Less fine with a Flea vote, but seems "ok" (if it's a consensus)
A50 is probably bellow Titus/Flea in priority, so he's not going to happen anyways.
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:29 pm
by clidd
Actually, it would make more sense for town!Flea to see Vfp as town, but with an incorrect read on fae. I don't get the vote on him. If it's between Titus and Vfp for faer, Titus is clearly the more scummy side, not Vfp.
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:30 pm
by clidd
It could be coming from scum who's just reacting to the fos, or town selfish about the premise of preference between Vfp/Titus that didn't like the idea of being suspected by Vfp.
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:36 pm
by LlamaFluff
Just a warning due to an absurd number of work commitments for tomorrow good chance I disappear for next day and a half or so.
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:47 pm
by clidd
No problem ^
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:18 pm
by clidd
It's kind of funny because Vfp said a lot of things and Flea's reaction was just "ok, cool, but I'm not townreading the effort. What's your progression on my slot?"
A not very smart reaction for scum!Flea, although fae didn't have much of a choice at this point (since recognizing Vfp's reasoning process as towny, with scum!Flea vs town!Vfp as real, could sound like a potential scumclaim/perspective slip).
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:19 pm
by clidd
But like I said before, my read on Flea was "foolish town", so that would still be in the range of stubbornness that I imagine would be possible for town!Flea.
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:39 pm
by clidd
Bussing today would also be good in a Flea + Titus scenario, but perhaps with Vfp consistently advocating for a solve with both of them, endgame would become impossible for scum!Flea, so fae would need to look for alternative frictions, such as the speculation of A50 as a potential scum, the discussion with Vfp (as well as the inclusion of him in faer scumpool) and the lack of a clear position on which exactly is faer solve (since this allows flexibility). A pocket on me would be interesting, but scum!Flea would also be aware that I tend to reevaluate my reads overnight, so I would probably break free eventually, even though the attempt would be valid.
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:40 pm
by clidd
All of this speculating if scum!Flea=real, of course.
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:52 pm
by clidd
Alternatively, town!Flea could just be playing faer game and be confused about Gera's scumflip and my protective conduct around faer wagon yesterday, something that could have affected faer judgment today (especially with fae considering Vfp>Titus in scum index terms).
The argument about a50 with Vfp could be a simple disagreement (which would be correct in a Titus + A50 solve).
In post 2750, VFP wrote:You look desperate at this point Flea! Just take the lim with dignity!
Whatever you're adding to your tea, can I have some?
If you wanna yeet me, yeet me. I know what position I'm in. A50 claimed block when surely one of the PRs should've been blocked previously and claimed it.
You might want some more tinfoil VFP, you raisin my suspicions rn
VOTE: VFP Let stay in the nominated pool, shall we?
Regardless of these theories, the point of most relevance is the vote on Vfp instead of staying on Titus. The interpretation of the motivation (and truthfulness or not of the reaction) that led Flea to act in this way is basically the answer to faer alignment.
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:13 pm
by clidd
And no, don't ask me because I don't know. Many mix feelings there.
In any case, Titus stills more likely scum to me atm, and she's in both Titus + A50 and Titus + Flea solve scenarios, while Flea is just in one (I don't see Flea + A50 working tbh), which is why I want Titus.
But I wouldn't mind doing Flea today if that's what will bring more info to the game.
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:24 pm
by clidd
In post 2725, RLotus wrote:Flea flipping town clears clidd and VFP in my mind. Clidd and VFP's effort to switch the wagon from flea to partner geraintm does not make sense to me, unless flea is also scum.
So that only leaves Titus + A50 as the possible team.
And if Flea flips scum, then we hit scum. So I think I like Flea today the most.
Actually, I quite like this idea (thinking about it again).
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:30 pm
by clidd
Spoiler:
In post 2260, RLotus wrote:Well VFP just feels obvtown at this point. At least how he feels about the game is clicking with how I feel about the game, it doesn't feel town is in control at all.
Similar with clidd actually, his confusion is very much justified I feel.
Basically I'm sensing a lot of false confidence and that does not feel right from my view of the game.
I had a gut feeling at the start of the day of clidd being scum, but re-reading him I think I'm willing to take him as town. Plus, it was in part because I thought he had partner potential with Pooky.
In post 2261, RLotus wrote:It is indeed strange that Llama is declaring himself conf town when he should know that is not the case.
Also strange that Llama omitted geraintm from the pool of people that A50 should check. Geraintm is in no way obvious town at this point.
Another thing is giving A50 a choice of check these people or we are killing you tomorrow is complete bullshit, especially if we miss today. We are going to evaluate his play as a whole rather than him making a wrong check makes him conf scum and decide from there.
In post 2262, RLotus wrote:And why has no one pointed out that A50's claim just fits nicely with the other PRs? Gretchen and DGB had roles that sort of mirror each other and A50 and Biped have roles that mirror each other.
