Mini 2247: Mountain Dew Mafia (Game Over)

[Towelie]

i don't really have a solve that i don't have at least some kind of reservation against atm.

probably next step is to start re-isoing or some meta dives, not that that's my strong suit but i'm not sure where else to go other than just start flipping people

i don't really vibe w/ the sentiment that this is any kind of mechanical win yet though, even if we're ahead. only takes one bad assumption to lose it

-b

[StrangeMatter]

i don't really have a solve that i don't have at least some kind of reservation against atm.

probably next step is to start re-isoing or some meta dives, not that that's my strong suit but i'm not sure where else to go other than just start flipping people

i don't really vibe w/ the sentiment that this is any kind of mechanical win yet though, even if we're ahead. only takes one bad assumption to lose it

-b

I can feel that, but we (Town, was Mini 2235) lost last time because a bad judgment was made involving ignoring mechanics that cost the game.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I won’t shoot either Jada or SM.

If bears are the elimination, the shot is in Wisdom, ssbm, Towelie.

Bears are an obvious elimination choice, I would rather shoot there and eliminate elsewhere. That’s just me.

Gamma is pretty close to confirmed due to the role block on that slot N1. Towelie is the deepest of deep wolves if scum. I would prefer Wisdom over all the other options presented, but I wouldn’t hate ssbm going down. Towelie absolutely only if there’s no other consensus. I refuse to shoot Jada or StrangeMatter, period. You don’t get confirmed vanilla deaths out of me in this setup at this gamestate, absolutely not.

yeah that was my b I forgot VFT flipped goon, I dont advocate confirmed vanilla shots

[ssbm_Kyouko]

i don't really have a solve that i don't have at least some kind of reservation against atm.

probably next step is to start re-isoing or some meta dives, not that that's my strong suit but i'm not sure where else to go other than just start flipping people

i don't really vibe w/ the sentiment that this is any kind of mechanical win yet though, even if we're ahead. only takes one bad assumption to lose it

-b

I also get this but like, it's not like were going to blindly eliminate anyone that isn't a confirmed VT in ELO, assuming following that strat takes us that far

[MUSHSHAGANA]

I think Jada clears bears on that VCA. I went back, judged it for myself, and that would have to be a planned launch that purposefully sacrificed the rest of the team to set it up. Dunn was under pressure, but VFT was in the free and clear at that point in D1... I don't think they launch a TSTBS bear-pair gamble on the back of their own busses that early, that feels dangerously close to skirting game-throw territory.

So I'm here: Wisdom, ssbm, Towelie. Which ones go?

[Towelie]

i'd elim ssbm over wisdom at this point. i think. mostly because i can feel wisdom taking the lead and trying to clear people this day.
even so this seems like a losing situation for any scum that isn't in the discovered VT/goons. We probably end up w/ a 3p that is Jada/SM/whomever we haven't eaten at that point if it's one of those two.

As of yesterday in-game I was pretty sure that the Dunn/VFT flips looked good for M&M like they are saying. It's still kinda tugging at me and it's definitely why i'm not in a hurry to rush the day.

-b

[Towelie]

i'm seriously starting to think the m&m elim is just wrong

we know if m&m is scum then at best they're a joat w/ a neighborizer in it
which is almost negative utility w/ gamma in the game and doesn't fix any perceived balance issues w/ there being too much town power or whatever

-b

[Towelie]

like i'm genuinely curious what else scum could have a one shot of that fixes that issue.

Not a ninja as there's no tracker/watcher
not a strongman probably or you don't get the indecisive modifier which is definitely there to be a check against perma protecting the same target (although seems circumventable by just...not claiming that, lol, but it's likely in the setup for a reason)

-b

[Towelie]

i'm also back to 'scum wisdom would have had a good opportunity to take TvT (would have to be if wisdom is scum) gamma/m&m D1 and just do any of encourage fight / push gamma / push m&m and decided to try to shut it down instead' which just seems like an ill advised strat as scum to me like in the hope of the payoff that i'm here D3 making this exact post?

