In post 2743, Aj The Epic wrote:Specific instances help a bit.In post 2740, zMuffinMan wrote:EVERYaj wrote:But show me such a blatant dismissal of a case where someone looks at it and goes "So you're policy lynching Rach?"
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Obviously I shifted my vote to andrius when there was no help. We had about 15 hours to deadline max and I was going to bed soon. There wasn't much time for me to make a final decision.
As for mala not feeling pressure, she was generally yelling at me for pressuring her. I doubt she figured I alone could do it (I can't, not enough votes), but I will get her lynched. Maybe she figured this. Have you seen Mala play as mafia before to know if she defends her scum buddies or not?
no this is town mastin
Slightly modified to reflect recent changes, but mostly in-tact from the original form of the post. Read it. Love it. Know that I'm right. Again, I can (and probably should) make cases on each of them. But other players have already done a lot of the work for me. Rach's iso is littered with condemning interactions, as is these players' interactions with her. There are cases strewn throughout the thread on nick (albeit not as inclusive as it should be), Malakittens, Andrius (albeit not much), and maybe even on BROseidon. (I'll have to create the Nacho case myself.) All I've got to do is basically compile what's already been said, along with my own commentary in addition to it, to help prove it.In post 1587, mastin2 wrote:Nachomamma8 is scum.
Him being a scumread is the entire reason I wanted to wait, because if I was wrong, I'd look like an idiot. However, the thought of him being a scumread came as early as my post where I did the nick-iso. (That bit at the end of my nick-iso post where I said READ REDACTED? That was a Nacho-scumread, off of nick's interactions with him.)
But, dang it, Nacho's posting here is dangerously-reminiscent of his posting during Buzzword Bingo. He didn't get into the initial pile of town, and has been fighting to recover from this setback in an eerily-similar manner. His posting's fairly light, both in amounts, and in actual content; he's NOT ACTUALLY PUSHING ANY OF HIS READS like I'd expect a town-Nacho to be doing.
But if that wasn't enough, there's his bad interactions.
These are examples of why a town-Nacho should be KEEPING his vote on Venmar. Instead, he changes to BROseidon, who he has no read on.That's all you have for me...?
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I'm willing to listen to your reads pretty strongly but you're ignoring me and not even trying to sell me on shit. Why is that?
832 seems like a post entirely composed of messages to scumbuddies. (With the possible exception of BRO, and obviously Desp who is town.)
His Andrius townread seems bad, as is his townread on Malakittens, when her posting hasn't been solid at all.
1485 also looks scum-motivated.
RachMarie is scum.
This was the scenario I was talking about. RachMarie can only be scum if Nacho is scum, because Rach's defense of Nacho and overall interactions with his slot tie her alignment to his. A RachMarie scumflip confirms Nacho as scum. In contrast, a Nacho townflip confirms RachMarie as town, and a Nacho scumflip confirms RachMarie as scum. I'm reasonably certain this is Nacho's scumgame.
Andrius is scum.
He has ties to Nacho. He has ties to nick. He has ties to Malakittens. He has ties to Rach.
nickthename is scum.
His immediate treatment of the Venmar claim, along with how he jumps off at the first chance possible. His treatment of nhammen (Malakittens) reinforces this.Distancing on Rach.nick wrote:Specifically, what are your feelings on Rach and Mastin?Nacho interaction.Hey, so nacho, I don't know if you've ever played in a game this big before, but with this many players you're not going to be able to get much out of voting someone without explaining it, even if a few people are already voting that person, because you just need so many votes to lynch. You need to explain your votes to try and get a bunch of other people to vote with you.
Also, in this game you can switch your vote without unvoting, but if varies from mod to mod so it's a good idea to check the rules first.
More defense of Malakittens's slot.Could you elaborate on your nhammen read? Nhammen feels pretty null to me.
But it's worst here:Rach at null, Nacho at Null and hinting at knowing Nacho better than his previous quote said, and Andrius at null. Without any commentary at all to go along with it.Rach- She's right up there with zMuffin as far as time since we last heard from her, and her play before didn't really give me much of an opinion on her.
Nacho- Not contributing much, but nacho never contributes much. Until something serious that he is forced to react to, I doubt I'll get much of a read here.
Andrius- His scumread on me feels forced, but his read of the game feels towny. Dunno, really.
Malakittens is scum.(TD had Venmar as scum.)MalaK wrote:I disagree with a majority of his posts especially on account to Venmar's role.(Interaction with Rach.)I want Rach to explain #66 in regards to MS claiming early in another game, tyvm.
