Updated readslist, decided I should list Panzer in here anyway in spite of his 3p claim to note my disbelieval of it.
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:06 am
by mastina
In post 274, Mikul wrote:To note I really don't like the idea of clemency because her meta is that she only fake claims "Mason as town". It's way to easy to claim that as scum at that point.
Sure!
It'd be easy to fakeclaim mason as scum because of a track record of fakeclaiming mason as town.
But the fact of the matter is, while I could fakeclaim mason as scum and you never know, maybe for some strange random reason of all games this one just so happens to randomly be the one where I actually do it.
The simple fact is. Provably and demonstrably, can be shown by manually sifting through all of my games.
I've never, to this date, fakeclaimed mason as scum.
I could! And every game I claim mason could be that magical mystical first game where it's actually a scum fakeclaim.
In post 251, Mikul wrote:Mastina - there was no need to claim this and if it is town it's just going to bait a night kill without any use. Trying to stay alive and have your partner claim with you in later phases helps the Poe more. There was just no reason to claim as town. Leads me to believe she is trying to get a pass and if they decide it's safe have her scum partner claim later. Either that or a possible recruit roll and target a non claimed person. Everything about this claim bothers me
Mastina claims masons 2/3 of the games they play as both alignments. Though you reasoning isnt wrong and tbh makes me townread you, it doesnt really stick for that specific case.
Can you clarify this more specifically for me
Do you mean she fake claims Mason as town as well?
Or are you saying if she's Mason as town she will outright claim it. That reads as if she will fake claim as either town or scum
In post 232, mastina wrote:Shiro, well. Shiro I used to know how to read but have forgotten. I kinda lean town right now mostly off of gut and thinking, "this seems to be the Shiro I remember as town", but I admit, my memory is probably not reliable, thus how weak of a read it is.
I mean let us be honest, I have only post twice I would be highly surprised if anyone could read me off of that xD
^is scum
If you say so
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:20 pm
by PJ.
In post 251, Mikul wrote:Panzer - I could buy the roll but not the motivation for claiming it. If he has to draw night actions and is essentially a third party until then, he would have a better chance of drawing them non claimed. No one is going to waste night actions on a claimed tp because it effectively made him a Miller. A investigation woudnt happen because the result would come back guilty and a protective roll woudnt target him because there is no way mafia is killing a tp. I think he would know this as town , so the fact that he claimed it negated most of the possibility of him transitioning to town.
I feel like this is logically wrong.
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:22 pm
by TheThirteenthJT
Not going to lie I feel a bit overwhelmed here. I've been trying to keep up but I feel lost. There's been a few claims already with abilities and roles and it's just going over my head. I guess it would be bold to do that as scum but what's the benefit of doing it as town day 1? Is this something I should be looking to do? Or is it entirely based on roles?
Where I used to play only those that wanted attention would be bold to this in order to draw actions towards them or for elimnation redirects which is why I'm wary. So far I my games on this site the Meta seems to be it's best to hide your PR.
In post 251, Mikul wrote:Panzer - I could buy the roll but not the motivation for claiming it. If he has to draw night actions and is essentially a third party until then, he would have a better chance of drawing them non claimed. No one is going to waste night actions on a claimed tp because it effectively made him a Miller. A investigation woudnt happen because the result would come back guilty and a protective roll woudnt target him because there is no way mafia is killing a tp. I think he would know this as town , so the fact that he claimed it negated most of the possibility of him transitioning to town.
I feel like this is logically wrong.
If you are claiming "not town", even for the time being there would be no purpose to confirm you are not town, no?
If you are not town, and effectively a tp, why would mafia kill you or target you with night actions and would night actions would town use you on? Mafia would want you to alive because it's an easy mislynch
Not saying that you are or are not telling the truth, but with you have have claimed this, it's basically made you a glorified miller that is praying for night actions to be used on him which would take away night actions from more useful things
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:55 pm
by Mikul
forgive the spelling, when on my phone. It's a pita to spell check shit but the point should still be there mostly
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 1:00 pm
by TrueSoulEnergy
I’m pretty busy today sorry.
