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↑ True Ogre wrote:My initial thoughts on Cakez is fairly obvious given what I've already claimed and goes to the nature of my own result. Which is why I don't really want to talk about it and I thought you'd be clever enough to pick up on it.

I'm drawing a blank on it right now, but I'll think on it later and maybe I'll be cleverer then.

↑ True Ogre wrote:Regarding Skybird being lynch-bait - I thought I had an almost-sure thing in pistachion being scum. Therefore I was reading into associatives too much especially regarding an Amihan/Marquis connection. When that was proven false I reverted to being a bit concerned and then had a read of the follow-ups she decided to post back to me. I'm not sold on her town but I think I have a town-tickle there.

This makes sense to me.

↑ Axelrod wrote:This is a little similar to Cakes post, but not as bad.

Expressing surprise at a kill is fine. But Cakez floating the idea of a tictac wagon yesterday and then using a dead!Spiffeh as a reason to instantly wagon tictac is not so fine.

↑ Axelrod wrote:Opinion of Skybird plummeting.

I am also not a fan of TicTac so far.

What bothered you about that Skybird post? The implication seemed to be that you thought she was scummier because she didn't understand why you were voting dram and that implication, if true, is a crappy one.

Also wondering what's bothering you about Tictac.

↑ SirCakez wrote:K time to analyze that crappy Pist wagon.

↑ Axelrod wrote:All right

*cracks knuckles*

Let's see what there is to see.

↑ Friendless Seniors wrote:tictac/pied piper make the most sense as scum there, I'd think

VOTE: pipes. really clumsy wagon handling

My initial wagon was to attack Cakez some more for even caring about that wagon in particular, but now I find myself confused that so many people suddenly decided that yes, wagon analysis for this wagon would be a good idea. Someone who was a town read for many claimed an investigative result on the miller who hasn't done anything. The people who voted were likely the people who were around and who read the post; I'm pretty sure Marquis didn't but he's having fun with his Skybird thing and I'm pretty sure that Cakez didn't for god knows what reason.

Why was this wagon the wagon?

↑ Marquis wrote:Also, why are you so... serious? I don't think there's anything helpful in that comment to Mirhawk; it just feels unnecessarily rude. But then you made a snarky comment to me so at least I know you have a sense of humor, if reserved for yourself.

I liked this post!

And I liked it not that I thought the point was fabulous or anything but because I don't think that is how Marquis as scum approaches True Ogre. I think that as town he sometimes has the tendency to push on things that most people wouldn't focus on whereas as scum he's far more image-conscious and tends to try to curb that tendency; this is one of those weird town Marquis things.

I saw Axelrod's wagon analysis but only skimmed his Ranger wagon analysis stuff. Unfortunately, I only realized that he was doing Ranger wagon analysis (and not pistachi0n wagon analysis) when I hit vote #5, so will probably do his posting a little more justice in the morning.

↑ SirCakez wrote:Because literally the only thing she did was pop in, unvote and leave. No comment at all on Pist being IC or how shifty that wagon was.

↑ SirCakez wrote:Like with words! Not just unvoting.

This is another Cake push that I don't really like.

↑ davesaz wrote:So I got a question for you. Your "result" was that she "wasn't miller". So you got "innocent child" as a result? And this was something to wagon? I'm trying to figure out a non-bastard way you could receive that result and have it lead you to believe it was worth a vote.

True Ogre is smart enough where, as town, he wouldn't push a player in the way that he did unless the result very strongly pointed to scum. He's also smart enough where, as scum, he wouldn't do something as monumentally stupid as faking an investigative result in order to mislynch pistachi0n would have to be.

↑ Mirhawk wrote:Eh that's acceptable. Truth be told that's what I thought you would say anyways.

Why was that acceptable? The only reason you had a more significant response than Skybird did is because you were questioned and I know that you don't see any legitimate point in Cakez's "skybird didn't use words to describe why she was leaving the wagon even though it was self-evident!" point.

↑ Sakura Hana wrote:Like seriously, this is the second time you mis represent my actions based on events that are going on which should speak for themselves.

