Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:14 pm
whoa i'm way behind. will try to catch up tonight or tomorrow
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Then I'd very much like an explanation for that oneIn post 257, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:It's not an RVS vote btwIn post 182, nomnomnom wrote:my thoughts so far:
getting town vibes from nero, reminds me of the few games I played with him where he was town, nothing out of the ordinary, feeling pretty confident about this one
the mech talk at beginning of thread makes reads messy for me so I ain't touching those, not even with gloves
I don't like these pushes on dwlee and peta, not because of the way it's started, it's just that these pushes on "loud guys" day 1 often don't end well in my experience
I wanna focus on the guys that give me "cruising by" vibes cuz even if one of dwlee/peta is scum it just means other scums are just cruising by, i wanna make this more out of this day 1 than "push confrontational loudmouth"
Out of everything I read I feel rathe's progression is the one that sticks out the most, cruising by posts, non confrontational tone when called scum + joining on popular bandwagon gives me the vibe of scum trying not to gather attention, another worrying fact is people calling the slot scum but not pushing it, I wanna force the issue on this one
VOTE: Rathe
Kyouko's 104 also struck me as bad when there's a bunch of shit happening and going with a rvs-like vote
That's where I'm at right now more or less
now push with me or ur scum kthxbye
In post 138, T3 wrote:idk why but Rathe feels different to the two towngames I played with him but that could be a function of me being scum iiin both games.
What changed your mind on rathe?In post 254, T3 wrote:Good, veefp is town. Rathe also is town I think, but less sure on this.
What reasons in particular?In post 270, T3 wrote:VOTE: kyo
Can't say why because of ongoing games but that plus the reasons said above.
In post 175, ItalianoVD wrote:im sheeping this game n i think dgb is probably townIn post 161, Nero Cain wrote:why exactly are you voting DW? you just sorted plopped down a vote on a growing bandwagon.In post 158, Rathe wrote:do u think so cuz im voting u or cuz of another reason
lol every new account is just someone's alt huhIn post 176, Rathe wrote:im sheeping this game n i think dgb is probably townIn post 161, Nero Cain wrote:why exactly are you voting DW? you just sorted plopped down a vote on a growing bandwagon.In post 158, Rathe wrote:do u think so cuz im voting u or cuz of another reason
i never care for this sort of casual meta read, he's gonna seem similar across games because he's the same person, without a baseline for his scum meta this sort of thinking can easily lead you astrayIn post 182, nomnomnom wrote:getting town vibes from nero, reminds me of the few games I played with him where he was town, nothing out of the ordinary, feeling pretty confident about this one
you're saying i might be stubborn, it's barely been a day into the game though, do you believe from your posting up through now i should be seeing you as town?In post 186, Dwlee99 wrote:No, I changed my vote because I think Peta might be just stubborn town and I already said I find rathe scummy. His response to me saying I thought he was evil was "k" and ignoring the post where I explained why I didn't like his post to ask me if it was just because he was voting me.
everything nero spouts is just total bullshit, townreading someone early isn't in and of itself buddying, my posts aren't LAMIST, nothing in that post is close to a slipIn post 192, Nero Cain wrote:or nom3 is just scum that's pushing the next easiest wagon to split the peta voters. Peta/DW aren't being voted b/c they are loud. Its b/c Peta is generally scummy for buddying DGB and beingLAMIST. I also feel like he kinda slipped in 156. DGB's proposal, DW calling it out and then Peta calling him scum for it is most of if not all the game so nom not really wanting to comment on that is pretty suspicious but I feel like Peta put scum in a bad position anyways. And just whitwashing the day so far as "pushing confrontational loudmouths" is so incredibly wrong. He's being a revisionist.
