↑Randomnamechange wrote:It's weird how my scumreads are being NKed but my townreads are being lynched.
You were scumreading AJ?
Speakin gof night kills
What is up with them ? I mean we had 2 kills night 1
2 kills night 2 with one being a different kill from one of the night 1 kills
and now we have 1 kills ?
Huh I don't understand this. Did I miss something somewhere about where the night kills have come from.
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:28 pm
by Varsoon
VOTE: random midget
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:28 pm
by T S O
I have wrote out at least two posts about how hamstrung I am with regards to lurkers, but it's not worth it. Peregrine, MOHIS, inte, TWIE, IAI - some are scum, some aren't. How the fuck am I meant to decide?
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:29 pm
by T S O
Varsoon's just not playing either. If you are the Vig, which is the only possible explanation for you to be town - rolling Vig doesn't merit you doing fucking nothing at all.
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:31 pm
by T S O
It's the moderator's job to enforce activity. When Peregrine jumps into the thread and posts his fifth prod dodge/VLA/whatever, it's not fucking good enough to shrug your shoulders and say that he has posted. In effect, he has not.
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:32 pm
by T S O
My reads have been very bad this game. I've been really awful this game.
Last time, in YCBA III, we lynched scum on d3, d4 and d5, but it was all for naught because the only town players left alive were the mentally deficient and the lurkers. I can't do anything about the former, but I certainly can try to have an effect on the latter.
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:33 pm
by T S O
Which is why I'm voting IAI. He's likely a better vote than Peregrine for scum among the lurkers. If he's town, then he'll end up costing us the game in LyLo anyway, so it's all the same.
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:35 pm
by T S O
I want to reiterate again that I want an inte modkill. I think this is a fair request.
↑Randomnamechange wrote:It's weird how my scumreads are being NKed but my townreads are being lynched.
You were scumreading AJ?
Speakin gof night kills
What is up with them ? I mean we had 2 kills night 1
2 kills night 2 with one being a different kill from one of the night 1 kills
and now we have 1 kills ?
Just read back and noticed the kill flavors. I didn't even realize that before. Hopefully my bad luck with sks ends here.
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:37 pm
by T S O
I propose that we carry out a Wisdom of the Crowds-style request for a modkill on inte. I think Jason could be amenable to this. If you support this, say so. If not, I would dearly love to hear why.
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:38 pm
by T S O
Yes, Garmr, this post applies to you.
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:55 pm
by Extrapolated Eagle
↑T S O wrote:I want to reiterate again that I want an inte modkill. I think this is a fair request.
I'll second this.
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:56 pm
by Garmr
I think force replacements for inactive players would be better I was never a fan of wotc.
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:56 pm
by Randomnamechange
A replace might be better but I'm ok with a modkill.
- I strongly disagree with the MOHIS read. Note how TWIE mentiones the grapes kill with a town read that he never projected in thread. This to me reads like inconsistent play or trying to grab credit with a read that somehow materialized postmortem. The one thing that makes me less confident in this being scum is the tone of TWIE's posts.
VOTE: MOHIS
You're probably not going to like my hard town read on you either, but I have one.
↑Elyse wrote:No idea why Titus and TSO are still alive, especially cause Titus is conftown, but if I'm wrong on them then gg. I don't feel like going down that road right now.
If it was known for the Doc Gwen would hide behind Alchemist.
↑Garmr wrote:There is a even simpler explanation she didn't hide behind and changed her mind at the last minute.
Or this.
Garmr looks town.
↑Passionate Storm wrote:TSO town
Shiro town
Elyse probably town
Garmr town
EE will depend on who he pushes today
Random errant and inte are good votes same with PV
Answers, in order.
Why?
I want to see something from her.
Yes.
Yes.
Exactly.
Random: good idea. Errant: need to think about it. PV = Peregrinev?
- Obviously DS didn't think PS was town. Perhaps a reevaluation of D2 needs to be made, but I personally believe that scum would do more in the name of indirect framing rather than the outright if-he's-town-i'll-eat-my-hat attitude that PS took. I don't think a town read is set in stone, but either way, I'm leaning towards town for PS, tentatively.
– we should think they're town. Getting close to LyLo we might change our minds.
Garmr
- 1405 summarizes Garmr's early D1 play pretty well. I think that ultimately that early play comes from a town frame of mind. The fact that garmr pushes eagle over the much easier DS lynch D2 solidifies my townread on Garmr.
– Townread.
I Am Innocent
- Drags feet on the Alch lynch, doesnt have any counterpush. Of course this is likely due to inactivity, but I'm not going to write it off as a town move. It could be scum that's behind and not wanting to incriminate himself with any particular strong stances. It could be town that legitimately has no strong stances. Either way, this slot is not someone we can have in a LYLO situation.
– Concerned about them.
inte
- Again, not a slot we can have in a LYLO situation.
– Is he in the game? Interesting.
PeregrineV
- Same as inte.
– Is he in the game? Interesting.
TheWayItEnds
- I strongly disagree with the MOHIS read. Note how TWIE mentiones the grapes kill with a town read that he never projected in thread. This to me reads like inconsistent play or trying to grab credit with a read that somehow materialized postmortem. The one thing that makes me less confident in this being scum is the tone of TWIE's posts.
– I need to think about him. Again.
T S O
- Fuck it. Town.
– Why?
Shiro
- I want Shiro's post Alchemist wagons. I'm taking note of the fact that Alchemist was almost certainly a Klingon counterwagon and Shiro opening up that possibility. But overall, consistent play.
