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In post 272, StrangeMatter wrote:but I don't get the "what" that's faked

In post 268, Meuh wrote:Greeting, I think you’re putting a bit too much emphasis on the way some people talk or general archetypes of players as patterns from past games to define your reads. I skimmed through other games I played with Marci and she didn’t use capital letters more there. Mentors can be town, and they can be scum. I don’t think alignment would change whether or not someone plays as a mentor or if someone suddenly likes capitalizing things.

In post 257, StrangeMatter wrote:

In post 252, Cape90 wrote:Maybe this thought I just got is based around too many hypotheticals, but I feel like Asu would be coached in mafia chat about how to play, what to say to the thread, etc. But instead from Asu, there is no real content/Asu asking what stuff means in thread, which I would expect a new mafia player ask directly to someone else on their team in private. If this makes sense.

Personally, I've tried doing this exact play as town (I actually learned about it from someone playing scum in Newbie 2076 so right now after failing I'm taking it with a grain of salt since they had already known who was town) where I assumed wrong that they didn't have a partner, just that their partner actually didn't really help them much and they escaped under the radar. Personally, though I still think it's possible that scum can just not help each other, though honestly I don't have enough data to really confirm this or not.

In post 261, ProHawk wrote:Real quick, initial impressions are that Greeting doesn't feel like opportunistic scum for vote hopping to marci who is generally town-read in the thread.

Probably going to take a peek at Prism, getting scum-vibes there ATM.

In post 280, StrangeMatter wrote:Excuse me? I've been focused on trying to read Cape09 at this point, I just gave my opinion there at the time, I just haven't really read the slot over again yet.

In post 157, MegAzumarill wrote:

(Greeting)

(Another player)
My reads so far:

Town Lean

Hops - I can see the scumhunting on him.

Neutral

Most of the players.

Scum Lean

None so far. Will update info soon.

That was so... uninformative. Would putting you at E-1 speed up the info?

Rereading Greeting's ISO in Newbie 2081 the above quote stood out. Overall Greeting's play in that game (where we both were town) is a lot more transparent than their play here.

The above quote is essentially Greeting scumreading someone for about the same qualities they exhibit this game (lack of reads)
This matters because players (especially new ones) most often scum read behaviors that they themselves do as scum.

I'm going to read their other game on-site in a minute.

In post 160, MegAzumarill wrote:Newbie 2078 - Greeting Town
Greeting primarily talks about mech and strategy here over actual reads. It contrasts with her play in 2081, but I suspect its mostly due to it being their first game on site.
Take a look if you want but it doesn't feel like much can be drawn between that one and this.

I am still yet to see any townlike qualities from greeting's play this game, but I'll turn my attention elsewhere for now.

In post 276, MegAzumarill wrote:

In post 268, Meuh wrote:Greeting, I think you’re putting a bit too much emphasis on the way some people talk or general archetypes of players as patterns from past games to define your reads. I skimmed through other games I played with Marci and she didn’t use capital letters more there. Mentors can be town, and they can be scum. I don’t think alignment would change whether or not someone plays as a mentor or if someone suddenly likes capitalizing things.

VOTE: Greeting
If anything their recent play has reinforced my scumread on them.
It's a very easy thing for newer scum players to try and read into styles more so than content because
1. It's easy
2 It's the first thing you notice
3 They don't actually need to use the content to solve the game

In post 133, Prism wrote:I've intentionally avoided commenting on Greeting as I knew that they faced issues with players scumreading their tone and finding their play frustrating in Newbie 2081. I wanted to take the time to work through the substance and progression instead.

There's an instinct to be transparent about trying something new that might backfire. Unfortunately, it is usually counterproductive and results in more scrutiny being put on the thing you're testing. I think this is the confusion Greeting is experiencing.

Reviewing Greeting's ISO, I see some pieces I like and some common themes. It's very obvious, at least to me, that what they're doing involves running people up to high-but-not-elimination wagons. Post 91 makes it clear that they weren't voting Meg out of suspicion. I think the most illuminating line comes at the end of 91 in reply to marci: "Wagons can also be used for other purposes than actually voting someone out and that's what I want to do."

I'm not really inclined to vote this slot yet. I wouldn't call it hardtown but I liked 46's reply to Marcistar. Greeting wasn't enthused by the gamepace, but didn't realize that marcistar was highlighting that

someone

has to push the game forward, and the response is in line with that.

In post 288, marcistar wrote:

In post 276, MegAzumarill wrote:

In post 268, Meuh wrote:Greeting, I think you’re putting a bit too much emphasis on the way some people talk or general archetypes of players as patterns from past games to define your reads. I skimmed through other games I played with Marci and she didn’t use capital letters more there. Mentors can be town, and they can be scum. I don’t think alignment would change whether or not someone plays as a mentor or if someone suddenly likes capitalizing things.

VOTE: Greeting
If anything their recent play has reinforced my scumread on them.
It's a very easy thing for newer scum players to try and read into styles more so than content because
1. It's easy
2 It's the first thing you notice
3 They don't actually need to use the content to solve the game

why wouldnt his partner tell him to stop after the first time?

In post 24, Greeting wrote: In what way?

Why do you expect scum to be a bit nervous?

In post 46, Greeting wrote:Let's say I do. Who is your choice and why?

In post 179, MegAzumarill wrote:-_()_- It feels more likely to come from town than scum.

I'd provide example but I don't think we'd get anywhere.

VOTE: ProHawk Let's get some pressure this way.

In post 294, Prism wrote:ProHawk-given that that post develops a Greeting townread as opposed to a scumread, and I did not hesitate to pull out the meta I had on hand for marcistar to justify the townread I developed on her, what are you concerned with here?

In post 183, Cape90 wrote:

In post 180, Greeting wrote:

In post 171, Prism wrote: That said, the MafiaScum wiki has some great articles that have kind of stood the test of time. I'm partial to this one.

Wow, this article is a real eye-opener as to how players on MafiaScum operate and behave. I guess it explains quite a lot. I’ve obviously played mafia several times before joining this site and I knew the general strategies, which I applied in my own way. I had no idea that people use this as a suggested point system and then act upon it.

Alright locking Greeting as town.

Have a nice day

In post 187, Cape90 wrote:Just seems like you are asking a random question without really thinking or trying to see perspective for yourself. I don't see depth in your content in general this game.