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skitter30 [4]

: ssbm_Kyouko, Roden, Infinity 324, Gamma Emerald

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Gamma Emerald [2]

: PookyTheMagicalBear, Ydrasse

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ssbm_Kyouko [2]

: Cephrir, skitter30

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PookyTheMagicalBear [1]

: DrippingGoofball

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Roden [1]

: Galron

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Tetrina [1]

: House

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Not Voting [2]

: Tetrina, rousseau

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With 13 still hanging in there, it takes 7 votes to exile someone. If a majority is not reached by deadline, plurality will decide.

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@infinity:
i started off this whole thing by saying it was primarily sus in that universe, yes. i agree that if malefactors aren't scum it isn't suspicious.

and for my first point i don't think 107 adequately explains why her first thought upon learning that scum were amongst the callers was to go looking for traitors. i don't think that's town's natural instict there much at all, but i think scum would do that. like of the two alignments, which is more likely to care about traitors?

your'e saying that town *could* have those thought processes, and i agree. what i'm saying is that of the two alignments, i think these thoguhts are *more likely* to come from scum than town. you're kinda sidestepping that point by saying that i ought to recognize it *could* come from town - i do, but i don't understand why it comes from town *more often* than it comes from scum, which si the bit i need to negate the reasons i'm scumreading her for this whole thing.

i'm definitely not looking for a flip right now, but i'm not particularly opposed to a wagon happening, that's how the game kinda happens and gets moving? i usually try to find something i can use to kick things off and then see what develops from there (i can provide numerous examples if you like). i'm not really sure why you think this means i'm looking for a flip on ssbm just now tho

and ok, sure. why do you think i would be townreading you here as town? what parts of your play ought i recognize as town-you?

@galron it would be an odd way to give that information to the town in a flavor post at the beginning of the game. i don't think tweet would write flavor to be scrutinized for in-game clues like that, i think it's much more likely that she used a fun word for flavor purposes.

fwiw i think that house popping in to call tetrina scummy for her entrance is Not a Good Look, especially since her later posting somewhat belies the initial impression he formed

In post 229, Tetrina wrote:

In post 226, rousseau wrote:

In post 224, Tetrina wrote:I don't like her calling me a gimmick when I was asking ydrasse something

I think she's town, I mean Resistance, or both her and ydrasse are scums

is there a reason why so many of the posts you commented on (the ones others are calling not so relevant) were ydrasse-centric?

No, I just responded to what I wanted to. Are you now saying

I

could be scum with her? Also a lot went over my head tbh but I'll get the hang of it

It seems odd that your mind went straight to defending yourself as a scum buddy rather than something else here.

using my braincells, for once, i feel like infinity + skitter are both town going back and forth in a little badminton match

fwiw on my end i feel like i'm going in circles
i am not convinced infinity is town tho

In post 277, Infinity 324 wrote:@galron it would be an odd way to give that information to the town in a flavor post at the beginning of the game. i don't think tweet would write flavor to be scrutinized for in-game clues like that, i think it's much more likely that she used a fun word for flavor purposes.

That very well could be, but my lone data point is that I associated the two almost instantly.

In post 282, DrippingGoofball wrote:VOTE: skitter30

sigh, ok why

In post 182, Infinity 324 wrote:

In post 177, Tetrina wrote:

In post 10, Infinity 324 wrote:8 is unfakeable

pedit: that'd be fun tbh

Wth is that unfakeable??

I'm half joking. I do think that post is town-indicative for ydrasse because I think she'd be really happy to roll town and I don't think her first thought after she rolls scum is to think "I need to fake being happy I rolled town"

PEdit: I lightly townread gamma because scum!him has been very scummy even early on in the past. Although, I think he can be a decent scum player so that's why it's a weak read. I'm relatively confident I can read him correctly as the game goes on

this post wasn't hitting right when i first read it but, so far infinity is speaking through her thoughts in a way i associate with her normal towngame

for skitter i don't think she would have this wim as scum after getting it and getting kicked around like a soccer ball a few times over

also the exasperation at being suspected if she's town would probably be as exasperated as she as here because it would suck being sussed when you finally get freedom

so her reactions of sighing and hemming feel towny because she doesn't... really fake those as scum i presume

In post 276, skitter30 wrote:and ok, sure. why do you think i would be townreading you here as town? what parts of your play ought i recognize as town-you?

infinity if you want to just answer this bit, i'm not sure the rest of it is really going to go anywhere

In post 276, skitter30 wrote:and ok, sure. why do you think i would be townreading you here as town? what parts of your play ought i recognize as town-you?

infinity if you want to just answer this bit, i'm not sure the rest of it is really going to go anywhere

In post 284, skitter30 wrote:

In post 282, DrippingGoofball wrote:VOTE: skitter30

sigh, ok why

Why didn’t you like my vote

i think you're asking why i didn't call out your vote?
i'm kinda dubious of dg's readlist overall and of her timing on this wagon

your vote was kidna 'meh i'm sheeping infinity' which isn't *good* per se but i think it probably comes from town so didn't concern me as much

*probably comes from town-you to clarify

Like > poke
Stupid phone autocorrect
Anyway, thanks for the answer

In post 205, Cephrir wrote:

In post 195, Tetrina wrote:

In post 184, rousseau wrote:

In post 183, Tetrina wrote:

In post 76, Ydrasse wrote:scum can’t get page tops btw

Are you serious?

is this

a gimmick?

