...Do you have reason to believe that morph's claim can't be true? or what?
Like three of them.
And one of them is "Immune to Stat Changes, but only if scum target you?!?!"
Like that is such a bullshit claim? Like, for real.
It reads like the kind of nonsense Cabd invents
*grabs popcorn*
This looks like it's gunna be fun...
In post 2029, Something_Smart wrote:My townread on Guillotina is primarily based on 1859. 1850 was a potential townslip, but an easy dumbtell for scum to fake. But after people called it out as being wrong, he totally missed what people were saying and doubled down on the dumbtell. I think that it's unlikely that scum-Guillotina thinks to do that, regardless of what his personality is like.
Honestly, a dumbtell from Guill is probably NAI at best.
Looking at the posts, I am not seeing this slip at all and just Guill being Guill, honestly. Making several assumptions and seeing what people think.
My answer to #1859 is "absolutely."
In post 2031, Artemiana wrote:I probably won't expand on any of my opinions for a couple of days
In post 2072, Titus wrote:I feel for LLD as Arte is pretty blatantly obvscum and the first scum we get to wagon. If this is a dual aligned gambit, it'll be exposed soon enough.
I find it pretty scummy to even use a debuff n0 as you're likely not hitting scum.
Still, I don't see morph faking an inno day 1. If it is scum fuckery, they have to do what LLD did in that game with fake masons and shit.
Spoiler: I've suffered enough, in this ghost town.
In post 2101, Something_Smart wrote:Observing that he can say that as scum, while technically true, misses the point.
The point is that in my experience that isn't a common line of reasoning for scum to think about. Taken at face value, it's pointless; scum don't need to talk about what happens after their town flip because that will never happen. That means that it's easy for scum to miss that when trying to decide how to appear town. Whereas, town think of that very readily, because they care a lot about evaluating the people pushing them and it matters to them what happens after they die, if they do die.
There seems to be some misconception that scum have more trouble faking posts that require more effort which leads naturally to this effort = town paradigm that gets the low-content players mis-executed game after game. I'm not saying Ircher is necessarily town, but it seems to me that he's being pushed mostly for being low-content rather than actually scummy, even if he is in fact scum.
Just sayin I am all the proof you need that effort=/=town.
In post 2124, White Fire wrote:we need a town leader to step up. this ircher wagon is trash.
someone gather the masses and lead us to a glorious wagon.
i would do it but i don't have the pull yet until i gain levels and can put more points in charisma
Skyrim solution: Keep Trying.
Sims solution: Talk nonsense into a mirror.
Best solution: Find a way to increase your roll. I had a Genius train my Sin Eater to lie and gained 2 points in Subterfuge. Helped by the Genius having a specialisation in Blatent Lies.
...Do you have reason to believe that morph's claim can't be true? or what?
Like three of them.
And one of them is "Immune to Stat Changes, but only if scum target you?!?!"
Like that is such a bullshit claim? Like, for real.
It reads like the kind of nonsense Cabd invents
*grabs popcorn*
This looks like it's gunna be fun...
In post 2029, Something_Smart wrote:My townread on Guillotina is primarily based on 1859. 1850 was a potential townslip, but an easy dumbtell for scum to fake. But after people called it out as being wrong, he totally missed what people were saying and doubled down on the dumbtell. I think that it's unlikely that scum-Guillotina thinks to do that, regardless of what his personality is like.
Honestly, a dumbtell from Guill is probably NAI at best.
Looking at the posts, I am not seeing this slip at all and just Guill being Guill, honestly. Making several assumptions and seeing what people think.
My answer to #1859 is "absolutely."
In post 2031, Artemiana wrote:I probably won't expand on any of my opinions for a couple of days
In post 2072, Titus wrote:I feel for LLD as Arte is pretty blatantly obvscum and the first scum we get to wagon. If this is a dual aligned gambit, it'll be exposed soon enough.
I find it pretty scummy to even use a debuff n0 as you're likely not hitting scum.
Still, I don't see morph faking an inno day 1. If it is scum fuckery, they have to do what LLD did in that game with fake masons and shit.
Spoiler: I've suffered enough, in this ghost town.
In post 2101, Something_Smart wrote:Observing that he can say that as scum, while technically true, misses the point.
The point is that in my experience that isn't a common line of reasoning for scum to think about. Taken at face value, it's pointless; scum don't need to talk about what happens after their town flip because that will never happen. That means that it's easy for scum to miss that when trying to decide how to appear town. Whereas, town think of that very readily, because they care a lot about evaluating the people pushing them and it matters to them what happens after they die, if they do die.
There seems to be some misconception that scum have more trouble faking posts that require more effort which leads naturally to this effort = town paradigm that gets the low-content players mis-executed game after game. I'm not saying Ircher is necessarily town, but it seems to me that he's being pushed mostly for being low-content rather than actually scummy, even if he is in fact scum.
Just sayin I am all the proof you need that effort=/=town.
In post 2124, White Fire wrote:we need a town leader to step up. this ircher wagon is trash.
someone gather the masses and lead us to a glorious wagon.
i would do it but i don't have the pull yet until i gain levels and can put more points in charisma
Skyrim solution: Keep Trying.
Sims solution: Talk nonsense into a mirror.
