Mini 116: Trigger Mafia Concluded

[shadyforce]

I'm still confused and suspicious about the inconsistencies regarding the triggers:
Jag and Nard and otaku all searched their houses and found an item, whereas Totem suddenly turns into a Donut. Nard knew he was a vig and (I think) got mixed up with flavour text, or rather the town got mixed up with his flavour text. Totem has some anti-cop-repellent but doesn't know what exactly. Jag is a detective, plain and simple, but doesn't know her sanity (but that's norm for almost any cop), whereas you Otaku didn't have a clue what your role done. For you it was a guess at your role, whereas for the others it was a definite role, but a guess at the specifics.

There is inconsistency and I think at least one of the claimed roles so far are lying.

FOS: Totem

as well, because his trigger has the biggest discrepancay of all of them, and yes, I know you voluntarily came out asap, but I still think it might have been an attempt to negate all cop investigations for the entire game, and come out asap to make a gambit appear like a good and voluntary act.

I have to say, when the first claim doesn't match the style of the rest of them, it's usually a good indication of being caught in a lie.

[Candice]

I am full aware that this is risky, but I'm not going to let someone fall suspicious when I can back them up. I got two triggers last night, one in Nard and Jag's style and the other in Totem's. I'm inclined to believe both Jag and Totem, now, because Nard WAS town and claimed AFTER Jaguar, and now I know that Totem's style of trigger DOES exist.

I'll be posting more tomorrow night. Swamped at work.

[Yaw]

Okay, so since a few people have asked and I probably wasn't clear to anyone save myself ^_^, I'll explain the triggers as best I can.
1) They are left unknown (there are a few game mechanics that might potentially allow someone to find out a few of them, but that is neither here nor now)
2) There are universal pro-town triggers, universal mafia triggers, and general triggers that can occur to anyone.
3) It is the last one of the day that is most important, so long as it has not been claimed by someone else
Example:
A states/does 1, 50, 3, 18, and 35 in his/her final post
then B states 9, 25, 35, 48, 18
then C states 30, 11, 19, 35
then D (mafia) states 28, 19, 60, 45, 6
A can become 35, B can become 18, C can become 19 (as 35 is already claimed), and D can become 45 as 6 is a pro-town trigger and thus non-applicable.
There is a fair amount of chance, but also of strategy in regards to shifting, imo.

From way back. I'm posting that as context from the mod that indicates Candice shouldn't have gotten two triggers last night.

Vote: Candice

as pressure for an explanation.

[Candice]

I was given no explaination why I triggered twice. The message was kinda like, search for stuff? By they way, you can do something else, too. Boggles my mind to be honest, too.

[Totem]

I'm still confused and suspicious about the inconsistencies regarding the triggers:
Jag and Nard and otaku all searched their houses and found an item, whereas Totem suddenly turns into a Donut.

Wasn't I the first that revealed that I believe Jag and Nard because they described the triggers exactly the same way as mine. Namely:
a) were asked first if they want to search the house to find something to use against mafia (without revealing )
b) found forgoten the object form childhood/long ago.
c) are not sure what the triger word was or what the exact efect is

I have no idea why do you see my trigger different from others? Candice last post worries me: two triggers ?? ?? one 'Totem style' (there is no 'Totem style') .

[Otaku376]

Re Shady: Like jaguar and nard I had a clue what my role did, but then there is a twist. Nard had a toy gun that went bang with a little flag. I don't think that would kill anyone, so obviously his role differed from traditional vig. I got medicine, when injected it has a differed effect from traditional doc.

Re Totem trigger: It sounds like someone is lying because the chances Candice and Totem both telling the truth seem small. The fact that Candice hit two triggers last night make me uninclined to believe her.

Vote: Candice

The only thing that seems weird to me is that totem searched his house and turned into a donut?

Question to the Mod: While asleep, is Jaguar exempt from being voted for?
I am starting to consider my role rather useless.

[Otaku376]

Oh, by the way...I may be the new black sheep but last night what I found was not from my childhood. I just found it and decided to pick it up

[shadyforce]

Sorry Totem. I didn't know you has the same intro story as the rest. I thought you just turned into a donut. But tell me how that worked pls. You found one and then suddenly turned into one? Every one else just found something. Still suspicious.

Ok, I'm just very suspicious because I got a trigger last night, and it is both explicit and incredibly obvious exactly what it does. Not only does Tigris give me a cool intro story, but he goes on to tell me explicitly what it does so there can be no confusion. I guess that's why I'm suspicious of some of you.

Ok, now Candice's revelation is uber-suspicious. You

can't

get 2 trigger messages. How it works is at the end of the day, you are given one message (or none), corrsponding to the last trigger message, asking you if you want to go search for an item. After Totem's recent statement, there is no other style of activating a trigger, so what the hell are you on about, and why are you defending people again? I was never in the least bit suspicious of you over-defending but now I am. What's going on?

Otaku: I guess your power would be great, but only for mafia and useless for town. Maybe you hit one of those 'scum only' triggers?

[Yaw]

On the other hand, I think Otaku's power would make a great pro-town role. Consider what would happen if he targets scum with that. Even if it doesn't roleblock, it still buys us a day. He

does

have to hit scum, though. At any rate, that sort of role was in DP10, if I recall correctly.