Sure I guess A50 could have just made a claim that looks nice. But he got pretty lucky calling me practically clear and then a role that indeed practically clears me is the convenient one to claim.
Let's compare Pooky and A50's claims.
Solon says I am practically clear or something to that effect. Goes on to claim gunsmith. Checks out.
Dann says DGB is 90% scum. Goes on to claim Neapolitan. Smells like bullshit.
Maybe I'm wrong, but if one of the PRs is scum my money is on Pooky.
In post 2263, RLotus wrote:And you know what, if I am remembering correctly, people reading A50 scummy started for his lack of activity and it has snowballed into him pretty much being the accepted scum out of the PRs. I don't know about you guys, but reading someone for his lack of activity does not give me confidence.
Something definitely smells funny coming from that direction.
In post 2262, RLotus wrote:Dann says DGB is 90% scum. Goes on to claim Neapolitan. Smells like bullshit.
Dann is not playing anymore.
I am playing.
I said DGB is town
you didn't listen to me and you elimmed DGB
now you are trying to blame me for you making a shitty vote and elimming DGB.
You're literally ridiculous
You are being so dense about this I am not going to argue with you about it anymore
In post 2271, RLotus wrote:Idk how many times I have to say it it has nothing to do with you voting or not voting DGB, it's the confidence Dann had about DGB's slot based on his night result and the fact that his confidence doesn't line up with what the role is.
I understand that it is frustrating to be read for what your predecessor did, but nonetheless we must evaluate your slot as a whole.
In post 2278, RLotus wrote:I just cannot place this 13 year seasoned veteran Pooky who throws a tantrum at the slighest nudge. This doesn't make sense to me as a genuine reaction. I think I'm just gonna park my vote here for now. My preferred kills atm are Pooky or Flea, anyway
VOTE: Pooky
In post 2281, RLotus wrote:Like I get the irrationality does line up with the frustration which has made me hesitate, but these outbursts don't strike me as town whatsoever. Maybe I should look at some of his past games to see if this is typical.
In post 2292, RLotus wrote:It would track DGB to the night kill specifically, which I presume would give Dann more confidence than merely knowing they are not VT
In post 2296, RLotus wrote:UNVOTE:
he did in fact know that dgb visited the night kill
This sequence is +town for Lotus ^
Probably just town too.
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:31 pm
by clidd
So yeah, sounds like a good plan.
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:41 pm
by clidd
Hum. There are things I want to reread before voting (after resting).
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:51 pm
by VFP
In post 2773, RLotus wrote:Scum could have a JOAT with one roleblock or something
Or maybe the rber targeted gretchen night 1
No, not the Novice Detective.
Maybe a JOAT. I don't know.
Something tells me that it's still just Flea + Titus though.
Why does A50 put a buddy to E1 when they just haven't posted anyway?
Scum Titus never tries to lim Gera here and lose the day talk. It's a huge tool for scum to lose and I feel like people are ignoring that Gera was important to be alive.
Yesterday's situation of course keeping a RB alive over day talk is better but standardly I'd always sacrifice scum PR to keep day talk.
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:57 pm
by RLotus
Oh yeah I forgot gretchen claimed she was novice
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:02 pm
by RLotus
If I were in Flea's shoes and if they are town, I'd be convinced it was A50 + me or Titus, so I'd be going after A50 today. Could be a difference in perspective, idk.
What I'm seeing from Flea rn appears to be a survival effort rather than a solving effort.
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:31 pm
by Flea The Magician
In post 2793, RLotus wrote:If I were in Flea's shoes and if they are town, I'd be convinced it was A50 + me or Titus, so I'd be going after A50 today. Could be a difference in perspective, idk.
What I'm seeing from Flea rn appears to be a survival effort rather than a solving effort.
*Points at accusations towards Titus and VFP based on currently incompleteVCA*
*Points at suspicions on A50*
*Points at you with your greenlight from A50*
My solve is in {VFP/Titus} and possibly {A50} - I need to work out which is more likely, like I said, I'm leaning Titus. VFP's post barrage stinks of "well this fits my agenda". A50s RB seems rather convenient.
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:39 pm
by Flea The Magician
In post 2791, VFP wrote:
Scum Titus never tries to lim Gera here and lose the day talk. It's a huge tool for scum to lose and I feel like people are ignoring that Gera was important to be alive.
Yesterday's situation of course keeping a RB alive over day talk is better but standardly I'd always sacrifice scum PR to keep day talk.
Your pools are me and titus based on this, VFP's wifom drops them in the pool, VFP also stinks of agenda, waiting on some titus input before I lock in.
Hey VFP, why were you so passive about my "inevitable elimination" yesterday and yet today you're gunnin for blood?
