Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

[Wisdom]

We don't need him to claim.

[shos]

ok.
so how do we proceed then? looks like you're not going to be convinced anywhere away from your cephrir vote, and it doesn't look like you're trying to convince anyone.

[Wisdom]

We proceed by lynching Ceph

[shos]

We proceed by lynching Ceph

[Wisdom]

What convincing do you guys need? The sole fact people have been calling him scummy left and right yet nobody is voting him is enough. He is flipping scum.

[shos]

that reason is practically the ONLY reason I can see for him to not be town. and even that - you don't base a scumread in someone because of others' posts.

[Wisdom]

Except that's not the only reason. The simplest reason is he has done absolutely nothing town. Every other player has done things that I can call town. Ceph? Nothing.

[shos]

he's done enough in the first half of the game to get me to townread on him.

[Wisdom]

Such as?

[shos]

I don't remember, that was a month ago, I just remember townreading him, and not having anything to scumread him for.

[shos]

I don't remember, that was a month ago, I just remember townreading him, and not having anything to scumread him for.

this should be:
1. remember townreading him
2. *now* I don't have anything to scumread him for.

...not "I remember not having anything.."

[Wisdom]

He has done nothing other than making town-appearing posts. I can make them too as scum.

[TierShift]

I think I may be on to something here. Let me know if I'm missing something important.

Grey claimed an inno on NS. And not just a random one, a confirmable one, namely that he had no action. I think it's a very, very bold assumption for scum to make that a hated player has no night action. Look at my role in the previous setup, it had multiple aspects. I don't feel like a simple hated townie would have fit in the previous setup and making the gamble looks like a dangerous thing for almost no reward.

Spoiler: previous setup, for reference

cabd- mailman

who- scum 1-shot bp miller?

[Ceph claimed miller, Katsuki flipped miller]

reck- informed townie
ceph- sui 2shot reflex doc
copp- flavor conditional cop

[Bins flipped conditional cop]

ts- macho framing bg
rhinox- limited rolecop
t-bone- flavor cop who could tell if someone killed
ns- roleblocker/roleblocker bomb

[Tbone claimed Roleblocker]

icerink- tracker

[There has been an amnesiac track result]

lld- sanity not-guaranteed cop
kats- JOAT (A bunch of investigative roles) who had to declare their target during the day
shos- lurker-doublevoter

[Cabd has a similar role]

Italics mine. Look at all the similarities

So that means:
1. Grey is not lying about his role and is likely town and so is NS
Or
2. Grey is lying about his role, is scum and does know NS has no action
Leading to
2.1 Scum have an investigative action and investigated a hated claim
2.2 Scum have knowledge of NS's role, meaning grey and NS are scum together.

Of these options, 2.1 does not look like a likely one. It has two things that are wrong with it.
1. Scum need an investigative role for it to even work
2. Scum would not investigate a hated player simply because he's more likely not to have another ability than another random person. A hated townie

is

still a role and a VT is definitely not in this game, by the looks of it.

1 and 2.2 are the only ones that make real sense to me, meaning that

Grey and NS share alignment.

I'm yet to think how this influences my view NS's skepticism towards Grey's claim and my view of T-bone calling grey's claim easy and non-revealing.

I'm thinking there might be a logical fallacy somewhere but I can't spot it

[TierShift]

Now that I think of it, T-bone's notion that Grey's claim is non-revealing is ridiculous.

[Wisdom]

Both town seems the most likely to me. Grey had no reason to claim an inno on ns-scumbuddy in these circumstances, neither of them were in danger. Doing it as tired town just because someone is expressing suspicion on ns feels more realistic.

[TierShift]

Let me summarise:
For NStown-GREYscum:
1. Scum must have gambled based on a hated claim
OR
2. Scum must have investigates a hated claim

For NSscum-GREYtown
1. NS must have no night actions nor access to the factional abilities
2. Be a wonky GF

I would like NS to respond to this, most of all.

[TierShift]

Yeah wis but grey didn't have anything to lose either

[TierShift]

The immediate discredit from scumT-bone makes so much sebse if they're both town

[TierShift]

I don't really feel like it's Iece at this point

I don't feel like rereading

I want to lynch T-bone

[Wisdom]

They're both town, and so is tbone

[TierShift]

What's the VC at?

[Wisdom]

T-Bone (2): GreyICE, notscience
GreyICE (2): shos, T-Bone
Cephrir (2): Wisdom, xRECKONERx

Not Voting (3): Cephrir, Iecerint, TierShift

ns = shos and shos = ns

[xRECKONERx]

should we ask the tracker to claim? if no such claim comes - it confirms T-bone as scum...but on the other hand, if it does come - it's a claimed PR :/

uh or the tracker doesn't claim because there isn't one and T-Bone is telling the truth and got fucked w/ by scum

T-Bone can you claim your results again

[xRECKONERx]

I think it's a very, very bold assumption for scum to make that a hated player has no night action.

I think

this

is a very, very bold assumption.

I'm going to assume Grey is town for now though.

[Wisdom]

How can scum give tbone a fake track result?