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Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 4:35 am
by gibus
In post 265, gibus wrote:If it doesn't make them more accurate (if said people aren't masons at all), the mafia would waste night kills (on VTs)

Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 4:35 am
by votato
and i still think copykat is scum

Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 4:36 am
by CopyKat
In post 276, votato wrote:and i still think copykat is scum
oh do tell me more

Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 4:38 am
by feathers
Okay wait before anyone else votes I just want to point out Gibus is one vote away from being lynched. Rn Lilith, Brass, Copykat, and me are voting him. I still suspect him but I don't want a townsperson to get rush lynched without people talking it out first, this is kinda exactly what I was worried about with the 10 day Day 1 limit.

Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 4:40 am
by gibus
Copykat, I think #275 clarifies it for you?

Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 4:41 am
by brassherald
In post 278, feathers wrote:Okay wait before anyone else votes I just want to point out Gibus is one vote away from being lynched. Rn Lilith, Brass, Copykat, and me are voting him. I still suspect him but I don't want a townsperson to get rush lynched without people talking it out first, this is kinda exactly what I was worried about with the 10 day Day 1 limit.
Declare intent to hammer before you lynch someone. ALWAYS.

Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 4:41 am
by CopyKat
In post 279, gibus wrote:Copykat, I think #275 clarifies it for you?
no it doesn't. can you restate your point without playing the pronoun game.

Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 4:42 am
by gibus
In post 264, gibus wrote:Why is it bad for town to out masons? It can help in elimination so early lynches can be more accurate.
If it doesn't make them more accurate (if said people aren't masons at all), the mafia would waste night kills (on VTs), which would be better for town.

Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 4:43 am
by brassherald
In post 257, CopyKat wrote:tinfoil hat theory: formerfish/ironcat scum pair. their back and forth so far is just theater.
I don't like this turnaround to the vote, actually, though.

UNVOTE:

Gibus could be noob, but, I don't know I like being on this wagon if Copykat looks so... mercenary may be the right word?

Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 4:43 am
by feathers
What does hammer mean? To vote someone, or to make the last vote, or something?

And yeah Brass I already voted on Gibus a while back, and I talked about my intent why then.

Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 4:44 am
by feathers
Wdym by mercenary?

Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 4:44 am
by CopyKat
If
it
doesn't make
them
more accurate (if said people aren't masons at all), the mafia would waste night kills (on VTs), which would be better for town.
What is "it"? What are "them"?

Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 4:46 am
by CopyKat
In post 283, brassherald wrote:Gibus could be noob, but, I don't know I like being on this wagon if Copykat looks so... mercenary may be the right word?
You don't think they scum slipped in +?

Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 4:46 am
by gibus
If -the guess that said people are masons- doesn't make -elimination- more accurate

Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 4:47 am
by brassherald
In post 284, feathers wrote:What does hammer mean? To vote someone, or to make the last vote, or something?

And yeah Brass I already voted on Gibus a while back, and I talked about my intent why then.
Intent to hammer is basically, when someone is a vote away from being lynched, you state that you intend to put up the final vote and end the day.

Since I'm supposed to be an SE and help teach people the game, my comment was just to not vote but state intent since Gibus was L-1.

He no longer is, but anyone on day 1 that quickhammers (i.e. doesn't state intent first) should be viewed with heavy suspicion.

Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 4:47 am
by brassherald
In post 287, CopyKat wrote:
In post 283, brassherald wrote:Gibus could be noob, but, I don't know I like being on this wagon if Copykat looks so... mercenary may be the right word?
You don't think they scum slipped in +?
Scum slips are very rare, I don't see how these posts are scum slips.

Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 4:50 am
by brassherald
In post 285, feathers wrote:Wdym by mercenary?
I mean, he seems to be jumping from a full scum team guess to a full move off the same guess too quickly for my liking.

Almost like it doesn't matter who is lynched outside of two people with that speed.

Need more information before the EOD (End of Day) for sure, too.

Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 4:50 am
by votato
In post 237, feathers wrote:I think Votato is a townsperson as well since pretty early on. They've (what pronoun do you use btw, votato?) been very active, giving pro-town advice (personally they really helped me know how rvs/voting should be done and to form my thought processes), not afraid to make clear stances, and I don't really feel like they're pushing any kind of agenda - they've mostly been helping clarify stances/thought processes or resolve disagreements.
btw: you can use he, she, or it for me. just please never use they.

Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 4:52 am
by feathers
brassherald wrote:
In post 284, feathers wrote:What does hammer mean? To vote someone, or to make the last vote, or something?

And yeah Brass I already voted on Gibus a while back, and I talked about my intent why then.
Intent to hammer is basically, when someone is a vote away from being lynched, you state that you intend to put up the final vote and end the day.

Since I'm supposed to be an SE and help teach people the game, my comment was just to not vote but state intent since Gibus was L-1.

He no longer is, but anyone on day 1 that quickhammers (i.e. doesn't state intent first) should be viewed with heavy suspicion.
Got it, thanks! And yeah, I just wasn't sure if everyone knew Gibus was one vote away since the last mod post was a while back and CopyKat didn't talk about their vote being the fourth, so I wanted to bring it up.
brassherald wrote:
In post 285, feathers wrote:Wdym by mercenary?
I mean, he seems to be jumping from a full scum team guess to a full move off the same guess too quickly for my liking.

Almost like it doesn't matter who is lynched outside of two people with that speed.

Need more information before the EOD (End of Day) for sure, too.
I see.. but isn't that also what Gibus is doing?
votato wrote:
In post 237, feathers wrote:I think Votato is a townsperson as well since pretty early on. They've (what pronoun do you use btw, votato?) been very active, giving pro-town advice (personally they really helped me know how rvs/voting should be done and to form my thought processes), not afraid to make clear stances, and I don't really feel like they're pushing any kind of agenda - they've mostly been helping clarify stances/thought processes or resolve disagreements.
btw: you can use he, she, or it for me. just please never use they.
Understood! I'll use she then if you don't mind.

Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 4:52 am
by CopyKat
In post 264, gibus wrote:Why is it bad for town to out masons? It can help in elimination so early lynches can be more accurate.
In post 265, gibus wrote:If
the guess that said people are masons
doesn't make
elimination
more accurate, the mafia would waste night kills
ok I guess this makes more sense.

But by your logic does making the "elimination" more accurate mean mafia is less likely to waste night kills?

Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 4:54 am
by votato
VOTE: copykat. i agree with brass. its mostly gut, but copykat seems pretty opportunistic hopping on the major wagon, putting it to L-1 without saying anything. I also see nothing in copykats case about scumslippng. Not a strong case against copykat, ill concede, but worth pressuring. I still dont like ironcat, but that might just be due to language barrier.

Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 4:56 am
by CopyKat
In post 291, brassherald wrote:I mean, he seems to be jumping from a full scum team guess to a full move off the same guess too quickly for my liking.
It wasn't a serious accusation and I think that's obvious
Almost like it doesn't matter who is lynched outside of two people with that speed.
I'm not following what you mean here

Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 4:57 am
by gibus
In post 294, CopyKat wrote:
In post 264, gibus wrote:Why is it bad for town to out masons? It can help in elimination so early lynches can be more accurate.
In post 265, gibus wrote:If
the guess that said people are masons
doesn't make
elimination
more accurate, the mafia would waste night kills
ok I guess this makes more sense.

But by your logic does making the "elimination" more accurate mean mafia is less likely to waste night kills?
I understand it does, but since my guess holds no significance, no one is benefitted. It isn't as anti-town as self claiming

Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 4:57 am
by CopyKat
We also hadn't had a votecount in how many pages so I didn't realize I put them at L-1 but you guys do what you gotta do

Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 4:57 am
by votato
gibus, just accept that outing town PRs is bad for town and move on. this discussion is not productive at all.