if you could answer this question. At the very least, it would be nice to know the nature of the 200+ games that you’ve played. For instance, there’s a major difference between playing 200+ games on a real-time site like epicmafia vs playing forum games like here.

I disagree

why are you making this so difficult? Just say where you've played?

like
sentences like these
like i'm still trying to determine if this could be just a massive playstyle clash
but sentences like these really rub me the wrong way
like the tonalty is so off

do you know why he scum reads me?

Why do you ask? What does that have to do with it?

[Datisi]

Yes, it does matter. I would appreciate if you could answer this question. At the very least, it would be nice to know the nature of the 200+ games that you’ve played. For instance, there’s a major difference between playing 200+ games on a real-time site like epicmafia vs playing forum games like here.

I disagree

just
I'm trying to wrap my head around this
and
How do games that last 15 minutes and are multiball role madness (like ToS) and games that last for months and are close to mountanious (FM) have no major differences?

[Wimpy]

Why do you ask? What does that have to do with it?

You’re a player in the game. Do you know why another player actually scum reads me?

I ask because he’s made a lot of noise and made a big deal about my reasons earlier being illogical, but does anyone actually know why?

He didn’t like my nonchalant entrance.
He dislike the fact that I clarified I wasn’t certain of my scum read of you
He thinks two factual statements by me can’t both be true so I’m somehow lying about one of them.

Other than that I have no idea why he scum reads me and none of those are good reasons at this point.

[Datisi]

I mean I agree with a lot
I think your tone is completely off, including your entrance
I think your reasons for voting are very illogical - especially for someone who claims to have read games here

tbh I'm kinda tired of the whole scum vs scummy debate and will look over that later

[Menalque]

I mean at this point he and i are arguing over semantics. He somehow things because of my poor word choices, I have somehow outed myself as scum.

The reality is he has no real reason to scum read me and is probably scum

trying to dominate the game by arguing.

what I need to do is just ignore him if I can. I have asked him to dial it down, if he refuses I will decide what to do about it.

like
sentences like these
like i'm still trying to determine if this could be just a massive playstyle clash
but sentences like these really rub me the wrong way
like the tonalty is so

off

The tonality is off because wimpy has gotten quieter and more trying to placate people as he’s come under pressure and realised I’m not viably a mislynch here

As opposed to town who if they started off abrasive and thought scum was pushing a bullshit case would get pissed off

[Wimpy]

ok I disagree with both you and him but at this point nothing else I can do about it

[Datisi]

And like
it's not like it's just Mena BuLlYiNg you, other people are asking about your past experience as well
it's something that helps with a read on you

why are you so adamant in ignorig us about it?

[Menalque]

There’s also some perspective slipping where despite his claimed SR on me he’s talking like he knows I’m town

[Menalque]

(1) I’ve already shown that you claimed earlier that you considered datisi scum at the time of this vote. You said the vote was serious. When asked why you thought datisi was scum, you gave the reasons for why the vote was serious. So you were lying then, or you’re lying now.

1. At the time of my vote I never said I considered Datisi was scum so this is not true

2. Page 67 is when I first mention that i think datisi is probably scum. I admit that was poor choice of wording. Probably was a higher level of certainty than I actually had at the time so I apologize for that. I meant possibly which is less certain.

3. Post 71, again i say he is probably scum. again sorry for the poor choice of words. I still meant possibly

4. post 72 - This is where I answer your question. This again is my mistake. I wrongfully assumed you meant "why do you think datisi is probably scum". Had I known you were asking my why I thought he was definitely scum, I would have corrected myself. So again I apologize, I had no idea you were implying complete certainty. I should have asked clarifying questions.


so I guess in summary. When I am trying to say is at the time of my vote on Datisi, it was serious but I did not seriously think she was scum. I thought she was scummy. Based on my 200+ mafia game experience it has always been acceptable to vote people you think are scummy even if you aren't sure they are scum. I had no idea this was not acceptable on mafiascum.

Oh wait, I have read games on mafiascum and even played games on mafiascum so I know it is actually acceptable to vote somebody who is scummy but don't believe 100% they are scum so I guess my answer to your question is

I was not lying then and I am not lying now. Both are actually possible to do in a game of mafia.

This is the one

[Datisi]

Mena, there's been so much shit thrown in this thread
can you like give me a tl;dr or link me to 2-3 most important points about the whole scumVscummy bullshit

and also bold me the perspective slips tyty

[Menalque]

Wicked just FYI I’m expecting more posting from you this game even if it’s just like passing thoughts, bc I know you were often active in the scum pt in C9++ even when u weren’t posting in game

[Menalque]

(1) I’ve already shown that you claimed earlier that you considered datisi scum at the time of this vote. You said the vote was serious. When asked why you thought datisi was scum, you gave the reasons for why the vote was serious. So you were lying then, or you’re lying now.

1. At the time of my vote I never said I considered Datisi was scum so this is not true

2. Page 67 is when I first mention that i think datisi is probably

scum. I admit that was poor choice of wording. Probably was a higher level of certainty than I actually had at the time so I apologize for that. I meant possibly which is less certain.

