Titus/Espeonage Interactions That Look Bad:
i)
Titus wrote:Given how townsided most of the open setups can be, I bet practically no one preferred scum.
TSO wrote:So, you don't know if this set-up is townsided yet, but you don't think people would have picked scum in fear of it being townsided?
Titus wrote:@TSO, Use context please. The opens are townsided so I would be surprised if anyone picked scum in those games. It is too early to tell if this setup is townsided.
TSO wrote:But how is this fully open? It's semi-open at best.
Titus wrote:
Read my posts in their entirety again.
So this conversation is important for setup for a discussion later so I want to talk about it so what I'm saying is clear. Titus is saying that people probably didn't put in scum tokens into the open setups. TSO gets on her case, possibly on incorrect reasoning but that's not particularly important. What is important is that TSO thinks that Titus is being misleading with how she's talking here.
Titus follows up with TSO here, basically saying that she doesn't understand why he thinks she's lying for no reason:
Titus wrote:You think I lie for no reason???
And then Esp jumps on board and gets on Titus's case:
Espeonage wrote:Ok well I don't get an easy bane vote then.
But you're lies about bulba stand.
I think the fact that he's saying that she's lying about Bulba's meta is wayyyyyyyy too strong for someone who's only just started reading the game. The level of confidence that she's lying vs asking her why she has a different perception of Bulba's meta strikes me as distancing rather than someone trying to sort someone. There's also the use of the word 'lying' seems like more of a sheep of TSO saying there's a discrepancy in Titus's posting. It's even worse because there's no vote and he later starts nakedly townreading her with almost no significant interactions in between:
Espeonage wrote:Also Titus is probs town.
ii)
Titus wrote:Let's see here, since you're being an ass to me. The claws come out here.
Quote this god gamn case if you want me to read it. There have been multiple references to cases and evidence that people want me to rely on. Getting all hostile when I ask is antitown as best.
It also puts me in the state where I want to lynch you regardless of your alignment and rip your case to shreads.
Espeonage wrote:Calling paragraphs of case that I believe in and am copping flack for that I didn't even wright "evidence" is insulting. You got the claws out first honey.
Titus wrote:TTH's case is basically that he couldn't follow Marquis's train of thought. We looked at Marquis following that. Marquis frankly obvtowned himself during that discussion. TTH's case was worth investigating at the time, but Marquis wasn't actually scum. You seemingly have ignoredeverything that goes against your point Espy and are relying on one player misunderstanding one read.
Yeah, this vote is not moving.
Nothing about this back and forth reads as genuine to me. The "I'm getting the claws out" comment from Titus especially strikes me as being fake.
iii) Espeonage's lame Titus vote looks lazy as hell and like he doesn't actually have anything behind it.
Other unrelated points that I'm finding scummy about Titus and Espeonage:
i) Titus's stance on baneing Bulba just looks fake. I have a super hard time believing that she genuinely was okay with the bane on Bulba, regardless of whether she wanted to prove everyone wrong. She defended this by saying her team told her not to defend Bulba. She made a ton of posts saying she personally was okay with the baneing so this also just looks super fake to me.
ii) Espeonage claiming his detect on me could really easily come from a scumPOV. To put it simply, Espeonage knows that he's sketchy and people are suspicious of him. If someone traces him to me and he's unclaimed, then he's in fucking hot water. If he derpclaims it then no pressure anymore. I really don't trust that town Espeonage would claim his detect unless he was worried about himself. That mindset just seems more likely to come from scum who understands the situation he's in.
iii) Titus constantly calling ika town and all of the codestuff feels like she's trying to stay on ika's good side. I think she's paranoid of him and is trying to buddy up to him to try and keep him off her case.
iv) Another weird change from Espeonage:
Espeonage wrote:You self voting is a really bad sign though.
Espeonage wrote:Current List of people ok with being Booned: Marquis
And this is all within sixteen posts of each other and Marquis didn't even post once in between :/
v) Titus started trying to discredit Tammy the moment that she left the game. Looked and felt slimy.
vi) Espeonage ignoring Tammy's reasoning for why he should be listening to ffery over mollie for a read on her looks and feels slimy.
vii) Titus's reasons for scumreading TSO were bullshit.
Sorry. I know this is a lot of words, but I want to talk about this connection I'm seeing and I'm getting a little flustered trying to read other things while this is painting my perspective on the game so much.
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