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Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 3:57 am
by shos
too shallow, lol. read the game until your replaced in... T_T
Also I know I promised a full, real case against Tbone somewhen, but life doesn't quite let me, and when it does, I lack motivation. can you answer my question of why you suddenly 180ed into tbone being probtown?

pedit:
they would have CCed Tbone upon claim, man. no way.
and if there's a guilty on player X, and you lynch X, you don't get too much cred. you need to lynch scum withOUT guilty results on them to actually get it.

Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 3:57 am
by Wisdom
I have read everything, shos.

Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 3:59 am
by shos
I dunno wisdom. if you think I don't make sense - tell me where. I'm very convinced of this read.

I would be very convinced of NS too, if Grey didn't claim. the claim made me consider Greyscum, but I dropped that when continuing the read. if he does flip scum though, and NS is alive, that's gonna be a bitch.


pedit: you did?? so how comes you even say that????

Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 4:00 am
by Wisdom
And I don't care about seeing a case on Tbone. Everything will be confbias like it has been until now. You don't stop for a moment to realize that Tbone's play doesn't fucking make sense for scum.

Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 4:01 am
by Wisdom
You don't reevaluate shit, your reads have been sticky as hell since forever.. Yeah, you are scum.

Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 4:05 am
by shos
HOW DOES IT MAKE SENSE AS TOWN??????

Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 4:06 am
by Wisdom
It makes more sense as town than it makes as scum.

Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 4:11 am
by TierShift
I can buy shosscum actually, this staticness of reads is really awkward. Going to add that to my rereadlist.

Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, blocking rhinox is still a scumclaim and I do not understand why you are thinking otherwise. Currently speaking to my team about it.

Can you explain why you think bone is town?

Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 4:12 am
by Wisdom
Because I do not understand why scum would ask to be lynched. Also I do not understand why scum would claim something as scummy as blocking the dead.

Yes, all those are scummy things, but it makes far more sense to me that they came from a townie who's playing terribly than scum.

Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 4:49 am
by shos
Wisdom wrote:Because I do not understand why scum would ask to be lynched. Also I do not understand why scum would claim something as scummy as blocking the dead.

Yes, all those are scummy things, but it makes far more sense to me that they came from a townie who's playing terribly than scum.

Wisdom. I know that I am tunneling, but really, I have reasoning, it's not mindlessly.

I mean, if T-bone is scum, then it all makes some sense. but this is confbiasing and a logical faliure to say as a reason.
However. if T-bone was town, then it makes some sense too, I guess(It does't imo but it does in yours). but this includes the assumption that T-bone is just a really, terrible, townplayer. Liek, I would totally be offended if I were him. You are basically basing your read on the assumption that he sucks. I don't make that assumption.

if himscum makes sense to do these actions, ok.
if himtown makes sene to do these actions only if he's REALLY STUPID or just a superbad player - then no. I give him the credit for it.

what
town
player wants to be lynched? what town *PR* wants that?

Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 4:51 am
by Wisdom
shos wrote:Liek, I would totally be offended if I were him. You are basically basing your read on the assumption that he sucks. I don't make that assumption.

He said it himself he's having a terrible towngame so

Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 4:51 am
by Wisdom
shos wrote:if himscum makes sense to do these actions, ok.

It doesn't.

Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 4:52 am
by Wisdom
shos wrote:what town player wants to be lynched? what town *PR* wants that?

What scum player wants to be lynched?

Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 4:57 am
by shos
I'll give you this and I want your comment on this, Wisdom:

ISO T-bone. opened it? good. CTRL+F: "Rhi".

in ISO 66, post 1259, it's there.
in ISO 184, post 2448, it's there.

ISO "nox".
nope.


T-bone has not mentioned Rhinox a SINGLE TIME in over 1250 posts.
however..
T-Bone wrote:When confronted with the fact that I am probably wrong, I changed focus and I blocked Rhinox because I all but cleared two of my top scumreads, and he would have been playing a good scum game if scum.

T-Bone wrote:I blocked Rhinox last night because I was afraid my reads were way off this game.


I mean, I just can't see this as town. even in a bad game, nope.

I want your opinion on this.

Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 5:00 am
by Wisdom
No, it makes perfect sense. Paranoid of the most obvtown. If he was scum, he would be the one scum would send to do the kill.

Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 5:03 am
by shos
Wisdom wrote:
shos wrote:what town player wants to be lynched? what town *PR* wants that?

What scum player wants to be lynched?

he didn't vote himself, did he? didn't think so.

Stop for a moment. go back to daystart. what lynched would you say were viable?

me? nah.
you? nah.
reck? hmmm mebbe.
Grey? mebbe.
Rhinox? no way.
Iec? supermeh. unlikely.
ceph? eh...
NS? meh.....
T-bone? well....yeap.

Now, I'm not talking about reads here. I'm talking about VIABILITY. The chance that T-bone would live through this day, in my opinion, from anyone's PoV at daystart - were almost nonexistent. SO slim. solution? bus. it's that easy. if I were with him in the scumteam - I would try to lead town, make full cases, invest as much as I can in making that lynch happen - becuase it will, and I want the towncred. What T-bone responds with? it doesn't matter; cross-bus is a legit option I'd guess, but so is everything else. it just doesn't matter.

Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 5:04 am
by shos
Wisdom wrote:No, it makes perfect sense. Paranoid of the most obvtown. If he was scum, he would be the one scum would send to do the kill.

OR YOU ARE BLOCKING THE MOST OBVTOWN PLAYER.

who makes choices like that without being sure?!?!?

Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 5:04 am
by Wisdom
Nobody wanted tbone lynched other than you, that's another forced conclusion.

Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 5:05 am
by Wisdom
shos wrote:who makes choices like that without being sure?!?!?

Lots of people.

Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 5:08 am
by shos
I'm not sure you're right. I think you're not.
which other lynches were truly viable, in your opinion?

Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 5:08 am
by Wisdom
Every lynch was just as viable

Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 5:09 am
by Wisdom
And still is, other than ns

Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 5:30 am
by shos
We'll have to agree to disagree. meanwhile, I'll need to think who is scum with, considering ICE's claim.

Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 5:31 am
by Wisdom
You, ceph and iecerint

Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 5:41 am
by shos
I'm going to go with {T-bone, Reck, Tier} maybe, and in this order of scummy-to-not.
I'm pretty convinced that GreyICE is town, and thereby, NS is town. pretty sure you are town too, and carrying the ceph townread from early game, it's PoE.