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Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 12:23 pm
by bloodhail
In post 409, skitter30 wrote: In post 406, Datisi wrote:so i'm left with me/mena/skitt/ari and one of std or irrel?
I'm still on the fence with u and ari but i'm also wondering if i should Get Over It
But otherwise i dont hate this
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I kinda think scum is in fire, mala, nk15
Which kinda makes me think i have to include one of ari/dats
In post 529, skitter30 wrote: In post 420, Menalque wrote: In post 409, skitter30 wrote:I kinda think scum is in fire, mala, nk15
Which kinda makes me think i have to include one of ari/dats
would like greater explanation of this please
Which bit? I see no strong reason to townread fire/mala/nk15. That's 3 players, with 6 remaining. If i exclude those 3 i need to include one of ari/dats to get to 5
(And my current coalition i think is exactly pl - fire/mala/nk15 - ari/dats)
In post 531, skitter30 wrote:
Logic checks out. I like
432 a lot actually
And i'm kinda liking dats' posts from today too. I suppose out of fire/mala/nk15/ari/dats i would probably feel the most comfortable with dats in the coalition
In post 575, skitter30 wrote: In post 562, Irrelephant11 wrote:My wife sprained her ankle today so I'll be taking care of the kids more this week so I'll be posting less, @everyone
oh no i hope she's OK!!!
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also i'm kinda liking fire more now idk
i'm worried i'm townreading someone i shouldn't be
In post 586, Aristeia wrote:mb fire's just right i dunno now :<
i'll be happy to sheep whatever you decide to skitter <3
brain feel mushy
also would prefer we get a decision in b4 we get 3 days on the clock.
In post 587, skitter30 wrote:pedit my brain is mushy too >.>
i think rn i'm healing me/irrel/mena std and am thinking abt adding dats
is there anyone who should be there that isn't / do you strongly oppose to any of these?
In post 589, Aristeia wrote: In post 587, skitter30 wrote:is there anyone who should be there that isn't / do you strongly oppose to any of these?
I don't have any objections to that.
I think you probably have a better read on mena than I do.
In post 594, skitter30 wrote:no? i mean i have a lot of respect for your scumgame but that's also not what i said
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wrt ari: i'm feeling very wary of her, both for the early game + generally her scumgame is scary + i haven't seen anything that i think is out of her range / makes me strongly think town
and i'm probably going to get to a faster/more comfortable townread on dats than ari in this timeframe
it's worth considering that in an ari-scum world, the only chance skitter has of forming a pure coalition is in adding fire, because mala/nk15 were never getting added, and i think given thread temperature at the time people were generally cold on fire and std - i don't think the offer to sheep is a particularly risky one if mafia because the chances of skitter making a pure coalition and having it pass are very low. as such it isn't clearing in my eyes
Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 12:28 pm
by fireisredsir
hmm ok, i did feel like skitter was warming on me but it's a good point that even if she does get there, it might not make it to 5 votes from others with me/std in
it still seems... unnecessary to me? but maybe she would be bold
Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 12:32 pm
by Aristeia
I wouldn't support her adding either fire or std
I would've been fine with NK15 but she was not going to add him
Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 12:32 pm
by Aristeia
I meant fire or mala not fire or std
Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 12:33 pm
by Aristeia
there's nothing really bold about it if I'm mafia? It'd just be betting that skitter would not add nk15 to her coalition of 4.
Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 12:47 pm
by fireisredsir
well i was assuming that if you said you would sheep whatever she decided that you would do that, and she at the time had skitt/irrel/std/mena and was looking for a 5th
Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 12:51 pm
by Aristeia
fire when you e-1'd the coalition, what did you think the scum team was?
Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 1:29 pm
by fireisredsir
i hoped it was nk/mala
my heart thought it was irrel/std
i also thought std was possibly paired with nk or mala idr which one or maybe both, but that was less likely to me
Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 1:40 pm
by Aristeia
In post 1018, skitter30 wrote:Ahhhh that's a very difficult question
I dont feel confident enuf to be sheeped
At the same time i dislike relinquishing the decision
This is unhelpful, i know >.>
I'm at me/irrel/mena/std
I dont want mala in
I'm surprisingly ok with fire rn
Nk is probably (?) town but i dont really want them in anyways
And then i guess i kinda vibe with fire's point that if ari is scum its probably with someone in the consensus coalition anyways, so i'm no longer entirely opposed
I guess i dont object to putting ari in but i'd want her to go in with dats, and i want the condition to be that if its elo and she hasnt found all the scum, she gets flipped
Otherwise i probably want dats in
This is a lot of words to say i guess my ideal coalitions are:
Me/mena/irrel/std/dats or me/mena/irrel/dats/ari or
If i try to put in fire i want to bump mena which is surprising to me
when skitter says this
why don't you try to get into the coalition?
Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 1:43 pm
by Aristeia
also can you show me when you decided NK15 = scum?
because skimming your iso with Nk15 in F5 shows only mentions of him being town prior to coalition failure
Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 1:46 pm
by fireisredsir
idk what this means?
i wanted to be in the coalition by people thinking i was town enough to be in the coalition and i think i tried to scumhunt solve which imo showed my towniness
im not sure what you would expect me to do, ask skitter "pretty please put me in your coalition"?
Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 1:49 pm
by Aristeia
i mean she says she has 4 names she wants...
if you think those 4 names are good, why don't you ask her to make you the fifth?
Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 1:53 pm
by fireisredsir
In post 2809, Aristeia wrote:also can you show me when you decided NK15 = scum?
because skimming your iso with Nk15 in F5 shows only mentions of him being town prior to coalition failure
i am not really sure if it showed up in thread, and i don't think i would say that i had him as scum, just that nk/mala as the team was the highest hope i had for the coalition to succeed. and enough people were sus there that i felt reasonably ok with hoping they were right
i do have a bad habit of just using nk which is hard to search for, but i looked and i don't think i talked about him v much cause there wasn't much point to expressing thoughts on him since he wasn't getting put in at that point
Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 1:54 pm
by fireisredsir
In post 2811, Aristeia wrote:i mean she says she has 4 names she wants...
if you think those 4 names are good, why don't you ask her to make you the fifth?
i just cannot fathom doing this tbh
thats just not me
i hoped she would but im not gonna ask for it
Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 2:01 pm
by fireisredsir
In post 980, fireisredsir wrote:ok yea i want skitter/datisi/ari/menalque
fine with whoever is consensus of me/irrel/std in the last spot
i guess i did say this which is prob the closest you're ever gonna get
Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 2:02 pm
by fireisredsir
In post 2814, fireisredsir wrote: In post 980, fireisredsir wrote:ok yea i want skitter/datisi/ari/menalque
fine with whoever is consensus of me/irrel/std in the last spot
In post 1078, fireisredsir wrote:
i am ok with this, like ideal world for me would have me in for one of irrel/std and maaaaybe mena for the other one but eh its ok
i guess i did say this which is prob the closest you're ever gonna get
quote fix
Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 2:09 pm
by Aristeia
Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 2:13 pm
by fireisredsir
no, at that point i think the solve is irrel/std, but i don't really trust my own reads enough to push for that very hard.
i was relatively confident in my townreads of skitter/dats/mena, slightly leaning town on you + thinking if you were scum it was with one of those three. so nk/mala is also left as a p viable solve
and the 5th like yea i want it to be me but if most people think that irrel or std are townier than me then im find with compromising
Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 2:18 pm
by fireisredsir
like idk why you expect i should have a progression on nk15 at that time? nothing i say about him is going to have any impact on what coalition gets formed. if it fails with him outside, we're not focusing him yet anyway. if it succeeds with him outside, yay we win. ig i could be partner hunting, which i did do some of, but there wasn't a lot of point in talking about it in thread, i just had my own notes
my goal in coalition phase isn't really scumhunting anyway unless i have a scumread on someone who is widely townread. this is like the same thing we talked about earlier where you were confused about my irrel push and me saying that i wanted to focus on him due to him being townread
Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 2:20 pm
by fireisredsir
displaying a progression on nk15 would be strictly performative and so i probably would have made more effort to have one as scum actually, so this is a towncase tbh
Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 2:20 pm
by Aristeia
In post 2818, fireisredsir wrote:like idk why you expect i should have a progression on nk15 at that time? nothing i say about him is going to have any impact on what coalition gets formed. if it fails with him outside, we're not focusing him yet anyway. if it succeeds with him outside, yay we win. ig i could be partner hunting, which i did do some of, but there wasn't a lot of point in talking about it in thread, i just had my own notes
my goal in coalition phase isn't really scumhunting anyway unless i have a scumread on someone who is widely townread. this is like the same thing we talked about earlier where you were confused about my irrel push and me saying that i wanted to focus on him due to him being townread
It's not about a progression it's that your statement here:
In post 980, fireisredsir wrote:ok yea i want skitter/datisi/ari/menalque
fine with whoever is consensus of me/irrel/std in the last spot
implies you believe mala+nk15 is the solve
but nothing in your iso indicates you were even scumreading or scumleaning NK15.
Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 2:22 pm
by Aristeia
In post 2817, fireisredsir wrote:no, at that point i think the solve is irrel/std, but i don't really trust my own reads enough to push for that very hard.
I have a very hard time believing that you think the solve is irrel/std and you would write this in the thread:
In post 980, fireisredsir wrote:ok yea i want skitter/datisi/ari/menalque
fine with whoever is consensus of me/irrel/std in the last spot
Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 2:24 pm
by fireisredsir
i don't know what to tell you then, bc i would
im not really the type of player or person to push hard for my own reads, i prefer to compromise, especially currently after ive had a run of games where my reads were significantly below average
Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 2:32 pm
by Aristeia
it's not a matter of compromising on your reads?
if you think irrel/std is the solve, why wouldn't you want yourself to be put in coalition instead of them?
Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 2:35 pm
by fireisredsir
i did want myself in over them, i feel like that was extremely obvious and didn't need to be stated? i was just saying that if consensus finds them to be townier than me im not gonna throw a fit about it
