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In post 2820, Zantetsu wrote:Alchemist, all this stuff has been going on and that's what you choose to respond to?

Can you provide any help or are you just going to stick on quick like you stuck on Peter?

I’m not stuck on him. I’m not even voting right now because I don’t want the day to end prematurely. I’ll go Popo if that’s where you and Churros want to go. This recent stuff hasn’t been particularly useful in solving the game to me.

In post 2825, Alchemist21 wrote:

In post 2820, Zantetsu wrote:Alchemist, all this stuff has been going on and that's what you choose to respond to?

Can you provide any help or are you just going to stick on quick like you stuck on Peter?

I’m not stuck on him. I’m not even voting right now because I don’t want the day to end prematurely. I’ll go Popo if that’s where you and Churros want to go. This recent stuff hasn’t been particularly useful in solving the game to me.

Fair enough. I assume if you had any ideas of what we could do to solve the game you'd have stated them already.

I agree I am efforting all I can and I can't get loser to certainty. Probably not worth the effort any more.

ebwop

loser to certainty -> closer to certainty

In post 2826, Zantetsu wrote:

In post 2825, Alchemist21 wrote:

In post 2820, Zantetsu wrote:Alchemist, all this stuff has been going on and that's what you choose to respond to?

Can you provide any help or are you just going to stick on quick like you stuck on Peter?

I’m not stuck on him. I’m not even voting right now because I don’t want the day to end prematurely. I’ll go Popo if that’s where you and Churros want to go. This recent stuff hasn’t been particularly useful in solving the game to me.

Fair enough. I assume if you had any ideas of what we could do to solve the game you'd have stated them already.

I agree I am efforting all I can and I can't get loser to certainty. Probably not worth the effort any more.

Let's just lynch Norwegian because they look terrible?

Out of a pool of Nero,Norwe, Saudade, Fire, Quick, and Popo, Nero is the only one I feel completely confident in taking out of that pool right now.

I’m thinking about Zan’s suggestion that scum are going to be more protective of their roleblocker here. Without considering the rb’s existence I think this is a point where scum would start distancing and maybe even creating false associations with each other. With all the claims now out, scum rb’s only real utility is shutting down any gambit attempts from a JK or if they really want Churros dead before us. I don’t know that scum would be considering the gambit too much to see their roleblocker as useful enough to not bus here, and telling them that you’re looking for any special resistance can help scum set up false associatives with a Townie in the lynch pool.

In post 2826, Zantetsu wrote:

In post 2825, Alchemist21 wrote:

In post 2820, Zantetsu wrote:Alchemist, all this stuff has been going on and that's what you choose to respond to?

Can you provide any help or are you just going to stick on quick like you stuck on Peter?

I’m not stuck on him. I’m not even voting right now because I don’t want the day to end prematurely. I’ll go Popo if that’s where you and Churros want to go. This recent stuff hasn’t been particularly useful in solving the game to me.

Fair enough. I assume if you had any ideas of what we could do to solve the game you'd have stated them already.

I agree I am efforting all I can and I can't get loser to certainty. Probably not worth the effort any more.

It probably is a personal problem for me. I tend to see a lot of things as NAI and sometimes go long periods without having any useful progression in my reads.

I’ve been thinking for a while actually about how Norwe fits in with Profii. There was a post where Norwe called out all of Saudade/Profii/Me as being annoyingly minimalistic and it made me wonder if scum would include a partner in that list. He was voting Profii at then time and voted me after. I need to check again to see if he voted Saudade. If he was equally treating all our slots then I can rule out both of those partnerships.

In post 2829, Alchemist21 wrote:Out of a pool of Nero,Norwe, Saudade, Fire, Quick, and Popo, Nero is the only one I feel completely confident in taking out of that pool right now.

I’m thinking about Zan’s suggestion that scum are going to be more protective of their roleblocker here. Without considering the rb’s existence I think this is a point where scum would start distancing and maybe even creating false associations with each other. With all the claims now out, scum rb’s only real utility is shutting down any gambit attempts from a JK or if they really want Churros dead before us. I don’t know that scum would be considering the gambit too much to see their roleblocker as useful enough to not bus here, and telling them that you’re looking for any special resistance can help scum set up false associatives with a Townie in the lynch pool.

Scum already started distancing like 20 pages ago.

