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I've read 90% of the thread and will be posting reads and stuff this afternoon. Would prefer that nobody hammer until I can post.

Never mind, I finally noticed that bacde is a double voter and this is twilight. I'm going to post what I have now, in case I die during the night. This is a (somewhat rushed) rough draft of what I was going to post, so some of it isn't as developed as I wanted.



Messiah is town because of his claim, catching Slandaar, blah blah blah.

Viomi is also town. Posts 2452, 2453, 2489, 2622, 2624, 2627, and 2628 are a town replacement who genuinely did not feel like reading the thread, or scum trying to make people think that. (Scum Viomi would probably know who she replaced.) I've looked through Viomi's meta (and Chrimi's) and do not feel like this is how she plays as scum. Also, if she is scum, it's either with bork or Slandaar. The ANG / bork interaction does not look scummy to me (I've read the case for that, but I disagree) and Viomi / Slandaar requires heavy bussing from both parties, which I do not buy.

Knights of Cydonia / his replacement is town. In order for KoC to be scum, he would need to have said to himself "wow, Majiffy just ragequit and was at L-1 in a few hours, " His ragequit post was also 100% accurate, so... coming from a player who has been so completely reasonable the entire game, I would say he is town. (I guess we'll find out soon, though.)

The Goat looks townish to me. I agree with Messiah in post 1189. I don't feel strongly about this read, however.



I see why majiffy et al were on qwints, but I'd like to know if people agree with this

In post 2603, Angelious Nero wrote:I'm not a big fan of the Qwints wagon 'cause he always plays like this regardless.

because this is not my own meta-impression of qwints but I don't have much experience with him. Could you guys elaborate on this and say specifically what you think qwints is doing that he always does, comment on his IIoA, etc.

I strongly dislike Ms Marangal's early game attack on Goat and her "claim" in 664, 668 looks like some bullshit.

Angelious Nero's case on Mac is unusually weak and seems to be based on a misunderstanding. Nero's had opportunity to realize it was a misunderstanding and is still pushing it, so this looks weird. My impression of Nero is that he pushes hard on particular players he wants dead, but he usually has much clearer reasoning (even when I disagree with it). I also don't like the early game "oh I'm so bored and didn't want to play this game anyway" lurking.



Mac (Nero's specific case is weak, but I need to read Mac's ISO more to know if there's something else there)
DGB/CryoNudist (if scum, probably with bork due to interaction with Slandaar)
Guile (also more likely connection with bork due to Slandaar's hydra confusion)
bacde

These players are null either because they haven't posted much content (and I haven't had time to do relational analysis) or because I just didn't get a chance to ISO them yet. Will develop these reads more tomorrow if I'm still around.

yeah 'cause Mac going from "ok, I see your reason for suspecting me" to yelling and pissing blood that I have "no case" on him is a total town reaction.

And expecting me to trust what he says is just pants on head. It wouldn't be the first time I've suspected scum and had my case shot down.

In post 2789, The Goat wrote:And JFC, the more I read this game, the more I think Bacde needs to be dead.

Bacde, if you're playing a "too openly scummy to actually be scum" gambit, you're doing it spectacularly.

I'm actually playing a "too openly scummy to actually be scum" gambit as town

lol I wanna see you respond to this post

for now

KoC is at L-1 (with my double vote)

so he should claim

In post 2801, Rubicon wrote:Never mind, I finally noticed that bacde is a double voter and this is twilight. I'm going to post what I have now, in case I die during the night. This is a (somewhat rushed) rough draft of what I was going to post, so some of it isn't as developed as I wanted.

Town reads

Messiah is town because of his claim, catching Slandaar, blah blah blah.

Viomi is also town. Posts 2452, 2453, 2489, 2622, 2624, 2627, and 2628 are

either

a town replacement who genuinely did not feel like reading the thread, or scum trying to make people think that. (Scum Viomi would probably know who she replaced.) I've looked through Viomi's meta (and Chrimi's) and do not feel like this is how she plays as scum. Also, if she is scum, it's either with bork or Slandaar. The ANG / bork interaction does not look scummy to me (I've read the case for that, but I disagree) and Viomi / Slandaar requires heavy bussing from both parties, which I do not buy.

