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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:04 am
by Datisi
Official Vote Count 1.07With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Lynching
Menalque
(2): Elmo TeH AzN, 72offsuit
Iconeum
(2): Doobietime, Lotus Aura

Not Voting
(5): clidd, WizenedWalrus, Menalque, Atarashi Hajimari, Iconeum

Deadline:
(expired on 2020-03-15 01:30:00).

Mod notes:
  • Menalque replaces GuiltyLion.
  • WizenedWalrus replaces stormey815, awaiting confirmation.
  • Iconeum standing V/LA weekends.

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:05 am
by Iconeum
WHAT NO NOT AGAIN

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:06 am
by Menalque
In post 272, Iconeum wrote:you think newbies are gonna see what you are doing and play along?

no

you would destroy a newbie power role player for no reason other then shenanigans
This is quite a fair point, that I hadn’t totally considered

But I also think that a newbie might have the forebearance to think “why is this player claiming this?” And to realise that masons is literally the worst claim to make as scum because it means you have to get to 5p lylo with your partner, without hitting a PR at night, and without anyone believing a real PR over you

So I would expect them to probe the claim, maybe be sceptical, but not necessarily immediately out as a CC

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:08 am
by Menalque
In post 273, Iconeum wrote:i really don't know what you were trying to achieve menal

if any of the new players were a power role, they wouldn't know what to do

they'd have to either fish something like 'ehm guys should the actual pr counterclaim if there is one hahahah gettit hmm?'
or full blown counterclaim you resulting in this situation as well

there's not a lot of worlds where you achieve anything good from this
In post 274, Iconeum wrote:if ur actually town then this was out of place and lessons are hopefully learned

and ofcourse there's just a world where this is scum!you going for a big brain play
I think we disagree on how to approach a newbie

I’m here to have fun

People will fakeclaim in non-newbies, sometimes to the advantage of town, sometimes to its detriment

Newbies are here to learn, and the truth is that people do not play “by the book” very much at all. And doing so is a really easy way to get duped by scum who play “by the book”

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:08 am
by Menalque
There is literally no worse claim that scum!mena could make than masons

T/F?

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:11 am
by clidd
Hum. Im thinking.

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:12 am
by Elmo TeH AzN
This game is making my head hurt just from the last few pages

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:13 am
by clidd
Yes, absolutely.

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:14 am
by Iconeum
In post 278, Menalque wrote:Newbies are here to learn, and the truth is that people do not play “by the book” very much at all. And doing so is a really easy way to get duped by scum who play “by the book”
i've got a perfect lesson for them right here

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:20 am
by Menalque
In post 283, Iconeum wrote:
In post 278, Menalque wrote:Newbies are here to learn, and the truth is that people do not play “by the book” very much at all. And doing so is a really easy way to get duped by scum who play “by the book”
i've got a perfect lesson for them right here
What are you even saying

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:22 am
by Menalque
Pretty sure that about 80% of the last few pages is just icon feeling like he needs to show the world he’s got a bigger one than me instead of actually taking a step back and looking at my play in which case he’d know that I’m incredibly obvtown rn and we could get on to working together to solve the game

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:29 am
by Iconeum
In post 285, Menalque wrote:Pretty sure that about 80% of the last few pages is just icon feeling like he needs to show the world he’s got a bigger one than me instead of actually taking a step back and looking at my play in which case he’d know that I’m incredibly obvtown rn and we could get on to working together to solve the game
i don't have much of an ego tho, especially on-site

and like i said, i think i was trying to solve the game prior to when you drew up all the attention with that fake claim

but now it's my fault and i have to take a step back? after i gave you the chance to back down from shenanigan play?

no

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:36 am
by Menalque
It’s your fault if you
continue
to not let it go despite it having become obvious what my alignment is and that that play wouldn’t come from scum

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:37 am
by Menalque
However much you may think it was a bad play

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:44 am
by Iconeum
we'll see how everyone feels about this situation

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 3:08 am
by clidd
I believe it is unlikely that
Menalque
is
scum
based on the time between those first three posts and the claim. Having
Guilty Lion
as
scum
, in theory, should suggest that there was content to read at
scum PT
, so
Menalque
would need more time to convince his partner to agree with such a suicide plan like this.

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 3:10 am
by clidd
The way it was executed, without delay, indicates that the
mason
situation immediately came to his mind in some way. Perhaps our game in common, perhaps some additional information - something that a
VT
would not have, or just a safe guess to not characterize a
CC
of the cop or doctor, if any.

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 3:17 am
by clidd
I have difficulties to discriminate such event as a coefficient that justifies the scenario
scum!Mena
, because it implies that he would abandon the progression of his predecessor and would impose his own pace of play.

Theoretically, this movement would be more appropriate with the self-confident profile I expect from him, unless, of course, he is trying to perform something that I have not yet seen from him. But that would not explain the effort applied because it is a newbie game, where he would have other safer and more coherent means of winning as a
scum
.

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:02 am
by Doobietime
Wow, so the thread has doubled in size since I went to sleep... There's so many points of view to look at this from I'm going to need a long minute.

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:12 am
by WizenedWalrus
Hi all,

I've skimmed through the thread, and to be honest I feel pretty lost. I've played a few online mafia/werewolf games at another site, but this is my first game here, and the terminology and abbreviations everyone is using here are foreign to me, so I'll take a while to adjust I imagine.

Looking at the setup notes, it doesn't look like it's possible to have masons and another flavor of power townie in the game at the same time, or am I misunderstanding the table?

Off to a meeting, but will get back to re-reading over lunch.

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:34 am
by Elmo TeH AzN
In post 294, WizenedWalrus wrote:terminology and abbreviations everyone is using here are foreign to me
What terms?

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:52 am
by WizenedWalrus
In post 295, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:
In post 294, WizenedWalrus wrote:terminology and abbreviations everyone is using here are foreign to me
What terms?
terms like: SSS, PoE, etc. and also how to read stuff like (term)!(term) -- I kinda guess based on the color coding, but not really sure how you're supposed to parse that. I think there were a few more things in the rules as I was skimming through them, but can't remember off the top of my head.

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:57 am
by Elmo TeH AzN
PoE: Process of Elimination
(term)!(term) is mostly meta related on how people are looking compared from one game to another.
SSS I am not sure about.

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:38 am
by Doobietime
So... Much... Cross-referencing.

I think I'm getting a wrinkle from frowning at my screen every time I pick up my phone and try to sort this out in my head :neutral:

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:13 am
by Atarashi Hajimari
In post 261, Menalque wrote:(1) I had the idea from pure boi doing it with me in a game that just finished — clidd can confirm
Still catching up but I can also confirm this