Best solution: Find a way to increase your roll. I had a Genius train my Sin Eater to lie and gained 2 points in Subterfuge. Helped by the Genius having a specialisation in Blatent Lies.
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:11 am
by Flea The Magician
I hate when that happens.
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:40 am
by Titus
LLD is my spirit animal.
VOTE: anya
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:47 am
by Flea The Magician
Eugh I'm going to need to ISO read guill.. progression is weird as fuck.
@Flea Yesterday you townread me pre-TMI accusation and town leaned post-TMI accusation, refer to my “dumb tells” as NAI and now you say that my progression is weird as fuck, how come you didnt think it was weird as fuck yesterday?
@Artemiana just because Bingle is confirmed town it does not mean he has good reads or that he is qualified to be a town leader. Your suggestion that we should blindly follow Bingle because he is confirmed town is questionable.
@everyone I can compromise with a vote in my scumreads. I'd rather they were Flea, but i'd vote Sigmund too. The fact that he called me wolfboy when i was pushing him for TMI and then he is using my TMI accusation on Flea to defend himself, instead of explaining himself why he scumreads Flea and is voting for Flea plus his entire irritation and fluff play during this game keeps bothering.
I individually scumread both Sigmund and Flea, im just having a hard time putting them together as a possible team now, unless that moment right there was not an instigation but rather Flea distancing from Sigmund and a pocket attempt on me.
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:56 am
by Chara
anya has more content than that one post. it's all dressed up in the strange language but she hasn't been doing nothing all day.
i don't think LLD is scum, though.
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:57 am
by Something_Smart
In post 2749, Bingle wrote:I'd be comfortable treating this game entirely like a smalltown, where we just ignore roleclaims.
Well, even if all claims are NAI, there are still some roles you would want to keep alive because they're valuable. But I can get behind this.
With a few of those votes being moved, faer would no longer be the largest wagon
I wouldn't vote Anya for reasons. That being said, i don't know the player, i don't think i can read her properly, and i don't think it would be particularly valuable info compared to the alternatives.
i'm here re: anya too.
like, i would vote her to avoid a no-elim, but it's the same as voting a null read.
pedit: i can get behind anything that isn't "have three players claim to settle which one to elim".
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:59 am
by Something_Smart
In post 2755, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Like I'm really not interested in doing any of Ircher Sigmund or Flea today. They're all bad wagons.
What about STD? He just kinda dropped off of everyone's radar.
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:00 am
by Something_Smart
In post 2772, Anya wrote:she's not pushing me for a single good reason her push on bingles failed bc it was on confirmed town and now she's trying again on me
Why does LLD-scum start an eleventh hour wagon against you instead of pushing through an existing one?
With a few of those votes being moved, faer would no longer be the largest wagon
I wouldn't vote Anya for reasons. That being said, i don't know the player, i don't think i can read her properly, and i don't think it would be particularly valuable info compared to the alternatives.
i'm here re: anya too.
like, i would vote her to avoid a no-elim, but it's the same as voting a null read.
pedit: i can get behind anything that isn't "have three players claim to settle which one to elim".
I have seen nothing from anya that makes me think they're >rand scum. And this wagon stinks of a scum driven counter wagon.
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:02 am
by Chara
i wish i knew the counts, my vote would be on whichever of Sigmund or Flea is higher.
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:02 am
by Thestatusquo
Bingle did a unofficial vc a couple of pages back.
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:03 am
by Something_Smart
In post 2789, Thestatusquo wrote:I have seen nothing from anya that makes me think they're >rand scum. And this wagon stinks of a scum driven counter wagon.
Same question I just asked Anya to you. If LLD is scum pushing a counterwagon, why does she start a completely new wagon instead of pushing an existing one?
In post 1189, Thestatusquo wrote:I would say this game suffers from a lack of sheep. Not in the sense that there's too many people trying to lead but more in the sense that no one is following and they're not proposing alternate ideas either.
I am a great sheep i just dont have a lock town read
he feels zombielike right like he's wrapped up in bandages so he doesn't fall apart but still tries to wear normal clothes over them to fit into society
In post 1574, Anya wrote:artemania looks like an eager adventurer trying to find a homely party and dungeons to loot i like the spirit
In post 1657, Anya wrote:VOTE: whemestar transcribes text but i have no idea why he transcribes what he does
In post 1662, Anya wrote:1508 reads too strong for a previously naked vote which is where the annoyance should've been placed looks like he's up on the stage
also it could be a wolf trying to look intimidating to another wolf so we don't think think they're actually best buds but he's overdoing it
like i don't care if you don't like the content but anya's ISO
has
content.
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:06 am
by Something_Smart
Calling some of those posts content is... generous.
Should be 8 on flea not 7. Forgot to update the number.
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:09 am
by notscience
VOTE: flea
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:09 am
by Chara
it's content. anya posts in a strange way like that. that doesn't mean she isn't calling Fark scum for posting in a dead sort of way in 1321. and 1662 8 don't need to explain.
like even if you don't think it's good content i think LLD's claim that the post morph quoted is anya's only hunting post is just not right.
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:11 am
by Thestatusquo
I liked fleas most recent posts a decent amount and I still don't like a single thing sigmund has done all game.