Knights of Cydonia / his replacement is town. In order for KoC to be scum, he would need to have said to himself "wow, Majiffy just ragequit and was at L-1 in a few hours,

I should totally do the same, what could go wrong?

" His ragequit post was also 100% accurate, so... coming from a player who has been so completely reasonable the entire game, I would say he is town. (I guess we'll find out soon, though.)

The Goat looks townish to me. I agree with Messiah in post 1189. I don't feel strongly about this read, however.

Scum reads

I see why majiffy et al were on qwints, but I'd like to know if people agree with this

In post 2603, Angelious Nero wrote:I'm not a big fan of the Qwints wagon 'cause he always plays like this regardless.

because this is not my own meta-impression of qwints but I don't have much experience with him. Could you guys elaborate on this and say specifically what you think qwints is doing that he always does, comment on his IIoA, etc.

I strongly dislike Ms Marangal's early game attack on Goat and her "claim" in 664, 668 looks like some bullshit.

Angelious Nero's case on Mac is unusually weak and seems to be based on a misunderstanding. Nero's had opportunity to realize it was a misunderstanding and is still pushing it, so this looks weird. My impression of Nero is that he pushes hard on particular players he wants dead, but he usually has much clearer reasoning (even when I disagree with it). I also don't like the early game "oh I'm so bored and didn't want to play this game anyway" lurking.

Null reads

Mac (Nero's specific case is weak, but I need to read Mac's ISO more to know if there's something else there)
DGB/CryoNudist (if scum, probably with bork due to interaction with Slandaar)
Guile (also more likely connection with bork due to Slandaar's hydra confusion)
bacde

These players are null either because they haven't posted much content (and I haven't had time to do relational analysis) or because I just didn't get a chance to ISO them yet. Will develop these reads more tomorrow if I'm still around.

we aren't in twilight fyi

In post 2791, DrippingGoofball wrote:I just iso'd Bacde and I have a infallible read that he's town.

I'm a way better mislynch, I want your vote back.

I'm having a hard time believing that you have any "infallible" way to read me

Here's why your case is shit Nero, and why you should probably try and get someone else lynched. It's not hard to take a bunch of out-of-context quotes and make a case and said "LOL OBVSCUM."

In post 45, borkjerfkin wrote:Seems more likely for town to do that than for scum (who would already know) to do that.

In post 49, Mac wrote:

In post 45, borkjerfkin wrote:Seems

more likely

for town to do that than for scum (who would already know) to do that.

I found it quite the opposite if I'm honest,

*more likely*

scum questioning what scum would be to appear more town.

Pedit: Yeah I know, I glossed over the ninja posts by accident.

Missed out a couple of words. SUE ME Why the fucking fuck would I lock into a scumread of page two. Somewhere in your ISO there is a quote saying my vote/'scumread' on GiF was distancing scum which is cleaaaarly bullshit because GiF/buldermar flipped town; instead, you decided to say that is was me and bork who are the scum since bork is confscum.

In post 54, AngryPidgeon wrote:I kind of like that Fitz vote.

@Mac: Ok, but if scum are doing it to appear more town then you are admitting that it is something town is also likely to do. Ergo, its a null tell. So why would he be scummy for it exactly?

In post 60, Mac wrote:

In post 54, AngryPidgeon wrote:I kind of like that Fitz vote.

@Mac: Ok, but if scum are doing it to appear more town then you are admitting that it is something town is also likely to do. Ergo, its a null tell. So why would he be scummy for it exactly?

I don't think town would make that posts though. I think it's pretty obvious Locust's are the bad guys from the flavor.

So here in out-of-contexts-quotes-from-Neroville he says I'm saying GiF is scum because town wouldn't make that kind of posts. WRONG. on two different levels. Level one; AP says town would make those posts too based on my reasoning. I say I don't think they would because Locust's are obvscum in the game. Level two; - not "town wouldn't make those posts, GIF IS SCUM!" as Nero is probably trying to paint this as.