-b

[Towelie]

noddy and i both think toog looks more like isekai (town) than this scumgame: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85951

so i don't fucking know

-b

[Wisdom]

b

are you some kind of ascetic?

winky face

i gotta admit this feels a little like they were excited they had something incriminating (like their action failed on us) and didn't notice the hood had opened.
which probably doesn't come from scum here.
blah.
i don't really have a good gut here atm.

-b

Disagree, maybe the "excitement" was eagerness to be confirmed as neighborizer

[Wisdom]

I won’t shoot either Jada or SM.

If bears are the elimination, the shot is in Wisdom, ssbm, Towelie.

Bears are an obvious elimination choice, I would rather shoot there and eliminate elsewhere. That’s just me.

Gamma is pretty close to confirmed due to the role block on that slot N1. Towelie is the deepest of deep wolves if scum. I would prefer Wisdom over all the other options presented, but I wouldn’t hate ssbm going down. Towelie absolutely only if there’s no other consensus. I refuse to shoot Jada or StrangeMatter, period. You don’t get confirmed vanilla deaths out of me in this setup at this gamestate, absolutely not.

yeah that was my b I forgot VFT flipped goon, I dont advocate confirmed vanilla shots

If mm is not scum then the last scum is vanilla unless towelie fakeclaimed which i doubt
So we're then starting to eliminate vanillas

[Wisdom]

I don't understand the doubts on the mm lim. it feels obvious to me

[Wisdom]

like i'm genuinely curious what else scum could have a one shot of that fixes that issue.

Not a ninja as there's no tracker/watcher
not a strongman probably or you don't get the indecisive modifier which is definitely there to be a check against perma protecting the same target (although seems circumventable by just...not claiming that, lol, but it's likely in the setup for a reason)

-b

A rolecop? A tracker? Something to help them find prs most likely

[Wisdom]

Why was the roleblocker gated to 2 shots if the other scum are vanilla
It doesnt feel right

[Wisdom]

If I were a cop and could check one person's alignment tonight, who should I check?

Who's scum?

These questions are empty and meaningless, meant to act like you're doing something when you're not.

"i'm around for 3 minutes and then i leave" kind of behavior

lol
just because Noraa doesn't sign doesn't mean I'm suddenly pooky

If that post wasn't pooky then it's even worse in my opinion.

VOTE: Milk & Mocha

This was done while dunn was still under heavy pressure, could easily be distancing

[Wisdom]

No I'm livewire

Hihi

Kyouko apparently flavor claimed upon her entrance
Imo makes her even more likely to be a vt who thinks flavor claiming is harmless

[Wisdom]

If I were a cop and could check one person's alignment tonight, who should I check?

Would be funny if they actually used a rolecop on n1

[Wisdom]

how did [a bear or another bear] get from "i'm sheeping LLD and i'm explicitly stating i haven't read anything" to "i have a legitimate scumread on dunn"

-b

Good observation

[Wisdom]

Mushy/Dunn/Gamma?

Rule of three
+ Trying to tie two townies to the currently pushed scum

[Wisdom]

Ok actually it won't be randomized. But it might be sort of meme-y. Ok its kind of hard to explain. We be flavored cop. Mountain dew flavored Jester cop.

Huh didn't remember this
Getting even more close to rolecop (:

[Wisdom]

Actually i misread that as flavor cop but yeah

[Wisdom]

Never claimed vanilla cop. Let's just say this is a town role. We could still exist with it which is why its absolutely stupid that this point is being brought up. It's forcing me to out info that I wasn't planning to out even by just saying this.

All this just to obscure an 1-shot neighborizer
sureee

[Wisdom]

Don't think critter's the play today.

we're at like 60% of a sync =/. mostly i don't know what i'm doing.

VOTE: m&m

-b

why mm now >.>
like i'm not complaining but i don't get what changed

Yeah mm, vft sure pushed you a lot

[Wisdom]

Yeah it’s 100% not critter

I do think it’s in (Dunn, Wisdom) 100% of the time here.

I still think last scum is that bad bad bear.

I've been pushing bears all game pretty much. You should vote for Wisdom if you believe this. Or we can ignore the hider stuff and just get bears today, I'd do that.

Dunn frustration about people including him in a team with mm after all the distancing effort