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Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:17 am
by Alchemist21
Oh.
I don’t think that changes much other than having to include the possibility Farkran poisons themself when they poison their target. There’s also the chance Chemist is able to inflict Status ailments back at the people who hit him with one. There’s something screwy between those 2 and in all likelihood I think Chemist is the source of that screwiness.
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:28 am
by Kerset
Yea status reflection sounds likely. Regardless it is still easier to prove that chemist lied about his role rather then solve gamma, who claimed ascetic.
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:40 am
by Farkran
The problem about going for chemist first is that if we're wrong, we cannot stop gamma. He claimed ascetic and rolestopper, meaning we cannot block him and he can bypass protection
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:18 am
by Gamma Emerald
In post 2807, Farkran wrote: In post 2796, Gamma Emerald wrote:It says everything except kills
And like you’re going to have explain how you have it narrowed down to those three because I don’t think it’s either Bitmap or Chemist and I know it’s not me
By the way, since you asked:
TL is a neighborizer, can't believe he can bypass bitmap protection alone.
Suji is a vig, no counterclaim. There have been 2 kills so he's either a true vig or sk, but we don't care for sk right now
Alchemist was charmed by kerset, cannot bypass bitmap protection alone
Kerset is a charmer, he could have killed RC but it doesn't make sense for the scum team to have access to charm. I explained why multiple times
Bitmap claimed bg as a counterclaim to pops
So there are only me, chemist, and gamma left.
I know i am not, and if you believe i would have bussed twice in d1 and d2, i don't know what to tell you. I literally singlehandedly led the bus against salamence when i had no reason to.
Therefore, either one out of chemist and gamma are lying, or bitmap is lying about being a bg and it was a plan orchestrated by him and pops to gain pseudo-conftown status by counterclaiming each other. I don't think this is the case, but it's the only other possibility to gamma and chemist.
There are not enough mislynches to get everyone, so let's not throw the game and lynch gamma and chemist please.
PLEASE explain how NEIGHBORIZER equals UNABLE TO BYPASS PROTECTION
Like you seem to be assuming that a) the Neighborizer is the only aspect to his role and b) that it somehow clears him. Idk if that’s actually what you’re doing but it seems like it
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:19 am
by Gamma Emerald
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:45 am
by Kerset
Idk I want to see credibility of this criterion.
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:48 am
by Gamma Emerald
That’s fair then.
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:02 am
by Farkran
In post 2828, Gamma Emerald wrote:
PLEASE explain how NEIGHBORIZER equals UNABLE TO BYPASS PROTECTION
Like you seem to be assuming that a) the Neighborizer is the only aspect to his role and b) that it somehow clears him. Idk if that’s actually what you’re doing but it seems like it
He fullclaimed in the neighborhood, and one of his other powers is confirmed.
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:07 am
by Gamma Emerald
Okay, what is his confirmed power? If you’re asserting that a group DEFINITELY has a liar when you don’t know all the information regarding someone outside that group, you’re making a massive logical leap. We also don’t have Alchemist’s claim so how are you certain he’s not involved?
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:16 am
by Farkran
Alchemist was charmed, and we know who charmed him. They can't both be lying because there's only one scum left, so the CHARMED claim must be true. The CHARMER claim has not been counterclaimed, so i assume that is also true.
TL is a confirmed neighborizer, and has confirmed one of his other powers which is not related to bypassing protective roles. Aside from those two abilities, he also claimed more, and i am inclined to believe him, even if he is doubting me for whatever reason.
I see no reason to doubt suji is a killing role since we had two kills this night.
Kerset is the charmer and has confirmed another of his powers. He could bypass bitmap's protection with his charm, but 1. He charmed alchemist, 2. Bitmap didn't claim charmed. Plus, as i said, if scum had access to charm mechanics, they wouldn't have claimed stunned.
Once again, the liar must be found in you, chemist or bitmap. There are no alternatives.
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:48 am
by Gamma Emerald
Actually, why did you say Bitmap was throwing if he’s in your effective PoE?
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:50 am
by Farkran
Because i don't think he is scum, currently. But if both you and chemist flip green, i can only PoE on bitmap.
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:09 am
by Kerset
Prod time for chemist, suji and torque
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:10 am
by Farkran
Oh crap, we have been wrong all along. The third scum is torque.
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:11 am
by Farkran
I mean, he's the backup mod, it's pretty obvious he can bypass player protections
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:26 pm
by Bitmap
UNVOTE:
Need to re-read.
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:37 pm
by Bitmap
How do you know stun mechanics again?
In post 2809, Farkran wrote:
Also bitmap wtf are you saying, the mp boost was real. Look at salamence flipped rolepm.
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Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:38 pm
by Bitmap
Fark, you insinuating that I have to be PoE scum doesn't make me have good vibes.
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:48 pm
by Farkran
Stun is one of the statuses i can inflict on my vote, but it has the least chance to be applied because it's also the most powerful.
Poison is the least powerful and the most likely to apply, and that's how i poisoned chemist d2. If you check the d1 VCs (or my iso), chemist was the second-to-last vote i made before switching to pops.
By comparison, stun is applied 10% of the time whereas poison is applied 80% of the time.
Aren't you informed of my fullclaim though?
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:49 pm
by Bitmap
Yes, but it's a bit hazy.
Didn't Sala get stunned? How did he have 3 votes?
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:51 pm
by Farkran
I never stunned salamence. He lied.
I never stunned anyone.
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:52 pm
by Bitmap
Wait so he targeted you with his rolecop then?
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:56 pm
by Farkran
He didn't rolecop anyone because he didn't have enough mp to use his magia
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:06 pm
by Bitmap
Why would he lie about getting stunned like wtf???
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:07 pm
by Bitmap
Was this a great bus or is Sala a dumbass?