In post 257, Greeting wrote:They, themselves said, in 211 that since the wagon was slowly picking up, they didn’t want to be in the front row.
Because, as they said, it was an RVS vote, which gives them total legitimacy to remove their vote.
Them removing their RVS vote also leads to the idea that they in fact did not support my wagon, otherwise they would have.. well, not removed their vote.
Like I said before, my issue with that is not that they disagreed on voting you out but the fact that they did not pick an alternative.
If you insist, I will vote now:
VOTE: Greeting
That`s
E-1
if I am correct. Let`s see if someone dares to quickhammer.
As Taco pointed out you didn`t consider him unvoting without revoting suspicious. Was it because he did unvote you? Or are you a little bit mad about me jumping off your scum train on Jake?
Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 10:11 pm
by MegAzumarill
In post 269, hops wrote:Sorry, what does BPIC and CFD stand for?
BPIC-> Bulletproof Innocent Child, a player who is confirmed town that cannot be nightkilled for whatever reason
Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:58 am
by hops
In post 271, Jake The Wolfie wrote:Also, could you give a case for why you are scumreading me, or at least who else is in your PoE (Process of Elimination)?
I was pretty on the fence over limming Jake, since there are a few more people who I don't have enough information on to even mark as leaning town, including kennyk, Binatog, and N_M, but Jake haven't really been giving a good case for a nolim or to have someone else be higher on the lim. Something which feels to me like a scummy reaction trying to have their came and eat it with both hopefully not getting limmed but also not screwing over their partner with any association when they flip.
Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:59 am
by hops
That said, N_M's terrible job of being town on day 1 makes me suspicious of him too.
Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 2:01 am
by hops
In post 277, hops wrote: trying to have their came and eat it
*have their cake and eat it too
Ugh I need to proofread my posts more. Tripleposting is my own pet peeve too.
In post 271, Jake The Wolfie wrote:Also, could you give a case for why you are scumreading me, or at least who else is in your PoE (Process of Elimination)?
I was pretty on the fence over limming Jake, since there are a few more people who I don't have enough information on to even mark as leaning town, including kennyk, Binatog, and N_M, but Jake haven't really been giving a good case for a nolim or to have someone else be higher on the lim. Something which feels to me like a scummy reaction trying to have their came and eat it with both hopefully not getting limmed but also not screwing over their partner with any association when they flip.
In post 278, hops wrote:That said, N_M's terrible job of being town on day 1 makes me suspicious of him too.
I have my doubt about the conclusions in both posts.
Fist I can see why Jake is not suggesting a nolim because, as discussed earlier in this thread, a day one lim is always better than a nolim. And as far as I am concerned the fact that he didn`t try to build a case on someone else do deflect the train on him feels more town than scum. It should be no problem to just pick on some townie and not reveal any association with his partner if he was scum.
As far as I understand it, N_M might not make a hell of a good day one here (who is?), but for he could be far worse with trolling everyone and everything.
In post 277, hops wrote: trying to have their came and eat it
*have their cake and eat it too
Ugh I need to proofread my posts more. Tripleposting is my own pet peeve too.
I can asure you from my own experience, that even proofreading doesn`t help in most cases. Admittedly there might be mistakes in my writing because English is not my native language. But I would guess that more than half of my mistakes are due to sticky fingers ot the like. Even rereading some posts twice leads to
Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 2:47 am
by catboi
*shrug*
I don't really feel good about voting Greeting or Jake right now.
In post 271, Jake The Wolfie wrote:Also, could you give a case for why you are scumreading me, or at least who else is in your PoE (Process of Elimination)?
I was pretty on the fence over limming Jake, since there are a few more people who I don't have enough information on to even mark as leaning town, including kennyk, Binatog, and N_M, but Jake haven't really been giving a good case for a nolim or to have someone else be higher on the lim. Something which feels to me like a scummy reaction trying to have their came and eat it with both hopefully not getting limmed but also not screwing over their partner with any association when they flip.
I.. am not advocating for a no lim? Like, that's pretty opposite to what I'm doing here.