In post 364, Mac wrote:Hey, I just realised that I've completely disregarded some pressure towards me because I asked bork why GIF is town.

I'm not sure how Nero has come to the conclusion that me and ANG will be partners should he flip scum. I mean, really? I asked why bork called GIF town based on #33 (and glossed over ninja posts in the process) and then thought, if anything, it was more likely to be a scum move.

See quote three: more likely to be a scum move. As opposed to a town move that bork was calling it. NOT "omgscumlynch."

2. More context, yay

In post 905, Mac wrote:

In post 857, Ms Marangal wrote:Mac, it's mostly PoE, and the fact that I feel that the quietest people are probably scum.

KoC is still scummier then you though, and so is GIF.

I feel that GIF is trying to keep from saying anything to productive, and KoC is trying to be productive to hide his scumminess.

just a quick question here: you have went through everyone and, by PoE, found me to be scum? this makes no sense.

you call me quiet and yet there are loads less quiet than me. you have a weak as fuck reason for calling me scum here. I'm glad you aren't pushing it.

not sure about KoC, but I kinda agree with you about GIF. the locust thing early on also sticks out in my mind too. there's another reason that I'd rather not say too

VOTE: GuyInFreezer

In post 909, Mac wrote:

In post 908, GuyInFreezer wrote:@Mac: Why would you hide that "another reason" ?

From scum.

In post 913, Mac wrote:ISO Ms. Marangal's posts GIF, and you'll see why I voted you and why you shouldn't be voting Ms. M right now.

Ms. M softclaims
GIF votes her despite this
I vote GIF for this; he admits skimreading and not noticing.

Hey that wasn't hard. That's why I voted GiF and this is why it has everything to do with Ms. M. None of this "lol slipped the other team" shit you're pulling from your ass.

3. Yeah but I explained the part of the case and why it was a mistake on mine and yours and you continued to push for my lynch. I wanted to see more reasoning but as it happens, it's still shit. The last bunch of posts from you have revolved around me and maybe, , you should think about how bad your case is and who is actually scum in this game.

In post 2754, Angelious Nero wrote:

In post 2737, Colonel Guile wrote:Read posts #52, #107 (seems unaligned with bork) and #2455 (seems town-motivated) for starters.

cool beans. You know there's two scum teams, right? Ok so you've (in your mind) cleared him from one team...so why don't you think he could be a member of the other team? Are you red scum and know that he's not on your team/he's on your team and you're defending him? 'Cause that's kind of what it sounds like to me.

+ I think 107 might actually be a link to Bork scum. Like lets say if I got lynched, my town flip would show them (the players) that my reads were genuine. If a player were smart enough to go back and look at my reads and they saw Mac was a scum read.

For why Mac is a scum read for me. I think that he heavily implied that GIF was a scum read early on and then kinda backtracks when he says "oh but if I really though he was scum I would have pushed he/she/it." Which I think is a load of bullshit 'cause if he was scum then of course he wouldn't push hard unless he had considerable support.

Then in 903 he's back harping on the GIF/locust thing. There's also this.

In post 905, Mac wrote:there's another reason that I'd rather not say too

Which maybe him knowing that there were two teams and he thought that GIF slipped one team.

AND now, despite the fact that I've been calling him scum since day 1 AND knew why I thought he was scummy/what [part of] the case on him was he's all the sudden yelling that I have no case on him. So why did he not really seem to care much about my scumread on him to suddenly pissing blood? The way it looks to me is that, the game is getting smaller and there's not as many players he can kick a mislynch too, so I could see a scummer, with one man down with not as much mislynch bait around him, being worried.

Why not go ahead and gimmie your top 4 scum reads and why.

Yawn. Going to address the one part of your post which I actually care about here. You think scumBork would ask people for reasons why scumbuddyMac is town? Yeah right. He'd shut up and let them think that. Fortunately, I am not scum.

Tl;dr: This hydra is likely red scum. You heard it here first.

