Catch-22 Mafia [The end?]

[Toogeloo]

Also a single use hider can exist in a game with a Town Bulletproof. That isn't game breaking in any way.

[Amrun]

Yeah, that too. I never saw a conflict there.

[SpyreX]

Hider hides behind BP, 2 "conf town" technically scum can't even win a 4.

And lots and lots and lots of things could make a shot not go.

[Amrun]

At that point - after mass claim and all the other scum deaths?

If something else stopped the shot from going, it was scum, and therefore the scum was not kuribo.

[Korlash]

I think the biggest thing was that he stopped the shot AND made his own kill. So jailkeeper wouldn't work, Nuwen's 'any number of things" wouldn't work, the ONLY scum role he could have been at that point from town's POV was redirector...

Then you have to weigh the BP claim to that idea, plus add in the proverbial innocent result from the dead cop. Yeah the BP claim wins out in this argument.

[kuribo]

But a tailor had already flipped that could have tampered with the cop results. That was what Zito and I had assumed, because we did target ludi tat night. And not one person ever mentioned that. Nuwen hit it right on the money: I was scum by play, and even before Amrun shot at me, it was circumstantial evidence I was town.

As I say, nuwen suiciding on me would have won thhe game for you guys. There was no way out for me except to get her lynched. So when everyone asumed she had used hher hide on chess (please note she never said this, and in fact had said her PM was the reason he was confirmed) I wasn't gonna dispute that and reveal that I had hammered her so she couldn't try.

[kuribo]

also mattp scared the hell out of us when he figured out the entire scumteam day 1

[Amrun]

Before I shot you, the evidence was circumstancial, yes, and I doubted it, yes - hence me shooting you.

Then, you lived and a kill still went through, so it became a whole different thing.

[Fate]

I've let the last scum action and shoot in many of my past games though.

[MattP]

also mattp scared the hell out of us when he figured out the entire scumteam day 1

Not kdowns

GODDAMNIT KDOWNS

[Toogeloo]

Hey Fate... you remember Stargate Mafia on Board 8? This game reminds me of that...

Now why does it remind me of that Fate?

[kdowns]

also mattp scared the hell out of us when he figured out the entire scumteam day 1

Not kdowns

GODDAMNIT KDOWNS

I'm a sly lurker. :3

[Fate]

Hey Fate... you remember Stargate Mafia on Board 8? This game reminds me of that...

Now why does it remind me of that Fate?

ITS GOT NOTHING TO DO...

WELL

BUT STILL
HE WAS A 1MAN FUCKIN SCUMTEAM FFS

[Katsuki]

I've let the last scum action and shoot in many of my past games though.

This isn't the problem with your setup you silly boy...

[Staeg]

That's not his point - it's the counterargument to the "BUT AMRUN SHOT HIM AND THERE WAS A KILL"

[Katsuki]

That's not his point - it's the counterargument to the "BUT AMRUN SHOT HIM AND THERE WAS A KILL"

What

That wasn't the problem.

The problem was BUT AMRUN SHOT HIM AND HE DIDN'T DIE

[Staeg]

Well, the problem was both of those.

[Katsuki]

Letting last scum action and kill is pretty standard.
Essentially having 2 bulletproof scum is not, however.

[Staeg]

I see two possible arguments:
Amrun shot kuribo, there was a kill, therefore kuribo is bulletproof town and someone else sent in the scumkill (the option of 1 action only).
Amrun shot kuribo, there was a kill AND THEREFORE KURIBO IS TOWN BECAUSE NO ROLE THAT COULD INTERFERE WITH AMRUN'S KILL COULD POSSIBLY EXIST AT THIS POINT IN TIME (the option where >1 action is allowed).

[kuribo]

I kept waiting and waiting for someone to say that maybe I had redirected Amrun's kill onto someone else, but it never came.

[Amrun]

That's the only possibility, and it didn't even occur to me. But that's not what happened, ofc.

[Staeg]

I see two possible arguments:
Amrun shot kuribo, there was a kill, therefore kuribo is bulletproof town and someone else sent in the scumkill (the option of 1 action only).
Amrun shot kuribo, there was a kill AND THEREFORE KURIBO IS TOWN BECAUSE NO ROLE THAT COULD INTERFERE WITH AMRUN'S KILL COULD POSSIBLY EXIST AT THIS POINT IN TIME (the option where >1 action is allowed).

That's the only possibility, and it didn't even occur to me. But that's not what happened, ofc.

???

[Fate]

*shrug* Mods do shit like "TWO DOCS YO" and anti-"guess the set-up" things all the time. It boiled down to you guys trusting "SETUP SPECLOLOL" over good old fashioned sheeping Nuwen and how she laid out how Kuribo was scum 6 ways to sunday

[Amrun]

@Staeg: I meant the redirector.

@Fate: Yeah, basically.

[SpyreX]

Fate wins gg