In post 211, kennyk wrote:
It is always right to consider who might be the second scum. But one has to also consider that the two scum players might not have acted obviously connected. If they coordinate very carefully they might leave no visibal connection whatsoever. This is especially true in day one where there is not much evidence in any direction.
As it is highly unlikely to identify both scum players on day one and vote one of them out by majority, I won`t condemn someone who votes someone else out but has no obvious scum partner at hand. And if I read everyones reads correctly, there are not many townreads overall. So there are always many possible scum-partners around.
I might not agree with Greetings read on Jake and the consequences he makes out of them, I agree with him in taking one step at a time.
And as there seems to be a wagon building on Jake with me sitting in the front row, I would like to remove my RVS vote:
UNVOTE: Jake
Do you have a better candidate to vote out? If the answer is yes then whom and why? If the answer is no, then what would be the most ideal outcome of Day One in your opinion?
No, I don't have any better candidate. The most ideal outcome of day one would of course be a scum elim (most prefered the roleblocker or the rolecop, if the setup has one of them in it). But the chances to get that result are at about 22 % (if I did the math right).
Then why are you choosing to unvote without picking a different candidate?
If you’re talking percentages then I gather that you have no suspects and rely only on mathematics? Correct me if I’m wrong. If that is true then why aren’t you choosing a candidate at random?
While I don’t have an issue with you disagreeing to vote out Jake, I don’t like the unvote when stuff got a bit heated. Sounds like you don’t want to get your hands dirty with a possible miselim.
I did something similar when I took my rvs vote off of you earlier. I held on to it a little while until I found someone I thought actually had a good chance to be correct.
Granted, there wasn't really any pressure there, but I don't think that was very unreasonable for kenny.
Are you serious about this? Or at the very least do you slightly scum read them?
Yes I’m serious, and don’t call me Shirley
Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:12 am
by Greeting
The first part of the story has been disclosed by me in 188, including why I suspect four players: Jake The Wolfie, kennyk, Binatog19 and Not_Mafia.
Of those four I decided to vote out Jake The Wolfie for the following reasons.
All of his posts up until the first time I was put at E-2 (post 102) - and later at E-1 were fluffy and lacked content. They gave the impression of the type of player that likes to incite drama and then sit at the backseat and watch it unfold. I actually agree with DaTacoX's description of this in post 192. It is possible to be both fluffy and aggressive and that is the impression I also gathered from Jake's posts.
His further posts weren't a lot better. In 178 they voiced a suspicion over kennyk without taking
any
sort of action. The rest of his posts seem to have this kind of teacher attitude, which is actually trying to steer people to say what they want them to say. I see this as a possible elaborate plan to generate content that will clear his name.
Jake never explained why they decided to vote me out, and as evidenced in that post, we know that it wasn't an RVS. In post 234 they even said that they don't think I'm necessarily scum but decides to vote me out anyway. Even if my death was to be useful for town by providing information, it was never specified what kind of information would that be. While I agree that it's better to vote out someone than not elim Day One (although there are cases in which noelim is better), I'm not going to hammer myself for a simple reason - I'm town and don't see any benefits to allowing my elimination to happen.
I think that voting out Jake is worth a shot, although he's not the only bandwagon that I'd support.
Kennyk is a possible scum partner to Jake. Post 178 could be an attempt for them to distance themselves from one another.
Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:24 am
by Greeting
I think that there's a bigger chance than not that there's at least one scum on my wagon. If my suspicions are going in the right direction, then it's entirely possible that both really want to sway town towards the direction of voting me out. If I'm correct about Jake and kennyk, then I'll be a lot more dangerous to them alive than dead. My experience with mafia taught me that reads of voted out townies are not always listened to. If town decides to hammer me I obviously won't be able to pursue them further and this whole day could be written off with town steered off later into a completely different direction.
Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:24 am
by Jake The Wolfie
There, now was that so hard?
In post 285, Greeting wrote:The first part of the story has been disclosed by me in 188, including why I suspect four players: Jake The Wolfie, kennyk, Binatog19 and Not_Mafia.
Of those four I decided to vote out Jake The Wolfie for the following reasons.