^^I've seen scums ask towns why their buddies look town all the time

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Mac is like really defensive here. I'll be posting here in a bit about why I still suspect Mac. Though even if Mac is scum (which I believe) then there are still going to be like 3 more scum and Gullie/MS seems like two good candidates. Goat? maybe, the random.org tell is pretty old...would he really use it? DGB, qwints and viomi all seem like just random shots in the dark. Messiah and KOC seem ok. Which leaves Rubi and Bcade and I don't particulary like either slot.

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Mac is like really defensive here. I'll be posting here in a bit about why I still suspect Mac. Though even if Mac is scum (which I believe) then there are still going to be like 3 more scum and Gullie/MS seems like two good candidates. Goat? maybe, the random.org tell is pretty old...would he really use it? DGB, qwints and viomi all seem like just random shots in the dark. Messiah and KOC seem ok. Which leaves Rubi and Bcade and I don't particulary like either slot.

In post 2806, Bacde wrote:

In post 2791, DrippingGoofball wrote:I just iso'd Bacde and I have a infallible read that he's town.

I'm a way better mislynch, I want your vote back.

I'm having a hard time believing that you have any "infallible" way to read me

It's very new.

Rubicon's read list looks like typical scum BS, but what do I know, I'm new here.

I disagree with the above ^

Hard town read coming from Rubicon.

Bacde hammer the shit out of that scum already.

In post 2813, Viomi wrote:I disagree with the above ^

I read it again to make sure I wasn't cranky, and it's more scum now than when I first read it. That post of read is textbook scum BS reads.

Just ISO Nero:

No mentions of bork/Mac team, but GIF/Mac - he tries to play off early posts as distancing. Buldermar (GIF) flips town and bork confscum at night and suddenly he starts trying to link me & bork through some rubbish quote bork said.

KOC & Rubicon are scum.

I agree that Angelious Nero MAY be scum.

In post 2812, DrippingGoofball wrote:Rubicon's read list looks like typical scum BS, but what do I know, I'm new here.

This head agrees with this.

Out of the three town reads, only the messiah read is logical. Thinking KOC is town for rage quiting, does not compute.
His scum reads are bland and weak.
Null reads are null.

one of the hardest things for scum to do when they replace into a game is to fake a scum read on somebody.

In post 2795, DrippingGoofball wrote:KOC & Rubicon are almost guaranteed RED bus'ing scum.

At least one of them

is red scum. Maybe both.

That's some serious bussing. Do you think the Slandaar lynch happens without Majiffy?

In post 2807, Mac wrote:why you should probably try and get someone else lynched.

Why only probably?

Why the fucking fuck would I lock into a scumread of page two.

Why wouldn’t you? Someone says or does something suspicious/scummy, why does it matter what page its on?

Also

In post 692, Mac wrote: It was not intended to be a direct accusation of GIF being scum on page two, more a

scumread

But I also don’t see a difference between “I have a scumread on this slot” and “I’m scum reading them but not calling them scum.’ FFS!!! In my mind scumread=scum accusation and this whole “I have a scum read on this slot but...but...I’m not ready to commit" looks like a fence sitter. And for someone that you supposedly weren’t calling scum you were quick to hop back on it in 905.

Somewhere in your ISO there is a quote saying my vote/'scumread' on GiF was distancing scum which is cleaaaarly bullshit because GiF/buldermar flipped town; instead, you decided to say that is was me and bork who are the scum since bork is confscum.

Of course it’s “bullshit” ‘cause his slot is flipped town. Sometimes scum do RVS their buddies and the fact that you were heavily implying that you read GIF as scum and didn’t switch your RVS vote, I just couldn’t help but wonder.

In post 2816, Mac wrote:Just ISO Nero:

No mentions of bork/Mac team, but GIF/Mac - he tries to play off early posts as distancing. Buldermar (GIF) flips town and bork confscum at night and suddenly he starts trying to link me & bork through some rubbish quote bork said.

This looks very much like a scum post. Seriously, that's just how you play the game. If you think one thing and it turns out to be wrong then you pick yourself up and move on. Town don't know the motivations and relationships between players so this whole "GAH, YOU CAN'T ATTACK ME WITH NEW INFORMATION!!!" just seems like scum upset/an attempt to discredit i.e; “You were wrong once so you can’t be right this time.”

