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In post 2794, House wrote:Show me one chaotic play I've made as scum since 2016. One.

i really don't care about this argument because just because it hasn't happened yet (and apparently you didn't even have many opportunities for it to happen) doesn't mean it cannot happen

there is absolutely no logic that holds up this argument

In post 2797, Andresvmb wrote:Where did I even try to argue that you did this? Please point it out.

I FUCKING SAVED IV ON D1 AND YOUR BUDDY LAP GOT LIMMED.

In post 2801, House wrote:

In post 2797, Andresvmb wrote:Where did I even try to argue that you did this? Please point it out.

I FUCKING SAVED IV ON D1 AND YOUR BUDDY LAP GOT LIMMED.

YOU’RE NOT FUCKING READING. I have not even attempted to make the case that you’re actually Scum. I’m absolutely bashing your shit argument that meta should totally exclude you from being considered Scum here. I totally agree that your objective play, making a claim as Mason that protected IV and ultimately helped usher in Laplacian’s execution, and then claiming to be Vig so that you could hide the true Vigilante, are very unlikely to come from Scum. Where did I say otherwise? You’re getting all annoyed because one argument you’re putting forth is being challenged as garbage, which it is, and you’re not actually reading what I’m writing.

yeah, this argument has basically been

andres: i think it's unlikely house is scum
house: HOW DARE YOU NOT LOCKTOWN ME

In post 2799, Andresvmb wrote:

In post 2796, House wrote:

In post 2794, House wrote:

In post 2791, Datisi wrote:how many games have you been in since getting back, house? it would take me 5 minutes to read one (1) page of an iso of a game i'm not familiar with, assuming i skim over large posts. i don't know how much of a fast reader andres is, but the claim that something like that can be verified in "5 minutes" is laughable.

How many large* posts have I ever made?

I make a lot of posts, but I wouldn't say I make any large ones.

Show me one chaotic play I've made as scum since 2016. One.

I’m NOT going to look through your games since 2016. Who has the time? What kind of ridiculous argument is this?

Show me one game I placed a tepid vote on a Scum Partner since I started playing mafia multiple years ago. One.

Further proof that Andres has zero interest in actually solving the game, as even a cursory glimpse would show that I have, like, around a page of games since 2016? Probably less?

That's right, nothing at all from 2017-2020.

Keep on pushing that scum agenda, Andres.

In post 2803, Datisi wrote:yeah, this argument has basically been

andres: i think it's unlikely house is scum
house: HOW DARE YOU NOT LOCKTOWN ME

So am I clever scum or dumb scum?

This is beyond absurd. I have zero interest in solving the game because I won’t read every game you’ve been in since 2016? Never mind that even if I actually did want to engage in the torture of reading every game you’ve been involved in, regardless of how many games they are, I couldn’t make definitive statements about your meta because we haven’t played enough together and you, by your own admission, have a limited universe of games to begin with.

In post 2806, Andresvmb wrote:This is beyond absurd. I have zero interest in solving the game because I won’t read every game you’ve been in since 2016? Never mind that even if I actually did want to engage in the torture of reading every game you’ve been involved in, regardless of how many games they are, I couldn’t make definitive statements about your meta because we haven’t played enough together and you, by your own admission, have a limited universe of games to begin with.

Too many, or not enough?

Stay married to that agenda, though!

Some House scum games if you feel like doing reading:


DoaR - Large Theme Large Theme Multiball
Frogs "I hardclaim Masons with Dwlee99"
Radio Buzz Five Post Rep Out
Mini Normal Closest to Applicable here I guess? Mathblade reps into his slot.
The Neighborhood Cult Leader Game


It's a bit of an exaggeration to say it's a five minute read but he does feel different from his other scum games in that I don't really think he goes out of his way to make big-brain plays when he's scum? I did just skim a bit so feel free to do your own work and let me know if I am wrong.

In post 2807, House wrote:

In post 2806, Andresvmb wrote:This is beyond absurd. I have zero interest in solving the game because I won’t read every game you’ve been in since 2016? Never mind that even if I actually did want to engage in the torture of reading every game you’ve been involved in, regardless of how many games they are, I couldn’t make definitive statements about your meta because we haven’t played enough together and you, by your own admission, have a limited universe of games to begin with.

Too many, or not enough?

Stay married to that agenda, though!