3. Post 71, again i say he is probably scum.

again sorry for the poor choice of words.

I still meant possibly

4. post 72 - This is where I answer your question.

This again is my mistake. I wrongfully assumed you meant "why do you think datisi is probably scum". Had I known you were asking my why I thought he was definitely scum, I would have corrected myself. So again I apologize, I had no idea you were implying complete certainty. I should have asked clarifying questions.

so I guess in summary. When I am trying to say is at the time of my vote on Datisi, it was serious but I did not seriously think she was scum. I thought she was scummy. Based on my 200+ mafia game experience it has always been acceptable to vote people you think are scummy even if you aren't sure they are scum. I had no idea this was not acceptable on mafiascum.

Oh wait, I have read games on mafiascum and even played games on mafiascum so I know it is actually acceptable to vote somebody who is scummy but don't believe 100% they are scum so I guess my answer to your question is

I was not lying then and I am not lying now. Both are actually possible to do in a game of mafia.

This is the one

Bolded what I think are the perspective slips

[Wimpy]

The tonality is off because wimpy has gotten quieter and more trying to placate people as he’s come under pressure and realised I’m not viably a mislynch here

As opposed to town who if they started off abrasive and thought scum was pushing a bullshit case would get pissed off

I haven't gotten quieter actually but it is time to stop arguing with each other.

I am pissed off, i wouldn't be arguing with you this entire time if I wasn't. I just don't think us arguing is actually accomplishing anything except making this game toxic so I am going to try and stop. It isn't worth it

[Menalque]

Maybe y'all should stick to salads

VOTE: Datisi

It was a serious vote

“Guys. It was a page 2 vote. There’s not enough evidence to suggest anyone was actually scum.”

So which time were you telling the truth?

Both.

Have you played mafia before?

Because voting somebody seriously for something I think is scummy

doesn’t mean I legit think he’s scum. I never declared I thought he is definitely scum.

Based on what has transpired though, you look more like scum than he does. I still find him scummy also. Imagine that. I can find people scummy and still don’t know if they are scum.

Clearly I must be scum. How can town think somebody is scummy but not think they are actually scum...

And cause with you I actually think it needs to be said. that last line was sarcasm.

Basically, “I didn’t think

he was scum”. “I never declared I thought

he is definitely scum is just pedantry.

Why do u think datisi is scum?

I’ve explained my thoughts. Why are you asking a redundant question?

My question: why do you think she’s scum? His answer: I’ve explained why [i think she’s scum].

If he wasn’t saying she was scum, why not correct me here. The implied in his answer is that he does think Datisi is scum.

Why do u think datisi is scum?

I’ve explained my thoughts. Why are you asking a redundant question?

I mean u hadn’t at the time I asked

Posts 53 and 65 explain what I was thinking so that’s not true at all.

Points back to 53 and 64 as his reasons for why he thinks datisi is scum

Interesting

Why was it serious?

Cause I dislike when people come in and reference past games and vote them for it. It violates site rules and is scummy.

I bet he doesn’t have anything close to a legit reason for voting me outside of perceived omgus that is.

Again, claimed serious vote. When asked about it later, answers in a way that implies that he believes datisi is really scum.

The more datsi posts the better I feel about my vote. It’s like he doesn’t like the attention and he doesn’t know how to handle it.

Other post for reference.

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So you’re p clearly lying

Wimpy: “so just cause I voted datisi seriously doesn’t mean I thought she was scum”

Mena, much earlier: “so why is your vote serious?”

Wimpy: “*makes post 53*”

Mena, later on: “so why is datisi scum?”

Wimpy: “I ALREADY SAID JEEZ”

Mena: “where?”

Wimpy: “POST 53 JEEZ”

Mena: “so your vote on datisi was serious and made for reasons of you believing she was scum which is now a position that you’re claiming you never held?”

Wimpy: “NO UR A LIAR”

This, while memey, has the main points in it boiled down, and my post that I’m quoting cites the individual posts

@dats

[Datisi]

And like
it's not like it's just Mena BuLlYiNg you, other people are asking about your past experience as well
it's something that helps with a read on you

why are you so adamant in ignoring us about it?

[Menalque]

Hey, do y’all realise that if we power lynch wimpy here then we may break a record by lynching scum before >20% of the PL had posted?

[Wimpy]

And like
it's not like it's just Mena BuLlYiNg you, other people are asking about your past experience as well
it's something that helps with a read on you

why are you so adamant in ignorig us about it?

I don't really feel like sharing all the places I have played and since where I have played has no bearing on this game. I am not sure why it keeps being brought up. I don't see anyone else being asked where else they have played.

I have played games on MS before. judge me based on that if you want to. It's irrelevant to my alignment or my personal playstyle.

[Wimpy]

There’s also some perspective slipping where despite his claimed SR on me he’s talking like he knows I’m town

this isn't a real thing btw. people do this all the time.

[Menalque]

Inb4 wimpy is cyrus

[Menalque]

That would explain a lot honestly

[Wimpy]

Bolded what I think are the perspective slips

I thought you were able to detect tone in mafia games? how did you miss the obvious sarcasm?