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 3:20 pm
by Sujimichi
Apologies for my absence. I am normally limited access on weekends and today was busier than I expected it to be. The game did not go as fast as I thought it would, so I will fully catch up by tomorrow morning.
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 4:05 pm
by Tatsuya Kaname
I just realized I never sent the Prod LM to Sujimichi. I got the PM written up but haven't hit send LOL
I'll remove the prod counter from Sujimichi as an apology.
Apologies, given that your vote on Tuxedo Mask was not serious you do not need to answer my previous question. Could you explain why this is a serious vote?
Assuming that mastina is telling the truth, why are you trying to get her partner to claim as well?
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:59 am
by Sujimichi
In post 149, PJ. wrote:I'm catching up now but I think I've decided i need to claim because I was rolling it around on whether or not I need to.
My seiyu is Rikiya Koyama. The role is Tora from Ushio and Tora. I am neutral alignment with no win condition due to being trapped by a holy spear until I have to drawn 3 night actions on separate nights. After that I am freed from the spear I become Town w/ what I'm only willing to describe as strong powers. I'd appreciate your cooperation.
What do you mean by "drawn 3 night actions on separate nights?" Does this mean you have to be targetted by a night action each night?
In post 150, Mikul wrote:Still just waiting on the mason counterpart to claim. If they claim it confirms them and gets the paranoia away. If not I want to lynch them
Best case we catch a Gambit
Worst case we lynch 1/2 of a mason team which town confirms the other when he does out later in the game
This isn't necessarily true masons w/ diff alignments is a thing
Is this allowed outside of games advertised as bastard?
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:10 am
by Sujimichi
In post 241, PJ. wrote:Oh i hadn't read yet because I couldn't get through bm sucking his own dick or w/e on page 2. You fakeclaiming mason again, having a bad reads list, and having an extremely strange role paraphrase makes my life pretty ez tbh.
VOTE: mastina
What do you find bad about her readlist?
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:18 am
by Sujimichi
In post 279, TheThirteenthJT wrote:Not going to lie I feel a bit overwhelmed here. I've been trying to keep up but I feel lost. There's been a few claims already with abilities and roles and it's just going over my head. I guess it would be bold to do that as scum but what's the benefit of doing it as town day 1? Is this something I should be looking to do? Or is it entirely based on roles?
Where I used to play only those that wanted attention would be bold to this in order to draw actions towards them or for elimnation redirects which is why I'm wary. So far I my games on this site the Meta seems to be it's best to hide your PR.
Oh boy this will be a tough one for me.
Have you read through all of the game? If so, do you have any thoughts on any players, specifically the two largest wagons?
In post 150, Mikul wrote:Still just waiting on the mason counterpart to claim. If they claim it confirms them and gets the paranoia away. If not I want to lynch them
Best case we catch a Gambit
Worst case we lynch 1/2 of a mason team which town confirms the other when he does out later in the game
This isn't necessarily true masons w/ diff alignments is a thing
Is this allowed outside of games advertised as bastard?
I'm not sure about how it is classified currently but I *believe* masons of different alignments is not a bastard mechanic.
In post 241, PJ. wrote:Oh i hadn't read yet because I couldn't get through bm sucking his own dick or w/e on page 2. You fakeclaiming mason again, having a bad reads list, and having an extremely strange role paraphrase makes my life pretty ez tbh.
VOTE: mastina
What do you find bad about her readlist?
W/o getting too in the weeds, 2 of her top 3 reads when I posted were for saying hello. One of which had literally only one post, saying hello.
In post 149, PJ. wrote:I'm catching up now but I think I've decided i need to claim because I was rolling it around on whether or not I need to.
My seiyu is Rikiya Koyama. The role is Tora from Ushio and Tora. I am neutral alignment with no win condition due to being trapped by a holy spear until I have to drawn 3 night actions on separate nights. After that I am freed from the spear I become Town w/ what I'm only willing to describe as strong powers. I'd appreciate your cooperation.
What do you mean by "drawn 3 night actions on separate nights?" Does this mean you have to be targetted by a night action each night?