There is one thing I'll give nom and its that Rathe is sort of coasting and the whole "I'm sheeping this game" is somewhat concerning but I'm not quite sure if it's outside of his wheelhouse as town b/c last game a few players called me scum on d1 (though I only remember Andre) and he investigated me so...
not really getting stubborn town from Peta.
please don't summarize arguments you don't actually understandIn post 213, T3 wrote:DGB: theoryIn post 209, VFP wrote:It was more of a joke at Osuka. He doesn't like me saying that.In post 207, Nero Cain wrote:like, I don't really understand why you'd join a game with the intention to not play unless you landed scum and lurking/coasting helps your faction.
If you gave me more than 8 minutes to read the game that would be useful.
But I have now.
And I still don't understand how Dwlee is the leading wagon.
Your post 74 I agree with but not so much seeing anything else that seems bad.
So someone explain to me like I'm 5 why Dwlee or Peter Pan are a good choice here?
Dwelee: no
peta: anyone who denies the theory is scum x10000
people: vote
You should be at least trying to gather new info on me to update your read, which you haven't done at all. We had an exchange where I asked about your Osuka read because I wanted to know what was different about their reaction to DGB's plan and you twisted that into me being scum.In post 281, petapan wrote:you're saying i might be stubborn, it's barely been a day into the game though, do you believe from your posting up through now i should be seeing you as town?
yes that's about what i was getting at - bogging things down in some boring "correct" argument is how i'd expect scum to approach someone coming out with a wacky plan to start the day - it's an easy point to make and offers basically nothing. i hit him with my vote for it and didn't like the response.In post 217, VFP wrote:This doesn't read like someone who's unhappy at Dwlee for not following DGB's plan. It seems to be more about how it was shut down and the reaction Dwlee given. I'm not saying I agree, but let's not read a story here.In post 67, petapan wrote:nevermind that i was the first one to engage dwlee and call him scum, my point is way less baking up dgb and ore that the way dwlee chose to engage and turn things into a pedantic argument about how not to play where he could make an "ideal" theoretical point about how "we shouldn't play it like mountainous" that glosses over what dgb is actually trying to say (we should emphasize dayplay and minimize decisions based on mechanical speculation, basic stuff). in the process he steers the conversation toward something non-game-advancing, that is, arguing about "well of course you should consider claims in a normal setup". and when i immediately jump him after that he responds not like someone who has genuine conviction in what he's arguing but cornered scum who doesn't know how to react
Peta can explain some thought process into this and why Dwlee is scum here.
am i stubborn town or not engaging in a way that town would, i didn't make any posts between this one and the last i quoted, so why the difference?In post 224, Dwlee99 wrote:Peta claimed to have "important setup info" then walked it back to "mod meta." The push on me that he has made is also terribad and I feel like he has failed to engage with me in a way that town would (as in, he acts like he has the game solved and doesn't even want to consider he could be wrong).
it's more than meta, his posts make sense and even though the argument that I'm somehow trying to deflect from your wagon because we're partners is silly, it just strikes me as town who wants his top sr lynched, that line of thinking on day 1 doesn't strike me as scum at allIn post 281, petapan wrote:i never care for this sort of casual meta read, he's gonna seem similar across games because he's the same person, without a baseline for his scum meta this sort of thinking can easily lead you astray
is this any different than you calling me DWs partner b/c I didn't feel like what he did was scummy?In post 281, petapan wrote:this feels like a sort of reflexive discrediting of nom, who is, i dunno, his entry so far i would say is fine and the conclusion nero jumps to, that nom is my partner trying to save me with an alternate wagon is a fairly ludicrous reach, i'm confbiased but imho that's not a believable train of thought at all
players in neighborhoods can be PRs or have no other powers - it used to be that neighbors were usually otherwise vanilla but PRs in hoods are more common nowIn post 288, Dragon of the West wrote:Okay, thanks. And are those threads usually related to specific PRs or is it possible for vanilla roles to have access to PTs?