All of his posts up until the first time I was put at E-2 (post 102) - and later at E-1 were fluffy and lacked content. They gave the impression of the type of player that likes to incite drama and then sit at the backseat and watch it unfold. I actually agree with DaTacoX's description of this in post 192. It is possible to be both fluffy and aggressive and that is the impression I also gathered from Jake's posts.
His further posts weren't a lot better. In 178 they voiced a suspicion over kennyk without taking
any
sort of action. The rest of his posts seem to have this kind of teacher attitude, which is actually trying to steer people to say what they want them to say. I see this as a possible elaborate plan to generate content that will clear his name.
Jake never explained why they decided to vote me out, and as evidenced in that post, we know that it wasn't an RVS. In post 234 they even said that they don't think I'm necessarily scum but decides to vote me out anyway. Even if my death was to be useful for town by providing information, it was never specified what kind of information would that be. While I agree that it's better to vote out someone than not elim Day One (although there are cases in which noelim is better), I'm not going to hammer myself for a simple reason - I'm town and don't see any benefits to allowing my elimination to happen.
I think that voting out Jake is worth a shot, although he's not the only bandwagon that I'd support.
Kennyk is a possible scum partner to Jake. Post 178 could be an attempt for them to distance themselves from one another.
Let us go through this.
First of all, I wasn't trying to incite drama. That vote was to pressurize you, because at the time I didn't have a firm grasp on the game. In response, nothing much happened. in fact, I've been trying to spark a discussion because that is how the game advances, Greeting.
Next, I've already contested how you can't be both Aggressive and fluffy, but that is a moot point.
While you could take 178 at me casting suspicion against Kenny, it can (and also was intended) be interpreted as me not understanding what Kenny was saying. Not understanding what someone is saying doesn't mean that you are suspicious of them.
Yes, I didn't explain why I voted you, but that is partially because saying "don't worry, I don't actually want to kill you" makes building pressure harder. That was my mistake.
I think that Greeting can live another day here, but now I need to find a new bandwagon to hops on. UNVOTE: Greeting
Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:51 am
by Not_Mafia
VOTE: catboi
Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:53 am
by Greeting
In post 287, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
Yes, I didn't explain why I voted you, but that is partially because saying "don't worry, I don't actually want to kill you" makes building pressure harder. That was my mistake.
I think that Greeting can live another day here, but now I need to find a new bandwagon to hops on. UNVOTE: Greeting
Yeah, I'm not sure I'm buying this. Post 275 happened more than 12 hours ago. For 12 hours I was in immediate danger of getting hammered and you were okay with that. If what you're saying is true, that is an extremely risky way of building pressure and I believe that you were at least okay with voting me out.
In post 287, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
Yes, I didn't explain why I voted you, but that is partially because saying "don't worry, I don't actually want to kill you" makes building pressure harder. That was my mistake.
I think that Greeting can live another day here, but now I need to find a new bandwagon to hops on. UNVOTE: Greeting
Yeah, I'm not sure I'm buying this. Post 275 happened more than 12 hours ago. For 12 hours I was in immediate danger of getting hammered and you were okay with that. If what you're saying is true, that is an extremely risky way of building pressure and I believe that you were at least okay with voting me out.
That's fine. You can believe that if you want to.
I'm more worried about Not_Mafia over here jumping ship as soon as he suspects your wagon isn't viable.
In post 287, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
Yes, I didn't explain why I voted you, but that is partially because saying "don't worry, I don't actually want to kill you" makes building pressure harder. That was my mistake.
I think that Greeting can live another day here, but now I need to find a new bandwagon to hops on. UNVOTE: Greeting
Yeah, I'm not sure I'm buying this. Post 275 happened more than 12 hours ago. For 12 hours I was in immediate danger of getting hammered and you were okay with that. If what you're saying is true, that is an extremely risky way of building pressure and I believe that you were at least okay with voting me out.
Do you actually think he backs down here as mafia, when it's entirely possible he'd be able to get you eliminated anyway? You can
disagree
with the play of leaving you at E-1 but that doesn't mean it's scum motivated.
After reconsideration, I would like to apologize to Greeting for this uncalled for comment.
Now I think that its actually Greeting / Jake pair intentionally calling each other.
N_M's randoming names early is sometimes accurate. So it might be Greeting.