Defense of Nacho, and buddying to Rach.I have seen town-Nacho lurk and I have seen him be lynched for it in a hydra. It's a null tell at best.Distancing to nick. (Which also doesn't mesh with her scumread on me.)Really Nick? Do you not like that Mollie and Fery are trying to communicate reads together. Does this make scum you not able to force fake scum reads and push their wagons?
BROseidon is someone I have my eye on.
He shares many of the same traits the above players have in their interactions between one another.
One of these reads is probably wrong.
They could be right, but that'd require six scum, when I think there's only five. Which is wrong, however, I can't tell, yet. (That's another reason I considered waiting.)
The purpose of this post is mainly to show the interactions between the scum.
Not the entirety of my cases against each player. There's plenty of individual not-tied-to-interactions reasons these players are my scumreads.
Skullduggery lacks these traits.
I see him as being set up as the scum mislynch for day one, especially if both Rach and Andrius are scum. They're not going to get a mislynch on me, after all, and thus, Skull presents the best opportunity to achieve a mislynch today. (FTL is another similar candidate.)
What should we be doing?
Expanding on the above, fleshing out my cases, examining these players in detail, and figuring out for sure if I'm right or wrong on these.
This is not a "too good to be true" scumteam pairing, nor is it too blatantly obvious.
If I thought it to be too good to be true, I'd know it wouldn't be true. But this is a relatively-simple (therefore not violating occam's razor) scumteam pairing that is juuuuuuuuust complicated enough where the scum could think they can get away with it.
I wasn't drawing any conclusions on the alignment of those players, just illustrating that the Rach wagon took so long to get to completion for a reason--because up to 6 of the available votes didn't want to lynch her for what was essentially a free pass D1.In post 2785, Aj The Epic wrote:6 of those quotes were notscience. Can't do much there. He's town, regardless of his views.
BnB didn't dismiss the case. They stated Rach to be lynchbait (as they've done with mala, which is completely wrong: She's scum)
FTL has some odd stance. Post one is a dismissal. Post two is his view on Andrius on the wagon (from what I've gathered) and three demonstrates the difference between his and MS' views. However, in that same post, he did run over everyone's content and some of the cases (I specifically remember Thez's) were talked about and made points of.
Venmar, however, in that one post, did completely dismiss it. But in reflection of Mastin's last post... Put simply, I REALLY want Mala first.
BnB (Mollie, actually): Mastin's town this game. You're going to have to do more than slap down a vote to start something on him.
Mala, that post doesn't feel fake or anything. Basically everyone besides TD seems to have BnB as some degree of a town read, so stop trying to buddy up to players. The last two posts have tried exactly that.
I wasn't drawing any conclusions on the alignment of those players, just illustrating that the Rach wagon took so long to get to completion for a reason--because up to 6 of the available votes didn't want to lynch her for what was essentially a free pass D1.In post 2785, Aj The Epic wrote:6 of those quotes were notscience. Can't do much there. He's town, regardless of his views.
BnB didn't dismiss the case. They stated Rach to be lynchbait (as they've done with mala, which is completely wrong: She's scum)
FTL has some odd stance. Post one is a dismissal. Post two is his view on Andrius on the wagon (from what I've gathered) and three demonstrates the difference between his and MS' views. However, in that same post, he did run over everyone's content and some of the cases (I specifically remember Thez's) were talked about and made points of.
Venmar, however, in that one post, did completely dismiss it. But in reflection of Mastin's last post... Put simply, I REALLY want Mala first.
BnB (Mollie, actually): Mastin's town this game. You're going to have to do more than slap down a vote to start something on him.
Mala, that post doesn't feel fake or anything. Basically everyone besides TD seems to have BnB as some degree of a town read, so stop trying to buddy up to players. The last two posts have tried exactly that.
It means different things coming from different people.In post 2789, Malakittens wrote:Thanks for already stating what I just did Nacho & AJ.
As a reminder, I expect 1-2 buddies to be in her townreads list, and one of them to be strong town.In post 1381, RachMarie wrote:1. Aj The Epic Probly town it feels like aj town rather than aj scum. but this one is a weaker town read.
2. Andrius Ehh the buddying with Nacho is normal for him, The reliance on Nacho vetting for him being town also normal, but his play just does not feel right here leaning scum, Andy can you provide me with some links to scum games you have completed thanks.