– I need to see *something*. Consistency can be scumtell too.
My Other Head Is Scum
- Constantly questions own townreads. I don't like that because it comes without a push. That policy request I'm going to write off as non-indicative, but I think it's fake.
– Hmm-hmmm................
Extrapolated Eagle
- EE's consistent attempts to interact with a scumread of his (me) mean one of two things. 1) He isn't afraid to go toe to toe with someone he scumreads rather than just pushing the lynch. 2) His play is pretty consistent. If scum, then good scum. But I think town.
– Aha yup.
Aneninen
- The clotilde gambit ultimately seems to me like a town-motivated move. Other posts seem town.
– Why is he here?
randomidget
- Was on the attempted Spifflop counterwagon. Was a klingon straggler. Play seems ultimately very reactive under pressure. What I do like is wagon analysis on alch, pointing out that alch is the klingon counterwagon. I wholeheartedly agree with that, it might be the keystone to my current gameview. Ultimately I believe scum.
– Agreed.
Errantparabola
- I've lived with this person for many a year. Smells bad.
– the question is, fishy-smell or not.
Elyse
- D1 play is good. I don't feel as confident with Elyse's D2 play but I can't really pinpoint anything that sets me off. Elyse is someone I'd consider voting but ultimately a null read, simply because I don't feel comfortable with saying she is town.
– I do. For now.
Varsoon
- Isn't really a presence in this game. Has been on all the lynching wagons. Needs to do more.
– Where is he?
VOTE: MOHIS
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:12 pm
by Aneninen
↑Shiro wrote:I am pissed off at myself, I was really really fucking certain that alchemist would flip scum.
Need a pigeon?
↑Shiro wrote:I don't know what to assume anymore. I mean since now I know that alchemist was a counterwagon on Kling. And that grapes and I are town, then one of anen or eagle are possibly scum but I am townreading both of them so I am unsure of it.
Give a readlist. You have 27 hours.
↑Randomnamechange wrote:Can I just point out I've never expressed any scum leanings on alch. It didn't just start yesterday for towncred.
Eeiieieiefffffffzzzzzzzzzzzzt.
[A well-known Vogonian expression for pigeon poop.]
↑T S O wrote:I propose that we carry out a Wisdom of the Crowds-style request for a modkill on inte. I think Jason could be amenable to this. If you support this, say so. If not, I would dearly love to hear why.
Wouldn't it be better if he got force-replaced?
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:15 pm
by Aneninen
Players I'm still interested in.
↑Aneninen wrote:
I don't get why we townread these players:
PeregrineV (no content, jumping on the wagon)
Errantparabola (active as a pron diva elsewhere, doing nothing here)
My Other Head Is Scum (Just why?! Especially after that hammer)
TWIE (Needs to be sorted out, as soon as it's possible!)
These players' Twilight reactions seem to be fake as Mystique:
TSO ("rather grudgingly accept Anen's response"... No town or scumread on me? okay, in his case I'm simply paranoid.)
Extrapolated Eagle (2691, 2694, 2709... ohshyt, basically everything here!)
My Other Head Is Scum (that "yell at me tomorrow")
Randomidget (his "sorry", eh. I still think he's scum.)
Varsoon REALLY NEEDS to tell us everything he knows. I'm interested in his relationship with Elyse too.
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:40 pm
by Shiro
@Anen
Ps Town I refuse to believe she would bus kling like that just because spiff was pushing her hard.
TSO I read his play as town but I am wary because he told me in greatest idea that if his reads are bad he tends to be scum.
Anen you seem town enough. Dunno why scum would do this weird clotilde thing
Eagle lean town. Don't see anything scummy in his iso although his defense of Ds might have been wking for cred
Errant I dunno. When I think of him I have no read
Random though he was scum but not sure anymore. Partially because his defense of alch seemed honest.
Inte lurking black hole of death that might be town cause he was town once with the same behaviour
Mohis I will stand NY my verdict that they are scum. Neither of the plays like that as town.
Elyse could be scum based on PoE.
Pv is another black hole of the void
Varsoon I read his idgf as lean town but I could be wrong.
Twie or w.e the name is Same as Varsoon.
Based on who was on the first alchemist wagon I get the feel that one of you and eagle are scum. Would lean eagle for it.
↑Aneninen wrote:
I don't get why we townread these players:
PeregrineV (no content, jumping on the wagon)
Errantparabola (active as a pron diva elsewhere, doing nothing here)
My Other Head Is Scum (Just why?! Especially after that hammer)
TWIE (Needs to be sorted out, as soon as it's possible!)
These players' Twilight reactions seem to be fake as Mystique:
TSO ("rather grudgingly accept Anen's response"... No town or scumread on me? okay, in his case I'm simply paranoid.)
Extrapolated Eagle (2691, 2694, 2709... ohshyt, basically everything here!)
My Other Head Is Scum (that "yell at me tomorrow")
Randomidget (his "sorry", eh. I still think he's scum.)
Varsoon REALLY NEEDS to tell us everything he knows. I'm interested in his relationship with Elyse too.
I don't understand what the comment on me means.
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:02 am
by T S O
I am going to back Jemima and call Peregrine town for the rest of the game unless I have a specific reason not to do so.
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:03 am
by T S O
I am uncomfortable with all the townreads Garmr has garnered - I cannot say I am convinced he is scum, but I remember being burned by him in YCBA III, where he bussed like a monster.