In post 2830, Alchemist21 wrote:

In post 2826, Zantetsu wrote:

In post 2825, Alchemist21 wrote:

In post 2820, Zantetsu wrote:Alchemist, all this stuff has been going on and that's what you choose to respond to?

Can you provide any help or are you just going to stick on quick like you stuck on Peter?

I’m not stuck on him. I’m not even voting right now because I don’t want the day to end prematurely. I’ll go Popo if that’s where you and Churros want to go. This recent stuff hasn’t been particularly useful in solving the game to me.

Fair enough. I assume if you had any ideas of what we could do to solve the game you'd have stated them already.

I agree I am efforting all I can and I can't get loser to certainty. Probably not worth the effort any more.

It probably is a personal problem for me. I tend to see a lot of things as NAI and sometimes go long periods without having any useful progression in my reads.

I’ve been thinking for a while actually about how Norwe fits in with Profii. There was a post where Norwe called out all of Saudade/Profii/Me as being annoyingly minimalistic and it made me wonder if scum would include a partner in that list. He was voting Profii at then time and voted me after. I need to check again to see if he voted Saudade. If he was equally treating all our slots then I can rule out both of those partnerships.

Yeah, I could probably be teamed with Norway as well. I don't think I am ever Scum with FB though.

In post 2829, Alchemist21 wrote:With all the claims now out, scum rb’s only real utility is shutting down any gambit attempts from a JK or if they really want Churros dead before us

The only power town has left is in you and me. You have I both have the potential to disrupt a NK and also to get a soft guilty by jailkeeping the scum committing an NK. When the number of scum goes down, our power becomes ever greater. Your role is slighly more powerful than mine in that the targets you can choose to disrupt scum with his higher - you can target town or scum to disrupt scum, I can only target scum.

Do you agree?

In post 2831, Quick wrote:Scum already started distancing like 20 pages ago.

Show us.

Ok yeah Norwe voted Saudade for a bit before voting me. So Norwe is Town unless the team is exactly Fire, Popo, and Norwe.

Ugh.

Like 1,700 or so.

In post 2835, Alchemist21 wrote:Ok yeah Norwe voted Saudade for a bit before voting me. So Norwe is Town unless the team is exactly Fire, Popo, and Norwe.

I don't get it. Can you walk me through that? Sorry to be so dense.

In post 2835, Alchemist21 wrote:Ok yeah Norwe voted Saudade for a bit before voting me. So Norwe is Town unless the team is exactly Fire, Popo, and Norwe.

I don't really see a popo/Norwegian team here.

In post 2838, Quick wrote:

In post 2835, Alchemist21 wrote:Ok yeah Norwe voted Saudade for a bit before voting me. So Norwe is Town unless the team is exactly Fire, Popo, and Norwe.

I don't really see a popo/Norwegian team here.

I explained it 55 ways to Sunday and I don't really care about statements made with no backing evidence of any kind.

In post 2833, Zantetsu wrote:

In post 2829, Alchemist21 wrote:With all the claims now out, scum rb’s only real utility is shutting down any gambit attempts from a JK or if they really want Churros dead before us

The only power town has left is in you and me. You have I both have the potential to disrupt a NK and also to get a soft guilty by jailkeeping the scum committing an NK. When the number of scum goes down, our power becomes ever greater. Your role is slighly more powerful than mine in that the targets you can choose to disrupt scum with his higher - you can target town or scum to disrupt scum, I can only target scum.

Do you agree?

That’s true. I keep thinking you’re also Jailkeeper and seeing our utility as almost strictly keeping the Mason alive longer. And because of the Odd/Even Night stuff I was expecting the kill order to be me, you, Churros.

But here I am being baited into going nowhere again.

I honestly just think it's FB/Norwegian/Nero, but Saudade does literally nothing so they could be Scum with any of them.

In post 2839, Zantetsu wrote:

In post 2838, Quick wrote:

In post 2835, Alchemist21 wrote:Ok yeah Norwe voted Saudade for a bit before voting me. So Norwe is Town unless the team is exactly Fire, Popo, and Norwe.

I don't really see a popo/Norwegian team here.

I explained it 55 ways to Sunday and I don't really care about statements made with no backing evidence of any kind.

When I am right post game, then you can care what I say, how about that?