3. BeautyAndTheBeast (pirate mollie + Majiffy) I am definitely getting a towny read here.... Given more time will have a more solid read on them since I usually can catch Jiffy scum eventually, but in the town pile for now and mollie feels more like her towny self so yeah town.
4. BROseidon ehhh weak town read here mainly based on the stats, but he feels like hes genuinely scum hunting...
5. Desperado Confirmation Bias much there Des? Seriously dude have you even read any of my town games, weak scum read here. Seriously dude do your homework instead of just focusing on the low hanging fruit.
6. Faster Than Light (Varsoon + Metal Sonic) OMG head exploding here.... these two really need to get their hydra act together, nullish due to I see scummy MS and towny Var, need more congency from the slot tween these two to sort it out better.
7. Ghostlin Ehh feeling more like the town Ghosty here, but have not played as many games, could you provide me links of town and scum Ghosty? Thanks A couple of each is good enough.
8. Mac is Mac..... meh read atm but leaning to town... As he posts more will be able to solidify this.
9. mastin2 uhh WTF???? Brain is suffering from reading his ISO umm?? Need to reread it through.
10. Nachomamma8 What on earth NachoWhat do you mean by revenge? ehh that being said its a tad early to rule him out as town I think.... Leaning Town... B n B could you further elaborate why you see him as scum at this point besides the connection with Andy?
11. thezmon221 Nachopappa--- Dude is probably town though not sure why the hostility? I really am a sweet chickHowever his tunneling looks more town tunneling than scum tunneling.
12. Malakittens nhammen--- Need more time to sort Mala out, she is very good at hiding herself when she is scum Mala... Still sorting....
13. nickthename--- Not much experience with this dude, though he did very well as scum in a skype mafia game and I did not realize he was scum even in LYLO so watching this dude carefully.... Leaning town but watching....
14. notscience umm duh... Do I really need to say on this one
15. RachMarie Sweet as sugar and doing her best to keep up with ya all as you add another 20 pages uggh...
16. Skullduggery Um Skull needs to post a LOT MORE... Nullish, might be scum by PoE but its too soon to figure that out until we get some flips PoE does not do a lot.
17. Sound of Silence (fferyllt + GuyInFreezer) Prolific posters but most likely town.
18. TiphaineDeath Dude you tunnel way too much... Which is making me wonder since you were scum last time and doing this mega tunneling.... Could you provide me with links to a cple town and a cple scum games?
19. Trust Fund (Cabd + Syryana) hmmm mostly cabd here need more syr. Not seeing the usual trolling and goofy much from Syr... So yeah very weak town read here need more from Syr...
20. Venmar Dude what you smokin? Not sure what I have done to you
21. zMuffinMan Need to read some other games not played with this dude in completed games yet. Could you provide me with a cple town and a cple scum games thanks.
I know my reads suck there is obviously more scum out there than what I have, But at this point I have not yet been able to peg them yet. Part of this is due to the number of players I have here that I usually figure out they are scum after a few flips and them not being NKed at night (cough cough jiffy, nacho cough cough)...
I generally suck on D 1 and do better later in the game after I can put more of the pieces of the puzzle together.
I do trust Mollie and Jiffy though when they are town they are often right...
VOTE: Andy
BUDDY TELL DETECTED
No I didn't, Mala's reaction had already been discussed at length, Aj was asking for other people who felt similarily.In post 2795, BROseidon wrote:Desp you missed the part where Mala dismissed Thez's epic case with "lol PL."
Can we lynch Mala now?
You really aren't bothering to read my posts are you?mastin wrote:Wrong vote. You can't think all of {nick, MalaK, Nacho} are town, can you?
In post 2709, Andrius wrote:In post 2665, Andrius wrote:In post 2244, Andrius wrote:TOWN
AJ The Epic
BROseidon
Desperado
Ghostlin
Nachomamma8
Saki
mutleyddmc/skullduggery
LEANINGTOWN
FasterThanLight
mac
TiphaineDeath
zMuffinman
SCUM
mastin
RachMarie
TrustFund
nickthename
Venmar
NACHO, I LEAVE IT ALL TO YOU
BeautyandtheBeast
Malakittens
SoundofSilence
This is not a discussion.mastin wrote:Don't lynch Venmar, don't try to vig Venmar. He. is. town. Period. End of discussion. 'Kay?
Try again.mastin wrote: What does that leave?
{Andrius, BROseidon, Nachomamma8, Malakittens, nickthename}
Those five. I can equally guarantee all the remaining scum are in those. five. names.
Fucking thank you.