Why are you so fucking obtuse? You’ve played in more than 2 games I take it since 2016? Okay, I don’t have time to read more than 2 games to make an individual call about one slot in one game. I don’t sufficiently care to do that, have never done that, and I’m not starting now. How many games do you think it would take for folks to actually make broad claims about your meta? Probably more than 5, and perhaps closer to 10, no? If you don’t even have that many games as Scum, this conversation is pointless. And your way of arguing is ridiculous.

In post 2808, Aristeia wrote:"I hardclaim Masons with Dwlee99"

Considering my other claims, pretty sure that was a joke instead of a Gambit.

In post 2810, House wrote:

In post 2808, Aristeia wrote:"I hardclaim Masons with Dwlee99"

Considering my other claims, pretty sure that was a joke instead of a Gambit.

yes I know it is a joke I'm not that dumb. I added it to make people want to read it.

You should recognize though that making claims like "My meta is obvious and I am obviously town" has a tendency to tilt people off the planet. ~_~

Andres doesn't have as much time as some other people here and I'd rather have him spend his time here in a more productive manner than shouting with you about your "meta".

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12462559

I have probably sworn off makign broad claims about anyone’s meta after this game and this bitter fight with Noraa. Go ahead, read it. Tell me I have never done what I’m doing now or that my claims are all baseless.

In post 2761, Andresvmb wrote:@Math, is 2752 acceptable from your perspective? You’ve shaded Aristeia and Datisi aggressively for doubting your alignment today. What do you make of this?

Yes.

I have had to argue a lot to get to the accurate PoE.

Vibes (if genuine) may be incorrect but until actually quantified with a reason I know they’re wrong but nothing I can action.

My best guess is that this is residual blowback from not liking the PoE.

The other thing I can guess has people ticked is me not actually voting.

I suspect we likely end up miselimming here (much as I don’t want to I keep waffling in the PoE hard) and will be happily surprised if we hit scum. But my staying out of the conversation it becomes clear that the miselim will be scum driven then they will stick out to me based on who since the PoE is so tiny.

Basically I am forcing a bus or die dilemma for scum. And I wanna see what happens, so I am being a bit manipulative.

In post 2812, Aristeia wrote:You should recognize though that making claims like "My meta is obvious and I am obviously town" has a tendency to tilt people off the planet. ~_~

Which goes nicely with my town play.

Any townies stupid enough to vote Ari after the amount of work she's put into solving deserves a fucking loss, IMHO.

Mainly people have argued my reads are shit all game and I can’t read people
So fine floor is yours. Be the better reader and hit scum. My PoE was accurate and if you’re town get us a touchdown.

I've already stated my scumreads.

If we hit scum hooray we are down to one, easier to find buddy then.
If we hit town I can compare it against the resistance to this PoE on D2 and compare manipulation strategies.
So then win win.

I'm not a meta junkie, anybody that knows me at all knows that.

Andres is, but it's actively ignoring mine because he knows it undermines any attempt he could possibly make at scumreading me, and trying to justify it by telling me to read HIS meta when that's not a tool I use except in very limited circumstances on very few players.

In post 2818, House wrote:I've already stated my scumreads.

Correct. Reads also evolve. Waiting until the final flip of whoever gets flipped. I also know your read of me is wrong lmao. You aren’t seriously arguing I am scum here despite arguing the correct PoE all game are you?

In post 2820, House wrote:I'm not a meta junkie, anybody that knows me at all knows that.

Andres is, but it's actively ignoring mine because he knows it undermines any attempt he could possibly make at scumreading me, and trying to justify it by telling me to read HIS meta when that's not a tool I use except in very limited circumstances on very few players.

I am not talking meta I am talking strategy.

Whoever is scum is a cornered wolf. Based on that they do desperate things.
Can compare the strategies and find which are the same

In post 2821, MathBlade wrote:despite arguing the correct PoE all game

In post 1991, catboi wrote:skitter30 (6): ... MathBlade ...

In post 2821, MathBlade wrote:

In post 2818, House wrote:I've already stated my scumreads.

Correct. Reads also evolve. Waiting until the final flip of whoever gets flipped. I also know your read of me is wrong lmao. You aren’t seriously arguing I am scum here despite arguing the correct PoE all game are you?

Yes, because you're completely ignoring the likelihood of VP being roleblocked when he telegraphed being PR in his last post of d1 and leaning WAY TOO HARD on a result that may not even exist INSTEAD OF YOUR ACTUAL PLAY.