In post 2837, Zantetsu wrote:

In post 2835, Alchemist21 wrote:Ok yeah Norwe voted Saudade for a bit before voting me. So Norwe is Town unless the team is exactly Fire, Popo, and Norwe.

I don't get it. Can you walk me through that? Sorry to be so dense.

NorwegianboyEE treated all of Profi, Saudade, and myself in the same way. Before that they were on Profii and asking others to lynch Profii as well iirc, and I don’t think Saudade and I get the same treatment from Norwe if Norwe is scum with Saudade. We both got voted because Norwe didn’t like our responseS to the callout.

In post 2840, Alchemist21 wrote:

In post 2833, Zantetsu wrote:

In post 2829, Alchemist21 wrote:With all the claims now out, scum rb’s only real utility is shutting down any gambit attempts from a JK or if they really want Churros dead before us

The only power town has left is in you and me. You have I both have the potential to disrupt a NK and also to get a soft guilty by jailkeeping the scum committing an NK. When the number of scum goes down, our power becomes ever greater. Your role is slighly more powerful than mine in that the targets you can choose to disrupt scum with his higher - you can target town or scum to disrupt scum, I can only target scum.

Do you agree?

That’s true. I keep thinking you’re also Jailkeeper and seeing our utility as almost strictly keeping the Mason alive longer. And because of the Odd/Even Night stuff I was expecting the kill order to be me, you, Churros.

That's why if scum have a roleblocker then if we lynch that slot we are golden. They have to target whichever of us is coming up with our power next night and they might miss because the one of us currently using our power could disrupt it. Especially for a night like tonight. If they have no rb because they never had one (townsided design) or we lynch it, then tonight you could protect me and they couldn't NK and tomorrow I could protect you so they couldn't NK you. And them knowing that means they might just target someone else, and us knowing that means we could also target someone else to disrupt that kill. It becomes WIFOM hell for them with the chance that we disrupt.

In post 2843, Quick wrote: When I am right post game, then you can care what I say, how about that?

I will care then even less.

Actually forget I said if they had no rb because they never had one. I got blocked so they definitely have one.

In post 2844, Alchemist21 wrote:

In post 2837, Zantetsu wrote:

In post 2835, Alchemist21 wrote:Ok yeah Norwe voted Saudade for a bit before voting me. So Norwe is Town unless the team is exactly Fire, Popo, and Norwe.

I don't get it. Can you walk me through that? Sorry to be so dense.

NorwegianboyEE treated all of Profi, Saudade, and myself in the same way. Before that they were on Profii and asking others to lynch Profii as well iirc, and I don’t think Saudade and I get the same treatment from Norwe if Norwe is scum with Saudade. We both got voted because Norwe didn’t like our responseS to the callout.

I'm going to have to chew on this for a while. I tend to think that scum is super sophisticated and will treat scum and town equally but maybe sometimes they don't.

In post 2845, Zantetsu wrote:

In post 2840, Alchemist21 wrote:

In post 2833, Zantetsu wrote:

In post 2829, Alchemist21 wrote:With all the claims now out, scum rb’s only real utility is shutting down any gambit attempts from a JK or if they really want Churros dead before us

The only power town has left is in you and me. You have I both have the potential to disrupt a NK and also to get a soft guilty by jailkeeping the scum committing an NK. When the number of scum goes down, our power becomes ever greater. Your role is slighly more powerful than mine in that the targets you can choose to disrupt scum with his higher - you can target town or scum to disrupt scum, I can only target scum.

Do you agree?

That’s true. I keep thinking you’re also Jailkeeper and seeing our utility as almost strictly keeping the Mason alive longer. And because of the Odd/Even Night stuff I was expecting the kill order to be me, you, Churros.

That's why if scum have a roleblocker then if we lynch that slot we are golden. They have to target whichever of us is coming up with our power next night and they might miss because the one of us currently using our power could disrupt it. Especially for a night like tonight. If they have no rb because they never had one (townsided design) or we lynch it, then tonight you could protect me and they couldn't NK and tomorrow I could protect you so they couldn't NK you. And them knowing that means they might just target someone else, and us knowing that means we could also target someone else to disrupt that kill. It becomes WIFOM hell for them with the chance that we disrupt.

You’re probably right. Why are you considering a world in which scum never had a roleblocker? Isn’t it confirmed they do at this point?

P-edit: Ok then.