Why are you defending her?

that's a yikes from me dawg

In post 209, Cephrir wrote:

In post 206, Tetrina wrote:What?

ydrasse was clearly not serious, and i'm alarmed that the thing you've found in the thread so far that you want to comment on is that

In post 216, Cephrir wrote:

In post 212, Tetrina wrote:

In post 209, Cephrir wrote:

In post 206, Tetrina wrote:What?

ydrasse was clearly not serious, and i'm alarmed that the thing you've found in the thread so far that you want to comment on is that

How was I supposed to know that?

What else should I comment on then?

because it's a ridiculous thing to say

id be interested if you have any reads yet, any opinions on the game mechanics, etc

Tetrina gets a Yikes, an Alarmed, and a Ridiculous. Seems hyperbolic.

In post 276, skitter30 wrote:your'e saying that town *could* have those thought processes, and i agree. what i'm saying is that of the two alignments, i think these thoguhts are *more likely* to come from scum than town. you're kinda sidestepping that point by saying that i ought to recognize it *could* come from town - i do, but i don't understand why it comes from town *more often* than it comes from scum, which si the bit i need to negate the reasons i'm scumreading her for this whole thing.

to me the whole thought process of "i didn't know there was scum in the NPCs" is very level 0 towny and i guess i'm not sure at this point whether you just don't see that or you're brushing it aside because it doesn't fit your narrative. to be fair, the way you're treating this argument indicates that you don't see that post as surface level towny no matter your alignment, which is honestly pretty baffling to me. i thought that it was pretty obviously not the first thing that scum would think of when trying to get into a town mindset. if i'm pushing someone early on and they come up with an explanation like that, i take a step back and ask myself if i really want to be pushing there. not that you had to come up with the conclusion that she's town, but i felt like it should've at least been a thought in your mind.

at this point what i have the most problem with is the "omgus and reactionary" comment, which you later explained that it was the way in which she was omgus/reactionary that you had a problem with (correct me if i'm misinterpreting). if you had said that to begin with, i'd feel much better about it.

i don't think there's anything in particular that you should be townreading me for here, except perhaps for the fact that i'm pushing you right out of the gate, but you tend to be quite good at recognizing town!me

In post 282, DrippingGoofball wrote:VOTE: skitter30

Does a scum!Skitter spend this much effort trying to build a case on town on day 1 of a phase when it's likely any wagon there is likely to break up?

In post 286, Ydrasse wrote:for skitter i don't think she would have this wim as scum after getting it and getting kicked around like a soccer ball a few times over

ydrasse you were in perpetual melo? i used this exact argument to townread her there and she was scum.

In post 293, Galron wrote:Tetrina gets a Yikes, an Alarmed, and a Ridiculous. Seems hyperbolic.

this is a good point, although my gut leans towards tetrina as scum here. but maybe that's just cause my brain is trying to do preflip associatives with skitt.

In post 296, Infinity 324 wrote:

In post 286, Ydrasse wrote:for skitter i don't think she would have this wim as scum after getting it and getting kicked around like a soccer ball a few times over

ydrasse you were in perpetual melo? i used this exact argument to townread her there and she was scum.

ahh i was

i don't remember what her scum record was before that but in the past few games i've seen she's rolled scum and it's went... bad very fast? (tarot + normal 2224) it's one thing to be like, happy and express you're happy because you're not scum but i think it's another thing to think "some people at this table might remember these things and be expecting me to react in some way" and then like, fake exasperation as she is if she is scum? it's not something i think scum thinks to do like, beyond the performative "omg yayyy"

In post 260, skitter30 wrote:

In post 246, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Because I didnt read the setup correctly and thought the 1 caller that knows the identity of scum was not known by scum, like a traitor. I feel like in that situation the caller would want to signal scum so I wanted to look for that signal.

eh ok, i guess that could make some amount of sense and is semi-plausible. and that's what you were thinking the first time you read the messages?

I was surprised they were actual people rather than mod-controlled anonymous messages. I just sort of read them and didnt think that much of them except that it was interesting that one was named Locke when we have Rousseau in the game. I thought the font thing tweetie did to show the static was cool, and after I saw the pronouns listed I scrolled back up to try to commit the pronouns to the avatars/usernames.

That's all I can remember thinking when reading it the first time