This is... weird.
I don't think Axelrod's "how do we know you read Spiffeh's ISO" was a good one, but Axelrod didn't misrepresent you and it wasn't immediately obvious you agreed with Spiffeh's case when you didn't say anything about it.

↑ dramonic wrote:SpyreX sure.

I miss Spyspy

↑ True Ogre wrote:I'll put it this way Ploti. I'm not townreading your slot. And I probably should be given Ranger's reads. I'm back to several superpositions regarding Seniors/Mirhawk. On Cakez - I don't get the cases so far but on the other hand he hasn't done anything I feel advances himself today aside from the initial vote out of the gate.

Do you see perspective on Cakez a little more now? I understand that it's probably annoying to follow my reasoning through quote stripe walls but it's the only thing that I can do to catch up and read things properly.

↑ Mirhawk wrote:No, it's gotta be rolecop. I'm betting Pistachions role (miller+IC) has a nonstandard name.

Why?
Granted, this looks town as fuck but why?

↑ Friendless Seniors wrote:I am REALLY worried about you saying this, plot.

Why?

↑ Cerberus v666 wrote:

↑ itlepip wrote:I think cerb's last post was him being scared of my read on him so he is already discrediting it.

YES! That's the spirit pip! You channel all that beeboy slot aggression into tunneling me, and I'll either ignore you or start playing mafia properly!

I like this post far more than I should.
I got all perky and excited when True Ogre started attacking me, probably partly because I thought it would be the foothold into the game that I was missing before.

I'm too tired to read things but I've skimmed up to 113 and I've seen a bunch of votes on Cakez and that makes me feel warm and fuzzy.



True Ogre, this is your answer.

I'll respond to all that in the morning, that was Nacho I assume though?

Yep!

Although you don't really need to respond to all of that, the parts that are particularly important to me involve your opening to the day (what happened to Ranger lynch bringing a bunch of information and why did you follow Spiffeh in the way that you did), what your Skybird vote was about because it sucked, and what your response to the pistachi0n wagon was about. You said you missed the claim investigative result and that's good and well but I don't understand why you didn't say anything about the pistachi0n wagon while it was happening if you thought it was such a piece of shit wagon.

↑ The Pied Piper wrote:1) When were in the middle of saying that you knew Ranger was town but you couldn't stop her lynch, you also said that her lynch would break the game open in terms of reads. What did you mean and why wasn't there followup on it today?

This is also an excellent point. What information do you have from the Ranger lynch?

Out all day today. Possibly tomorrow too. I wouldn't even be posting this except that Rob is positively draconian with the prods.

↑ The Pied Piper wrote:

-snip-

↑ Mirhawk wrote:I still kind of think Seniors is town.

You're probably right. I don't think your wagon analysis piece was going to result in anything productive;

two town counter wagons doesn't really mean much with how the scum team was behaving.

-snip-

↑ SirCakez wrote:Why is this game dead all of a sudden
Spiffeh y did you have to die with your great activity ugh
For the tictac case - just look at his posts on the last page and tell me that's not scum.

While I'll commend Cakez if he's scum here because this post is pretty decently ballsy, this post also feels pretty incredibly fake. As I've said before, I don't mind when people read into dead town's reads and all that good stuff but following them blindly when you didn't really follow the player that closely the day before is pretty fucking iffy, and these sorts of "I'll miss you Spiffeh!" posts never really ring true to me.

What do you mean by the bolded PP? How do you know how the scum team was behaving?

In the second part of the quote, I agree with the "I'll miss you Spiffeh" sentiment ringing false. Put this quote along with the "I tried to save you Ranger" quote from Cakez and he just feels incredibly scummy today.

I'm caught back up now and I think it's time to vote.

VOTE: Sir Cakez

my response to nacho will be delayed
am pretty busy today
2810 is gross sheeping though

First of all many apologies to everyone.
But it turns out the fever i've been experienced is caused by me getting hit by Chikungunya virus again, just like last year, and from memory that last one had a duration of a month, i know it's also possible for it to go away in a few weeks but it's been noted to last multiple months as well, and as a result i can't promise when i'll be able to come back and i can't focus on mafia related stuff with this going on, so i think the fairest course of action is for me to replace out and come back to play mafia games once im fully recovered.

