In post 2690, Chara wrote:Flea - what question would you want me to ask?
Anything PoE related at this point. From my working out you are not hard mech scum at this point. at least to me.
Chara is confirmed a criminal by Yin.
Are you referring to that?
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:19 am
by Amy Dunne
Pooky said to me in discord that he wasn’t happy I replaced into the trust fall game where he was scum and I was town, because he really didn’t like having to fool me and he even adamantly refused to pair with me, which would have made his wincon so much easier than how he actually ended up winning. This is really frustrating to me because I’m not wrong on this.
, is there more than 1 criminal inside of Tanner, Amy, Robert, Ydrasse, and Chara?
There's more then 1.
We know that Tanner is a criminal, and we know that Amy/Robert/Ydrasse are not criminals. That makes Chara a criminal.
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:22 am
by Yang
Infinity was precious cute sweet town we love her
I am calling her town because we must remember her
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:24 am
by Morning Tweet
In post 2751, Amy Dunne wrote:Pooky said to me in discord that he wasn’t happy I replaced into the trust fall game where he was scum and I was town, because he really didn’t like having to fool me and he even adamantly refused to pair with me, which would have made his wincon so much easier than how he actually ended up winning. This is really frustrating to me because I’m not wrong on this.
Right but if Pooky is scum he still has to fool you whether he likes it or not. That's the game
Essentially, you're saying Pooky wouldn't talk to you this way as scum. Like a "Can't you see I'm town? Look at me go I'm so town" tone. I understand why you read him town because of that, and I agree it's more towny than not. Would it be really easy to do as scum, yes, but I can see a world where scum Pooky wouldn't do that because he doesn't like actively singling you out to trick you. So perhaps.
It's also possible in my mind that Pooky could be the third faction where he can satisfy not having to trick you (since he's not exactly scum in that case), although we know nothing about the third faction so it's hard to say.
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:26 am
by Morning Tweet
Pooky and i are not allowed to go a day phase without cycling through both townreading and scumreading each other. it's one of the unwritten rules of mafia
In post 2751, Amy Dunne wrote:Pooky said to me in discord that he wasn’t happy I replaced into the trust fall game where he was scum and I was town, because he really didn’t like having to fool me and he even adamantly refused to pair with me, which would have made his wincon so much easier than how he actually ended up winning. This is really frustrating to me because I’m not wrong on this.
Right but if Pooky is scum he still has to fool you whether he likes it or not. That's the game
Essentially, you're saying Pooky wouldn't talk to you this way as scum. Like a "Can't you see I'm town? Look at me go I'm so town" tone. I understand why you read him town because of that, and I agree it's more towny than not. Would it be really easy to do as scum, yes, but I can see a world where scum Pooky wouldn't do that because he doesn't like actively singling you out to trick you. So perhaps.
It's also possible in my mind that Pooky could be the third faction where he can satisfy not having to trick you (since he's not exactly scum in that case), although we know nothing about the third faction so it's hard to say.
Yes, that’s EXACTLY what I’m saying. Scum!Pooky wouldn’t single me out like that. He isn’t FL who probably would lim his own mother. I’m telling you I KNOW Pooky wouldn’t do that to me. Plus there’s anti-partnery interactions with Infinity and he is usually either emotionally flat or almost menacing when scum. Here he is extremely upbeat - another towntell because he hates playing scum. He is also actively solving, reads uninformed and doesn’t have any agenda I can see.
, is there a criminal between Flea, Ydrasse, and Ircher?
Now this is a damn good question.
And I will eat the lim if it comes back positive.
i just do not understand this. if we were going to lim based on Yin confirming someone is a criminal it's going to be Tanner or me. if you're elimmed it's not going to be because Yin said so.
you should know you're not scum from your pov, right? if Yin said without a doubt you were a criminal are you then happy to lim yourself, even though that confirmation would mean that being a criminal isn't AI? even if it does have mechanical significance it just does not make sense to me.
This is an incredibly inconsistent point of view from Flea. I just want to highlight this. Flea is trying to eliminate Tanner in order to find out if criminals are scum, but Flea is saying if fae is revealed as a criminal, fae will elim faeself in order to determine if criminals are scum.
What?
Did Flea know fae was going to not appear as a criminal so it was a move for towncred without thinking too much about the implications? I dunno. It makes no sense..
Flea knew Fae would be mechCleared by Yin. Flea also knew if Fae asked the question it could potentially allow for bias
Flea NOW INSISTS WE TAKE OUT THE MECHCONF CRIMINALS.
FLEA ALSO INSIST CHARA AND TANNER ARE LEASHED ON QUESTIONS IN CASE OF YIN HAVING ALTERNATE MECHANICS.
You being cleared as a criminal says nothing. It's really confusing how you don't see this.
Well by the same logic, Ircher is the only living mechclear player.
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:12 am
by Flea The Magician
In post 2712, Chara wrote:Nakata or Flea today. i don't think they're both scum, but it's possible. my first guess for scum in the not-immediately-obvious players is clidd, i have reasons to tr all of Amy, Tweetie, Tanner, Ydrasse, Pooky more than clidd though the only ones i'm very sure of are Amy and Tweetie atm.
Love how you're suddenly on me now the mechconf method is in my favour.
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:13 am
by Flea The Magician
In post 2713, Chara wrote:tbh i don't think any odd play has anything to do with Silent Star weirdness. it seems like it's Yin, Yang, the bomb, and whatever caused the lack of a night/kill. Flea playing in a nonstandard way is nothing new and while i don't townread faer at all the frustrating fixation on mech to the expense of everything else does seem plausible, and less helpful to scum Flea than just trying to hunt would be. like i said fae is capable of it.
Again I'm not shy about my hunting being nonexistant in this game and being hyperfocused on the mech.
Well that's because...... he is the only living mechclear player.
I'm really confused. That's correct. Ircher is the only mechclear player in this game. Who else are you under the impression is mechclear?
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:28 am
by clidd
Nakata is the PoE side that appears in most of my solves, so:
VOTE: Satoru Nakata
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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:29 am
by Morning Tweet
"You not being a criminal means nothing."
"If me not being a criminal means nothing, then all of the criminal business means nothing and the only person who we know the alignment of for sure is Ircher."
"That is..... correct."
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:30 am
by clidd
Morning, Ydrasse, Amy, Pooky and Ircher are my townpool.
Flea, Nakata, Chara and Tanner are PoE. I can see any of them being scum.
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:31 am
by Morning Tweet
If you assume Infinity was a criminal, Nakata is a confirmed criminal, by the way. So you could lim there if you only want to vote criminals.
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:35 am
by Ydrasse
In post 2767, clidd wrote:Morning, Ydrasse, Amy, Pooky and Ircher are my townpool.
Flea, Nakata, Chara and Tanner are PoE. I can see any of them being scum.
tanner?????
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:37 am
by Flea The Magician
Spoiler: Ny copy of mech notes
There are 4 criminals (286) across 3 factions (503)
Well that's because...... he is the only living mechclear player.
I'm really confused. That's correct. Ircher is the only mechclear player in this game. Who else are you under the impression is mechclear?
Honestly the vibes from the game are rediculous. People are following Yin PoE and against PoE at the exact same time. Amy seems to have been given a clear wave, as does Ydrasse. Ydrasse is clearly town by read imo, I haven't paid enough attention to amy to see.