Sorry, inconsistencies don't matter.In post 289, petapan wrote:am i stubborn town or not engaging in a way that town would, i didn't make any posts between this one an d the last i quoted, so why the difference?In post 224, Dwlee99 wrote:Peta claimed to have "important setup info" then walked it back to "mod meta." The push on me that he has made is also terribad and I feel like he has failed to engage with me in a way that town would (as in, he acts like he has the game solved and doesn't even want to consider he could be wrong).
yeah b/c it was the fact that you came at me in a sleazy way and keep trying to make weaselly misrep arguments, this is largely independent of my read of dwlee where yours is conspiracy-brain shit that stop making sense in worlds where i am townIn post 291, Nero Cain wrote:is this any different than you calling me DWs partner b/c I didn't feel like what he did was scummy?In post 281, petapan wrote:this feels like a sort of reflexive discrediting of nom, who is, i dunno, his entry so far i would say is fine and the conclusion nero jumps to, that nom is my partner trying to save me with an alternate wagon is a fairly ludicrous reach, i'm confbiased but imho that's not a believable train of thought at all
I can't see how Dwlee disagreeing about strategy can generate such a strong reaction from you that you feel a "correct" argument is bogging things down? Like even if it's slightly pedantic, aren't those the exact discussions that should help town align on a strategy? Especially when someone is suggesting a strategy for the group to follow on one of the first pages of the game. AND you go on to say that you don't necessarily agree with DGB's strategy....then what's your suggestion? ignore making any semblance of a plan rather than determine a path forward and work to make town's plan better? It's weird to not take a stance on DGB's early suggestion, but then scum read someone for openly saying they disagree with it.In post 287, petapan wrote:yes that's about what i was getting at - bogging things down in some boring "correct" argument is how i'd expect scum to approach someone coming out with a wacky plan to start the day - it's an easy point to make and offers basically nothing. i hit him with my vote for it and didn't like the response.In post 217, VFP wrote:This doesn't read like someone who's unhappy at Dwlee for not following DGB's plan. It seems to be more about how it was shut down and the reaction Dwlee given. I'm not saying I agree, but let's not read a story here.In post 67, petapan wrote:nevermind that i was the first one to engage dwlee and call him scum, my point is way less baking up dgb and ore that the way dwlee chose to engage and turn things into a pedantic argument about how not to play where he could make an "ideal" theoretical point about how "we shouldn't play it like mountainous" that glosses over what dgb is actually trying to say (we should emphasize dayplay and minimize decisions based on mechanical speculation, basic stuff). in the process he steers the conversation toward something non-game-advancing, that is, arguing about "well of course you should consider claims in a normal setup". and when i immediately jump him after that he responds not like someone who has genuine conviction in what he's arguing but cornered scum who doesn't know how to react
Peta can explain some thought process into this and why Dwlee is scum here.
nero of course is dead set on trying to misconstrue that i was arguing that no one should claim at all in accordance with dgb, which is not what i was trying to say and i don't think someone making an honest reading could get that (except T3, but he's a special case)
okay uh i'll be honestIn post 293, Dwlee99 wrote:Sorry, inconsistencies don't matter.In post 289, petapan wrote:am i stubborn town or not engaging in a way that town would, i didn't make any posts between this one an d the last i quoted, so why the difference?In post 224, Dwlee99 wrote:Peta claimed to have "important setup info" then walked it back to "mod meta." The push on me that he has made is also terribad and I feel like he has failed to engage with me in a way that town would (as in, he acts like he has the game solved and doesn't even want to consider he could be wrong).
Seriously though, you selectively quoted this to remove the context of someone asking why I think you might be scum which is exactly the kind of nonsense I'm talking about.
\In post 292, petapan wrote:players in neighborhoods can be PRs or have no other powers - it used to be that neighbors were usually otherwise vanilla but PRs in hoods are more common nowIn post 288, Dragon of the West wrote:Okay, thanks. And are those threads usually related to specific PRs or is it possible for vanilla roles to have access to PTs?
real quick - you've been away from the site for a while, have you played mafia at all in the meantime? do you remember the games you played on this site at all?