↑ Sakura Hana wrote:First of all many apologies to everyone.
But it turns out the fever i've been experienced is caused by me getting hit by Chikungunya virus again, just like last year, and from memory that last one had a duration of a month, i know it's also possible for it to go away in a few weeks but it's been noted to last multiple months as well, and as a result i can't promise when i'll be able to come back and i can't focus on mafia related stuff with this going on, so i think the fairest course of action is for me to replace out and come back to play mafia games once im fully recovered.

@Mod: Taking the above in mind please replace me out

Feel better Sakura.

Good morning Cakez!

I didn't think my questions were probing and in depth enough where you need a concerted block of time to respond to them, but maybe I'm just getting impatient in my old age

Cerb, everything okay with you?

I'm on mobile so writing a response more then a few lines has to wait :/

↑ itlepip wrote:Sorry Dram but Axel has some decent posts, case pls?

↑ podoboq wrote:Then Ranger flipped, you were a high scum read, and I consider you the most likely scum of her top three. Me voting for you is evidence of her flip affecting my read.

Ranger was scumreading Seniors more than me.
Spif was convinced (by Seniors )to vote me but continued to push Ranger he did so. I don't think that scumread was very serious.
Spif also scumread Cakez, but ya don't seem to have any problem voting the same as him.
Ya voted me after Cakez did and your reasoning seems to be 'other people seem to think this is a good idea', emphasis on Cakez (only name mentioned in 2458).
So yeah, I see ya following Cakez, not seeing the deadtown sheep.

I wanted Cakez to case you because 1) I'm a bit lazy, and 2) I don't know that Cakez is town, and I wanted to see him make a solid case. If he couldn't do it (which he did), then it gives me more reason to suspect him. It was a chance to get a better read on Cakez, so I took it.

What parts of the case did you agree with? Did you read my defense? What did ya think of it? Still think the case is solid?

Doing your thing now Nacho!
I'll just respond to your last post since you said that's all you wanted a response to.

If I had to consolidate, it'd be on VOTE: Axel for his posts reeking of effort concealing motivation.

Not the biggest fan of my wagonmates but I'm not too fond of the other wagons.

Still mostly V/LA; will get access again later tonight.

↑ SirCakez wrote:
Also this is super sketchy
Has an apparent townread on me then immediately votes me as soon as the IC votes me

Calling 2677 a townread on you is strechy. It's pretty clear that I was conflicted about you. Specifically said that misrep & stretching isn't null. Did you think I was townreading those?
The vote was cause you apparently not knowing about my pist read bothered me,so I did an ISO to see if it was plausible.
Found you questioning the read yesterday so didn't think it was.

I also notice that ya made no comment on the point while defending against everyone else.
Also asked clarification on one of the points on the case

↑ tictac wrote:

Then 1603 is yet another bad wall with a sheeping Seniors vote at the end. Develops a random Ranger scumread here with no explanation.

That's a post by Spif. What post are you referring to here?

Ya didn't answer, nor did ya comment on the defense very much at all. 2672 is the only thing I can find.
Why are ya focusing on self-defense instead on me?

OK, so I've been mostly skimming for the last week or so because my semester is ending really abruptly and chaotically. I haven't had a lot of time to devote to the game, and I apologize for that, but it WILL change soon, and I refuse to replace out. We're sticking the course.

UNVOTE:

No longer confident in my townread on Cakez. I re-reviewed his case against tictac, and while I find tictac's response completely lacking, I think the case is lacking as well. Cakez should have focused on some points where he didn't, and put too much weight on other things which I considered kind of irrelevant on non-indicative of anything. That, coupled with the fact that a large amount of town are scumreading him now, makes me want to reconsider.

In the meantime, I'll put my vote somewhere I know it belongs. VOTE: dramonic. I get that he's a better vig target, but he's the only person I consider obvscum right now, so that's where I'm gonna park while I finish up some projects over the next two days.