Just saying that Otaku's role works both ways. Far more risky pro-town than anti-town, but I don't think scum are likely to come out at the beginning of the day to say, "Hey everyone, I roleblocked the cop last night!" Seems like too loopy a gambit.

[Tigris]

No lynching people who are asleep, that's just mean ^_~. (Translation: you can vote for her, but it has the same effect as voting no lynch)

vote count

candice (2)-yaw, otaku

not voting: willows, shady, totem, candice, tam, and bluesin

[Candice]

Okay. I never got two trigger messages. I got a message asking if I wanted to look for something (which I did) and a PS saying that I hit a SECOND trigger, and I could make an action tonight.

[Yaw]

Isn't that the same thing? Otherwise what is the "second" part referring to?

[Candice]

What "second part"? The PS?

What that I would love to be able to mod-quote...

If you'll note, Shadyforce, I made my comment about the two styles of trigger BEFORE Totem's clarification? I personally find it REALLY hard to believe that someone will just turn into a glazed donut when asked if they want to find something to use against Mafia.

I really think we should be looking at Bluesin right now. I doubted that when I saw that Nard really was town, but on second thought, I'm not totally convinced that he's not. First of all, I do believe he was the ONLY person 100% convinced of Nard's innocence... and second, he admitted to not actually paying attention to the thread and following Shadyforce (regarding my supposed "bandwagon hopping").

FoS: Bluesin

[Yaw]

Yes. You said you got a PS saying you hit a second trigger. With SECOND emphasized. But you only should have been able to hit one trigger. So what is that "second" referring to?

I do have to reread this thread at some point...

[Candice]

Okay. I'll do this as best I can without a roleclaim (which I won't do unless specifically asked) and without mod-quoting.

First, it tells me that I've found some things searching through my home, and asks me if I want to use one.

Then, in that same PM, it tells me that I've struck an additional trigger, and I have what I interpretted to be a one-shot ability for TONIGHT. I could not use it last night and I'm under the impression that I can not use it again.

[willows_weep]

Interesting. At two different times, you are told you have triggered something...as if the second trigger has absolutely nothing to do with the first one.

Im thinking about that because you said "Ive found some things"
and "use one"
Then "Ive struck an additional trigger".

My issue is that if triggers are only triggered in in thread posts then the word "additional" mixed with my line of thinking about this should not be.


Well anyway (if anyone got that stuff) so you use it at the end of this day?
Would that suggest not being able to use two triggers in one night?
In my opinion that would better support what youre saying in regards to the double trigger issue.

But anyway...doesn't that suck? I mean...if its a cool trigger and all ...there is a possibility you could die before you use it.

[willows_weep]

Oh wait...you said without a roleclaim?

Does that at all suggest that youre not plain townie...?
Its just that your words to me sound as if youre making it all sound uber important...I understand it is important though, with the players(some/few) putting some sort of pressure though.

Hm...if you arent just a plain townie...and you have two triggers...( did you use one last night? And now you can use the other one tonight? Is that the case Candice?) then that's pretty neat right?
Depending I guess...

[BlueSin]

vote candice

fishy person with the 2 trigger things. And, I being the only sane person who believe nard is scummy? I think you are.

By the way, I was told I've hit a trigger last night. I was told that the item can do what in the pm.
1)I was told i found something that can use against the scum. do u want to use it?
2)i said yes and the description arrived. something like i found my mom's ***...
that is a one-shot ability FYI.

[Tam]

Right. Well, personally I find the big issue whether to lynch Candice first, or Totem.

I think they are both scummy as hell. Candice only slightly more than Totem. The mod explicitly states that you can not hit two triggers at once, and I think Candice screwed up and forgot that.

I hit a trigger last night that was the 'searching around your house' type thing. And I found an item that gave me an ability. I am not eager to advertise, but it was smoothly integrated with an event, it wasn't "You search your house and turn into a glazed donut"

I find it highly unlikely that Totem is truthful about his trigger, but more suspicious that Candice claims the two triggers.

But, I don't feel enough discussion has gone on to feel secure in placing a 4th vote, so

FOS: Candice

[Otaku376]

Another thing I don't like about Candice's claim...so there's a 1 shot ability she can only use *tonight*? What would happen if she hit a trigger today? According to the game rules, if she accepts a new trigger, she loses the ability? I am having a hard time understanding the night specific one shot thing...

[Candice]

You know, you're all asking questions I'm asking too. I have no idea how I got the first "searching" trigger and the one-shot as well. If it takes a role-claim I will, although I won't like it.

[willows_weep]

See anti town or not...the "I wont like it" part is iffy...you know?
Its...about the collective...

[shadyforce]

You might as well role-claim Candice, because I don't buy it at all, and nobody else seems to be budging either.

Vote count please?

[BlueSin]

I agree that it is time....for candice to claim or said something convincing.

[Tigris]

Even though it's been less then two days, as requested your bottom of the page vote count ^_^

vote count

3 candice-yaw, otaku, bluesin

not voting: candice, shady, tam, totem, and willows