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but if I'm scummy for this then why ignore 2808 where Bcade pretty much follows my logic about post 107? Do you think he's scum echoing me here or what?

In post 2807, Mac wrote:Ms. M softclaims
GIF votes her despite this
I vote GIF for this; he admits skimreading and not noticing.

So why not just say "oh I don't like GIF voting for MS." ?

but I kinda agree with you about GIF. the locust thing early on also sticks out in my mind too. there's another reason that I'd rather not say too.

reason why you were voting GIF.

ISO Ms. Marangal's posts GIF, and you'll see why I voted you and why you shouldn't be voting Ms. M right now.

Though disclosing [part of] your reasoning for why you were voting GIF and then more or less telling GIF “you shouldn’t be voting MS but I’m not going to tell you why” seems particularly obtuse. And since you were

Do you have a town read on MS?

Why have you still not given your top 4 scum reads?

In post 2807, Mac wrote:why you should probably try and get someone else lynched.

Why only probably?

Why the fucking fuck would I lock into a scumread of page two.

Why wouldn’t you? Someone says or does something suspicious/scummy, why does it matter what page its on?

Also

In post 692, Mac wrote: It was not intended to be a direct accusation of GIF being scum on page two, more a

scumread

But I also don’t see a difference between “I have a scumread on this slot” and “I’m scum reading them but not calling them scum.’ FFS!!! In my mind scumread=scum accusation and this whole “I have a scum read on this slot but...but...I’m not ready to commit" looks like a fence sitter. And for someone that you supposedly weren’t calling scum you were quick to hop back on it in 905.

Somewhere in your ISO there is a quote saying my vote/'scumread' on GiF was distancing scum which is cleaaaarly bullshit because GiF/buldermar flipped town; instead, you decided to say that is was me and bork who are the scum since bork is confscum.

Of course it’s “bullshit” ‘cause his slot is flipped town. Sometimes scum do RVS their buddies and the fact that you were heavily implying that you read GIF as scum and didn’t switch your RVS vote, I just couldn’t help but wonder.

In post 2816, Mac wrote:Just ISO Nero:

No mentions of bork/Mac team, but GIF/Mac - he tries to play off early posts as distancing. Buldermar (GIF) flips town and bork confscum at night and suddenly he starts trying to link me & bork through some rubbish quote bork said.

This looks very much like a scum post. Seriously, that's just how you play the game. If you think one thing and it turns out to be wrong then you pick yourself up and move on. Town don't know the motivations and relationships between players so this whole "GAH, YOU CAN'T ATTACK ME WITH NEW INFORMATION!!!" just seems like scum upset/an attempt to discredit i.e; “You were wrong once so you can’t be right this time.”

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but if I'm scummy for this then why ignore 2808 where Bcade pretty much follows my logic about post 107? Do you think he's scum echoing me here or what?

In post 2807, Mac wrote:Ms. M softclaims
GIF votes her despite this
I vote GIF for this; he admits skimreading and not noticing.

So why not just say "oh I don't like GIF voting for MS." ?

but I kinda agree with you about GIF. the locust thing early on also sticks out in my mind too. there's another reason that I'd rather not say too.

reason why you were voting GIF.

ISO Ms. Marangal's posts GIF, and you'll see why I voted you and why you shouldn't be voting Ms. M right now.

Though disclosing [part of] your reasoning for why you were voting GIF and then more or less telling GIF “you shouldn’t be voting MS but I’m not going to tell you why” seems particularly obtuse. And since you were

Do you have a town read on MS?

Why have you still not given your top 4 scum reads?

I'm thinkin about the hammer

when you gonna pound it?

when you gonna pound it?

...

I'm thinkin about the hammer

when you gonna pound it?

when you gonna pound it?

In post 2819, qwints wrote:

In post 2795, DrippingGoofball wrote:KOC & Rubicon are almost guaranteed RED bus'ing scum.

At least one of them

is red scum. Maybe both.

That's some serious bussing. Do you think the Slandaar lynch happens without Majiffy?

It is what it is. You think Majiffy is beneath "serious bus'ing?"

Pound it!

Pound it!