Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:44 pm
I didn't read every post from today but I'm caught up enough. I don't think I missed too much based on discord chats, so I'll probably not go back to reread all that unless I absolutely have to. I'm way too tired from waiting up to talk to nacho last night and my eyes feel crossed to do much more tonight, so hopefully sleep soon!In post 1244, Fermis Flames wrote:I speed-read and have done nothing but read this game since I got home. Gonna try to step away cuz I'm getting a headache.
I haven't read my other heads thoughts to completion yet, as I didn't have time to do that too, but right now where I'm at:
Town to varying degrees: Battle Mage (I just like his posting. Call me stupid but him telling everyone he's a blade in the way he has makes me chuckle and that's my weakness), Gamma (once he finally stopped arguing with BM I started feeling better about him.), Cabd, Flavor Leaf (this is probably actually premature, but I like his stuff so far. I don't feel completely inept at reading him, so he stays here until I start feeling uncomfortable), l4pe and unwnd (this one I'm slotting to see exactly how I feel about it being in this group. I've gone back and forth on a few of the reasonings for their posts, but right now I'm leaning towards me just not agreeing with their logic rather than they're scummy.)
most people are shades of null. I'm actually surprised I have that many people that I have in a townish pool! midway bear, bell, and brian might belong in that group as well but meh they're on positive levels of null.
both my other head feel pretty strong about cakez scum as far as I understand, and I kinda want to throw in with theirs and cabd's confidence on cakez but for me yeah he could flip scum but I'm not personally that confident. This could be because I'm still feeling guilty about last game when I had a little good thing to keep town reading him for and I didn't voice it even though last game was an attempted game throw anyway. BUT.
Think noraa is just scum.
I'm still basically here.
Though move l4pe down to null. Lack of posting loses my they feel fine in the moment. i do still like my thing about the self-awareness thing. I'm just not sure it's very strong. I still feel decently comfortable about the other townish reads.
Add bell and reagan to the townish pile. (reagan was moving in here before prism showed up, but I do *like* prism's first post. erm was gonna say I think they post that kind of what they expect from themself and how they prefer to play more as town than scum and came off differently than when we were scum together but now when i started typing it out I remembered a game moons ago where a type of post like this came from scum, so this point is moot. I still do like the first post but I don't know if it's because I was already starting to think that peta was leaning town, so meh. idk but they're there.)
cobra kai might be here too actually. This is a comfort and flow read.
Brian should probably be moved from null into town. I did like the way he was reading muffin from nacho's posts last night. Kinda liked the "town muffin would never scum read me' thing. Don't think that's at all alignment indicative on the muffincho side though. My other heads have him as super town, and i don't have any objections really, the shining halo just hasn't appeared to me yet.
muffincho are positive shades of null. I liked nacho's interaction with me last night quite a lot, but I know that i've also given scumcho an early pass for having a good interaction with me and good posts in the early game. If he's able to interact with the game more, I'll be able to move this up or down. We haven't played together for years though; hopefully I'm still okay at reading him. Also I did not reach out to him beginning game, and I did this purposefully so as not to jinx it. 90% of the time when I reach out, he ends up scum. I did not reach out which should only give him a 10% chance at scum. I know this is how probabilities and percentages work because I never mess those up!
noraa is an actual scum read that I'm wavering on a little bit but I still like. beeboy is my back pocket scum read. MWNN might be too, not really too sure about this but something feels off can't put my finger on it.
Noraa - My scum read on you is largely due to your entrance feeling fake. When you first came in you made the big thing about RVS, which I get! it's a travesty to miss RVS, which is the only good part of mafia. You seemed very friendly with Cabd at first and asked him how sure he was about cakez and voted there while interacting with cakez in a weird way about meta. It looked like you were trying to find a way to vote him besides just cabd said so. I get that you came back and said all that was your own mini rvs, but it wasn't clear at the time that you were doing that, and I guess maybe? I don't know that it totally looks like that in retrospect, but sure I'll squint and say I can see it.
My major problem is what happened next. When you came back you chastised the thread and Cabd for the read and declared if you were right everyone had to call you daddy. Which is fine, arrogant chutzpah doesn't make you scum. Except you never gave a read on cakez; you were just yelling about people sheeping cabd and there being no case. What it looks like is that you cared more about trying to discredit cabd than do anything else in the game, and that's what concerns me the most. I asked you three times earlier what your actual read on cakez was and you ignored every time I asked you the question. Even while you were around and posting. I don't really buy into the scum theater argument there. My problem with you is that your shtick this game seems to be focusing mostly on discrediting people than trying to figure out the game. Maybe this is your town game, but as someone who replaced into undertale and told the remaining townies in final three that they were both playing badly, I expect you know how to play town. And I'm having a hard time seeing this as your town game.
Your push on flavor leaf likewise didn't make sense. you claimed that he was pushing you as a wagon to distract from the cakez wagon who could be scum that flavor is scum partners with even though flavor was scum reading you and cakez and voting unwind. (If I've misunderstood your argument here feel free to correct me. This is how I understand it.)
I'm just having a hard time reading your thoughts as believable. I'm always reassessing and willing to be proven wrong, so if you're town please start acting like it.
For cakez man guys I just don't know. My other heads have a decently strong scum read there and are putting their faith in cabd's read there as well. I'm not saying they're wrong to, but I just don't know. Cakez doesn't feel as natural as he did last game, and i didn't like the early push on BM for the reasoning, but I just really don't know. I'm willing to put my faith in my hydra partners and cabd's read because sometimes conviction sways me and I want that warm blanket of certainty, but personally I'd not take a bet on what he'll flip.